The Bathroom Wall

With any tavern, one can expect that certain things that get said are out-of-place. But there is one place where almost any saying or scribble can find a home: the bathroom wall. This is where random thoughts and oddments that don’t follow the other entries at the Panda’s Thumb wind up. As with most bathroom walls, expect to sort through a lot of oyster guts before you locate any pearls of wisdom.

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There is a God!

And he is a plumber. The Bathroom has been flushed.

Thank you Reed.

Great!

Course, that still leaves what happens when the new plumbing acquires a big drip…

Wait, what am I saying?

Ingeborg Esbrandt said:

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Spammer alert!

To make one point about the previous thread. John Kwok wrote:

“Sorry Jim, but your invocation of the Ground Zero Mosque controversy is not helpful here. Incidentally there are many Muslims and Muslim Americans who oppose its construction, simply because they recognize that building it near Ground Zero is needlessly offensive to the families of the victims and the survivors of the 9/11 attack. Some of the most prominent critics - who are Muslim Americans - include Wall Street businessman Mansoor Ijaz (who tried to assist the Clinton administration in extraditing Osama bin Laden from the Sudan) and former United States Navy officer Dr. M. Zuhdi Jasser.

[…]

If you are going to call Miss USA, a Muslim American, Rima Fakih, a bigot, then be my guest. Same is true for those two prominent Muslim Americans I had mentioned. Or other Muslim Americans who, like them, have spoken out against building the “Cordoba House” Islamic Center (Of course I am also against it, but am definitely not a bigot.).”

Unless YOU are a practicing Muslim your opposition to this cultural center is pure bigotry, so your saying that you’re “definitely not a bigot” is false. Your ruse of hiding behind the Muslim-Americans’ backs is the same as of the racists who think that using the n-word is OK because so many African-Americans use it. If you are a Muslim, well then, I find your views on the issue just silly, not bigoted.

Kris,

You can’t possibly know what I know.

mrg said:

DS said: Kris has certainly demonstrated that he doesn’t deserve anything more.

Actually, I was suggesting we all insult and abuse DH. If he wants to invite it, why not oblige?

We already tried that on Kris. You can only call someone an @$$hole, a bastard and crazy so many times before it gets tiresome. What’s the point of bashing me?

Kris has called me a liar for stating the obvious facts about him. We can all see what he has done, so why would he deny the stunts he has pulled? He is the one who invaded our space to attack the cause of the blog, yet he expects us to be tolerant and respectful of him no matter what he says? There is no law or principle I know that demands any such thing.

Kris said:

What you said about me is a complete lie. I didn’t start the insults and attacks. You and your asshole buddies here did. And trying to con FF with lies about me and that swill about respecting people you and they (“we”) don’t agree with is yet another one of your acts of deliberate dishonesty. You and most others here wouldn’t know what respect is if it hit you like a freight train going 60 miles per hour.

Since the statements you make about me are false, you’re a deliberate liar, according to your own standards for others. Of course your standards for yourself are completely different. How convenient for you.

The ONLY reason you and most others aren’t now viciously attacking FF is because she said she’s a woman. Even then, some of you have been pretty blunt to her, and especially rude before she said she’s a woman, even though she has been nice the whole time.

My questions to her are not an attack or a trap. They are sincere. You are grossly misrepresenting me and are just showing yourself to be the hypocritical, dishonest, delusional liar you are.

You are a seriously fucked up lunatic with delusions of godhood who needs a good ass kicking.

By the way, Mr. theological agnostic, unitarian, universalist, dis-honorable, bushido, liberal, un-scientific pseudo-skeptic, what are you going to add to or subtract from your self-created, self-serving, bogus religion tomorrow?

You just keep piling up your lies and hypocrisy Dale. You said “You do what you like, but I’m done with Kris for good.” yet you’re still bashing me and lying about me.

You also said you respect people with whom you disagree but then you say “I went after him anyway.” when you first saw me here. When I first came here I didn’t say anything that warranted you going after me.

Plus, you said you respect people with whom you disagree but then you say “I’d go after Ann Coulter if that bitch showed up here too.” So much for you respecting people you disagree with.

As usual the things you claim about yourself, and me, are false, which makes you a chronic LIAR, according to your standards for others.

You admit to slamming me a lot but of course you try to make it look like you’re a saint for doing so. Whether you or anyone else here ever accepts it or not, I’m just giving you and others shit back because you and/or they started it, either with me or someone else who didn’t or doesn’t deserve it.

I didn’t escalate the situation. You and your fellow, lying, arrogant hypocrites did.

It really cracks me up to see you guys acting exactly like some of the creationists you hate and condemn so much. You accuse and attack them for not listening and having closed minds, and for playing what you think are ridiculous games, but you do the same thing. Congratulations, you have become your enemy.

FODS

I haven’t lied about anything, you jackass! The simple fact is that you have invaded Panda’s Thumb and have been a disruptive force from the beginning and have played us like suckers. I’m not fooled by you and no one else is. Even if you were insulted by one or two people in the beginning, you could have ignored it and just responded to the ones who were being positive to you, like flowersfriend has been, but instead you started throwing shit at everyone who dared to reject your tactics. We insulted you because that seemed to be what you liked, but I get tired of that after a while. You don’t, appearantly.

If you seriously think you have made ANY positive contributions to this community here, you are even more delusional than most Creationists!

Dale Husband said: What’s the point of bashing me?

None whatsoever, but since any comments to a troll are going to produce nothing but bashing in response, that leads to what the point of the comments was.

John often fails to read for comprehension. A poor highschool education , no doubt.

Ghrom said:

To make one point about the previous thread. John Kwok wrote:

“Sorry Jim, but your invocation of the Ground Zero Mosque controversy is not helpful here. Incidentally there are many Muslims and Muslim Americans who oppose its construction, simply because they recognize that building it near Ground Zero is needlessly offensive to the families of the victims and the survivors of the 9/11 attack. Some of the most prominent critics - who are Muslim Americans - include Wall Street businessman Mansoor Ijaz (who tried to assist the Clinton administration in extraditing Osama bin Laden from the Sudan) and former United States Navy officer Dr. M. Zuhdi Jasser.

[…]

If you are going to call Miss USA, a Muslim American, Rima Fakih, a bigot, then be my guest. Same is true for those two prominent Muslim Americans I had mentioned. Or other Muslim Americans who, like them, have spoken out against building the “Cordoba House” Islamic Center (Of course I am also against it, but am definitely not a bigot.).”

Unless YOU are a practicing Muslim your opposition to this cultural center is pure bigotry, so your saying that you’re “definitely not a bigot” is false. Your ruse of hiding behind the Muslim-Americans’ backs is the same as of the racists who think that using the n-word is OK because so many African-Americans use it. If you are a Muslim, well then, I find your views on the issue just silly, not bigoted.

Malchus said: A poor highschool education , no doubt.

Oh Bob, I can hear the howls now: “Set phasers to SLAUGHTER!”

Kris said:

Mike Elzinga said:

With a troll’s profile ready at hand, and with sufficient discipline on the part of the regulars, that could be cut to zero.

Profile ready at hand? What exactly does that mean Mike? Ready for what or whom? Do you have printed profiles of all the people you’ve labeled as trolls and hand them out to passersby on street corners? Or, do you create a profile file in your computer containing your intricate and exhaustive (LMAO!) calculations and determinations about each alleged troll and somehow send a copy of it to everyone on Earth to warn them of impending doom? Or, do you only dispense it to other regulars here who are able to contact you personally and who request a copy because they let you do their thinking for them?

Or, do you just think that your stupid ‘profiles’ actually matter, when in reality they actually don’t? Do you really believe that what happens on this website, or your asinine profiles, or what you do with them, matters one iota to the vast majority of the people on Earth? Get over yourself Mike.

Hey, if you have my profile handy, why don’t you post it here? I could use a good laugh.

Your “profile” is a person who needs attention and does not even try to get it by behaving in any consistent or coherent fashion. You are a manipulative jerk who takes ANY response from others and uses it as an excuse to attack. You bash us for not being tolerant enough of Creationists, while stating Creationist fallacies yourself. Then you turn around and deny being religious and question why certain others who are Creationist take their religion so seriously. Such strange behavior is pathological in the extreme.

Gee, this website seems VERY important to you, considering how much time you spend here.

You are either crazy or a fraud, Kris.

The fun thing about the BW is that the trolls either have to cave in and respond on the BW – which they don’t want to do – or pass up responding – which they REALLY don’t want to do.

Kris said:

Whatever you do, don’t even consider that when people come here and sincerely want to ask, discuss, debate, learn, and/or contribute in some way, that when they’re mercilessly insulted and attacked and erroneously lumped into your hated group of ID/creationists, they just might not like it and may fight back, and especially when they offer reasonable explanations of their words and the explanations (and the person) are ignored, misinterpreted, misrepresented, slammed, bashed, and ridiculed by you and the rest of the mindless haters here. Yeah, don’t even consider that for a second. You and the other haters and bashers here are way too perfect to have to consider such things. It’s never your fault.

Your track record is too well known here for us to consider that you are sincere about anything. You are even WORSE than the average Creationist troll because you keep going back and forth between acting non-religious and acting like a Creationist. You cannot be both, so you must be bullshitting us. Nobody here can take that seriously.

Expressed violent thoughts a number of times?? Yeah Mike, I would thoroughly enjoy kicking your ass and the asses of anyone else who has called me a liar, but I haven’t “expressed violent thoughts a number of times” in the way you’re implying. You’re the one who needs a psychiatrist, along with some others here. If you’re considered sane, I’d rather be considered crazy. And comparing me or anyone else you simply don’t agree with to a serial killer just helps show how paranoid and delusional you are.

If you don’t like being called a liar, stop being one. At least I have ALWAYS told the truth about YOU.

DH, a very minor issue here: the first part you cited above was addressed to me, and personally I find it amusing to watch such comments fall into a hole of resounding silence.

However, as far as the rest goes, carry on.

mrg said:

DH, a very minor issue here: the first part you cited above was addressed to me, and personally I find it amusing to watch such comments fall into a hole of resounding silence.

However, as far as the rest goes, carry on.

Oh, did you want to answer him here first? Be my guest. But I figured I’d just make a note of ANY inappropriate thing Kris says elsewhere and post it here, answer it here, and wait for Kris to take the hint and stop attacking us everywhere else and just slam people here.

Dale Husband said: Oh, did you want to answer him here first? Be my guest.

Why would I want to do that? But if my own rejoinder is indifference, I can at least politely ask that the effect not be spoiled.

Kris threatens: “I would thoroughly enjoy kicking your ass and the asses of anyone else who has called me a liar,…”

Lotsa bluster; everybody’s collective asses are exposed right here.

Mike Elzinga said: … everybody’s collective asses are exposed right here.

AARGH! I am so outa here!

Kris said:

Mike Elzinga said:

mrg said:

Serial killers are maybe a bit much of a comparison.

The point was the sociopathic needs of such an individual. This troll has expressed violent thoughts a number of times. But a psychiatrist would have a better handle on this that I.

I think people like attention; it’s just a question of what kind of attention. When I was the factory contact guy in my corporate life, a colleague in marketing told me that it was true I put up with a lot of abuse – I did – but added: “People thank you sometimes.”

And they did. I get thanks on occasion for my current efforts as well – not often, and maybe thanks aren’t the be-all and end-all of the effort … but on the other side of the coin, if nobody ever thanks me, what reason would I have to honestly believe what I was doing actually did anyone good?

Now take the negative mentalities that show up here … does anyone ever thank them for what they’re doing? It’s obvious it never happens, and just as obvious that they haven’t any expectation that it will.

They still want attention, and lacking any concept that they will ever be praised, they have no alternative but to be disruptive. If one cannot build, then they can only take satisfaction in destruction.

Yeah; you are pointing out common desires that nearly everyone has. But sociopaths also know this and manipulate these.

But I suspect most of us can simply walk away from these kinds of manipulations when we have other things to do that are satisfying; and I suspect most of the moderators here on PT do in fact have other things vying for their attention.

Hell, I’m retired and I can’t get through everything I want to get through in a week. The only reason I even show up here is that the PT topics are often very interesting, and I have a high speed connection that allows me to look in from time to time when I happen to be working on my computer. So most of the time I’m multitasking up a storm when I’m here.

Expressed violent thoughts a number of times?? Yeah Mike, I would thoroughly enjoy kicking your ass and the asses of anyone else who has called me a liar, but I haven’t “expressed violent thoughts a number of times” in the way you’re implying. You’re the one who needs a psychiatrist, along with some others here. If you’re considered sane, I’d rather be considered crazy. And comparing me or anyone else you simply don’t agree with to a serial killer just helps show how paranoid and delusional you are.

Whew! Glad I never called Kris a liar. I only called him a coward and a bully.

Mike Elzinga said: Lotsa bluster; everybody’s collective asses are exposed right here.

So it’s like “one of these days Alice, POW! To the mooning”?

Another collection of Kris’ delusional rants.

Kris said:

And of course your insulting comments, and the insulting comments by the other hypocrites here, don’t violate any of those rules you posted, eh?

Apparently, all that matters here is that any insults have to be aimed at creationists or anyone who doesn’t blindly and viciously attack them right along with you guys/gals.

Giving you back your own shit isn’t allowed. Questioning you isn’t allowed. Having a mind of my own isn’t allowed. Calling you on your bullshit isn’t allowed. Anything less than total devotion and obedience to you and your creationist hating ‘cause’ isn’t allowed. Hypocrisy, by you and your cohorts, is allowed, and encouraged.

Kris said:

And of course you and others going on and on about “trolls”, and repeatedly posting “DNFTT”, isn’t “SPAM”. Yeah, whatever.

Why do you think that a “dissenter” is automatically a “troll”? You’ve said you’re a Christian. Would your Christian God approve of your insulting, hypocritical, hateful behavior?

Kris said:

Maybe, just maybe the moderators are getting wise to the hypocrisy and other bullshit you and others are guilty of.

Now STFU spamming troll.

How do you like your own shit thrown back at you?

Panda’s Thumb is a blog made for defending evolution and promoting proper science education, and since Kris was the one who invaded the blog to spew both Creationist arguments that we were expected to “tolerate” (like we are supposed to tolerate falsehoods?) and then claim to be non-religious at other times, why shouldn’t we regard him as unwelcome, inconsistent and disruptive? Why shouldn’t we treat him like he is the enemy, when that’s all he has ever acted like since he arrived here?

An example of hypocrisy would be us invading and attacking ID promoters on Uncommon Descent. I’ve never done that, and never will. Maybe Kris can go over there and drive the ID people crazy for a while, to prove to us once and for all that he is an equal-opportunity critic, and not a bigoted Creationist concern troll.

http://www.uncommondescent.com/

Kris the creationist wrote:

“If, however, “descent with modification” is defined as showing that speciation (evolution) occurs and/or occurred, then that’s a different ballgame, and requires greater evidence. While a lot of evidence points to a persuasive probability that descent with modification, including divergence/speciation, occurred throughout(?) the history of life, there’s a lot more work to do to before it can reasonably be said that it has been established close to 100%, and I’m not sure it can be reasonably said that it can be established ‘empirically’. Many inferences have been and have to be made, and inferences are a matter of opinion.”

This is of course incorrect. I already posted a link to a web page entitled:

29+ Evidences for Macroevolution

If Kris wants to discuss the point, he can do so here. Maybe someone will want to discuss it with him. Unless of course he is just plain chicken shit.

DS said: Kris the creationist wrote:

You might just leave a short bland note on the original thread to invite him to come to the BW for discussion. He’ll ignore it, of course, but that works too.

Yawn.

(Bored.)

All the spamming at The Immune System Cross-examination Still Burns, and other forums, is very unChristlike, don’t you think?

Makes you wonder if these anti-science creation-supporters are Christians? (Never known a real creationist who wasn’t.)

It’s funny how trolls stubbornly resist being prodded to direct their comments to the BW. They know that once they do, they don’t have any real nuisance value any more: “What’s the point of trolling, then?”

Kris huffs and puffs and squeaks “What are you afraid of?” hiding behind his mommy’s apron. Afraid to mix it up on the big kid’s playground, he’ll sit in the sandbox and cry.

Poor widdle Kwis! Mean old scientists call you out on your stupid shit? Maybe if we ignore the little wanker he’ll go back into the closet and play with himself.

Geeze, I’m beginning to miss FL! I tell you, the neighborhood is going to hell.

I knew the asshole was chicken shit. All he haas to do is come here and provide a better explanation for the 29 different independent data sets that are all consistent with common descent. Until he does, I guess he will just be someone who believes in evolution but not in common descent. Yea right.

Everyone should remember, he had his chance to discuss science, he chose to quote mine and insult instead. He can cry all he wants to now, but everyone is wise to his crap.

phhht said:

Just Bob said:

phhht said:

Tarred with the Epithet Loony: An Intermittent Series

They tell you that there’s a war on women,” [Ben Carson] said. “There is no war on women. There may be a war on what’s inside of women, but there is no war on women in this country.”

Raw Story

I don’t know what that even means, even after reading the article. A war on uteri? Fallopian tubes?

Carson is FL, with money and a better education. But still FL.

It means that the charge of a war on women hits home closely enough to hurt. The Party of Stupid cannot, as usual, muster any intelligent rebuttal.

Or, the OBVIOUS interpretation is that it refers to abortions. But, some people just want to pretend to be stupid.

Oh, I better make this clear, before someone tries to put words in my mouth AGAIN, so that he can demonize me for a position I don’t hold. I can see shades of grey, and actually think the trimester approach is fine. I am certainly against late term abortions, in general, but do not consider a fetus a couple of months old to be human. Heck, child mortality used to be so high, most societies did not even consider kids to be people until their teens! THAT is the significance of all of the “coming of age” and naming rituals.

KlausH said:

Oh, I better make this clear, before someone tries to put words in my mouth AGAIN, so that he can demonize me for a position I don’t hold. I can see shades of grey, and actually think the trimester approach is fine. I am certainly against late term abortions, in general, but do not consider a fetus a couple of months old to be human. Heck, child mortality used to be so high, most societies did not even consider kids to be people until their teens! THAT is the significance of all of the “coming of age” and naming rituals.

Haven’t you read the GOP memo - it is a human at conception and no abortions are allowed ever - not for rape not for incest - not even if the adult will die without an abortion. Geesh pay attention.

KlausH said:

phhht said:

Just Bob said:

phhht said:

Tarred with the Epithet Loony: An Intermittent Series

They tell you that there’s a war on women,” [Ben Carson] said. “There is no war on women. There may be a war on what’s inside of women, but there is no war on women in this country.”

Raw Story

I don’t know what that even means, even after reading the article. A war on uteri? Fallopian tubes?

Carson is FL, with money and a better education. But still FL.

It means that the charge of a war on women hits home closely enough to hurt. The Party of Stupid cannot, as usual, muster any intelligent rebuttal.

Or, the OBVIOUS interpretation is that it refers to abortions. But, some people just want to pretend to be stupid.

Oh, very few Republicans are just pretending, KlausH. They’re the real thing.

phhht said:

KlausH said:

phhht said:

Just Bob said:

phhht said:

Tarred with the Epithet Loony: An Intermittent Series

They tell you that there’s a war on women,” [Ben Carson] said. “There is no war on women. There may be a war on what’s inside of women, but there is no war on women in this country.”

Raw Story

I don’t know what that even means, even after reading the article. A war on uteri? Fallopian tubes?

Carson is FL, with money and a better education. But still FL.

It means that the charge of a war on women hits home closely enough to hurt. The Party of Stupid cannot, as usual, muster any intelligent rebuttal.

Or, the OBVIOUS interpretation is that it refers to abortions. But, some people just want to pretend to be stupid.

Oh, very few Republicans are just pretending, KlausH. They’re the real thing.

A few lanks of the Texas Republican Party 2014 Platform:

All innocent human life must be respected and safeguarded from fertilization to natural death; therefore, the unborn, the aged, and the physically or mentally challenged have a fundamental individual right to life, which cannot be infringed.

We are resolute in our support of the reversal of Roe v. Wade.

- Until our final goal of total constitutional rights for the unborn child is achieved, we support laws that restrict and regulate abortion including, but not limited to: 1. Parental and informed consent; 2. Prohibition of abortion for gender selection; 3. Prohibition of abortion due to the results of genetic diagnosis 4. licensing, liability, and malpractice insurance for abortionists and abortion facilities; 5. Prohibition of financial kickbacks for abortion referrals; 6. Prohibition of partial-birth, late-term abortions 7. The prohibition of the manufacturing and sale of abortifacients (e.g. morning after pill); 8. New causes of action for so called “wrongful birth” or “wrongful life”; 9. Enactment of any other laws which will advance the right to life for unborn children; 10. Health insurance coverage for abortion services and abortifacients, which under Texas law should be considered supplemental coverage and billed to the beneficiary; and 11. Repeal of judicial bypass.

We support the adoption of human embryos and the banning of human embryo trafficking.

We support objective teaching and equal treatment of all sides of scientific theories. We believe theories such as life origins and environmental change should be taught as challengeable scientific theories subject to change as new data is produced. Teachers and students should be able to discuss the strengths and weaknesses of these theories openly and without fear of retribution or discrimination of any kind.

We oppose any sex education other than the biology of reproduction and abstinence until marriage.

We support school subjects with emphasis on the JudeoChristian principles…

We urge repeal of the Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances Law.

We pledge our influence toward a return to the original intent of the 1st Amendment and toward dispelling the myth of separation of church and state.

We urge immediate repeal of the Hate Crimes Law. Until the Hate Crimes Law is totally repealed, we urge the Legislature to immediately remove the education curriculum mandate and the sexual orientation category in said Law.

Another nail in bigotry’s coffin.

http://www.latimes.com/la-na-suprem[…]1-story.html

Which is more important to Kim Davis her gay hatred or her paycheck? We should know soon.

phhht said:

Oh, very few Republicans are just pretending [to be stupid]. They’re the real thing.

For those that don’t think a wall (fence) works, why don’t they suggest taking down the fence around the White House? Foolish people!

- Donald Trump

Michael Fugate said:

Another nail in bigotry’s coffin.

http://www.latimes.com/la-na-suprem[…]1-story.html

Which is more important to Kim Davis her gay hatred or her paycheck? We should know soon.

There’s more money on the martyr speaking circuit anyway.

Just Bob said:

A plank of the Texas Republican Party 2014 Platform:

All innocent human life must be respected and safeguarded from fertilization to natural death; therefore, the unborn, the aged, and the physically or mentally challenged have a fundamental individual right to life, which cannot be infringed.

We are resolute in our support of the reversal of Roe v. Wade.

I always chuckled at this when I lived in Texas.

I couldn’t help notice that the same GOP that has fought strenuously to outlaw ‘morning after’ pills and gone gunning for IUD’s because they are supposedly ‘abortificants’ which destroy a fertilized egg - which counts a a person in their eyes - never go after the obvious target of in-virto fertilization.

IVF, it should be remembered, involves gathering a dozen or more eggs via a round of fertility drugs, fertilizing them in-vitro, watching them divide a few times, picking out the healthiest-looking ones, and trying to implant them in the mother.

The way things work you simply have to create more than one zygote at a time, the yield is low, the drugs work that way, and the math doesn’t pencil out otherwise.

And, unlike a freshly fertilized egg, there’s no doubt that these are real zygotes, people watch them divide carefully. to make sure they’re healthy.

Though we can talk about freezing and adopting spare zygotes, the fact is that this almost always means that those spares will eventually be destroyed.

Yet, mysteriously, the GOP supermajority in Texas seems hesitant to shut down the fertility clinics. This is more baffling since, unlike drugs like PlanB which is federally regulated byt eh FDA, fertility clinics are licensed by the state, and therefore the legislature could actually do something about them.

Yet, oddly, I don’t ever remember a big push to saddle fertility clinics with onerous regulations about hallway size and local admitting privileges, and generally hassle them out of existence.

Now, I wonder why that might be…

A cynic might note that women who go to Planned Parenthood or need PlanB might tend to be poor, or young and therefore worthy of moral reprobation, while the typical woman undergoing an expensive IVF cycle probably has a lot more cash and and status.

Oh, and is probably white, but that wouldn’t have anything to do with it, right?

Michael Fugate said:

Another nail in bigotry’s coffin.

http://www.latimes.com/la-na-suprem[…]1-story.html

Which is more important to Kim Davis her gay hatred or her paycheck? We should know soon.

Bigotry’s a zombie. No matter how many nails you’d put in, it’ll still be scratching at the lid trying to get out.

fnxtr said:

Michael Fugate said:

Another nail in bigotry’s coffin.

http://www.latimes.com/la-na-suprem[…]1-story.html

Which is more important to Kim Davis her gay hatred or her paycheck? We should know soon.

There’s more money on the martyr speaking circuit anyway.

That is no doubt true.

FL said:

I’m seriously focussing on Keelyn’s questions/comments/dialogue as promised, …

Well, Floyd?? When?? I celebrated my 28th birthday yesterday and I am beginning to think that I’ll be blowing out 29 candles before you address my questions. I only asked three. And they’re multiple choices. I know you can be busy (so am I), but if you would like to move this along before my hair turns white, I’ll check in as often as possible.

Happy Birthday!

I’m eager to hear Flawd explain why his gods don’t do something about all this. After all, he promised us rains of blood and plagues of cicadas and stuff. Where are they? Hmm?

A cynic might note that women who go to Planned Parenthood or need PlanB might tend to be poor, or young and therefore worthy of moral reprobation, while the typical woman undergoing an expensive IVF cycle probably has a lot more cash and and status.

I notice that in both cases their policy would encourage more pregnancies.

After all, he promised us rains of blood and plagues of cicadas and stuff. Where are they? Hmm?

So we should listen for the sound of crickets chirping?

Dear Floyd,

My God’s better than your God.

My God’s better than yours.

My God can kick

Your God’s ass.

My God’s better than yours.

fnxtr said:

Michael Fugate said:

Another nail in bigotry’s coffin.

http://www.latimes.com/la-na-suprem[…]1-story.html

Which is more important to Kim Davis her gay hatred or her paycheck? We should know soon.

There’s more money on the martyr speaking circuit anyway.

I happily note that as the Davis controversy rolls on I’m seeing more and more coverage about Davis’s lawyers, Liberty Council, up to and including open speculation that their quixotic pursuit of an almost certainly hopeless case has less to do with Wendy Davis than it does with using her as a tool to advance their own profiles.

The Lexington Herald-Leader editorial board, not exactly a group of bleeding heart liberals, lays it on the line nicely…

Sharing Davis’ glow is Liberty Counsel, which describes itself as a nonprofit that provides pro bono legal representation related to “religious freedom, the sanctity of life, and the family,” funded by tax-deductible donations and grants. In 2012 those gifts reached just over $3.5 million and in 2013 topped $4.1 million, according to IRS filings.

The husband and wife team who founded and run Liberty Counsel, Anita and Matthew Staver, were paid $137,758 and $153,591, respectively, in 2013. The staff of five ran up $184,479 in travel expenses that year and spent $429,584 on conferences, conventions and meetings. Liberty Counsel paid one independent contractor over $600,000 for “email alert services,” and another almost $500,000 for printing and mail services. “Case costs,” were reported at $105,487.

Liberty’s attorneys know they can’t win the case in Rowan County. Same-sex marriage is legal since the Supreme Court’s June 26 decision and it’s Davis’ job to issue marriage licenses.

So, why is Liberty Counsel marching alongside Davis in this losing cause? It takes a lot to keep that marketing machine humming and those executives paid, and the only way to keep those donations coming is to stay in the news. For that purpose a losing cause is just as good as, perhaps better than, a winning one.

I’m really happy that this time around people are pointing out early that the lawyers are using a dumb, believing, rube as a useful tool, and at the end of it all it’s going to be the rube that has no case that takes the fall, not the law firm, which walks away with a new, shiny, marketing tool.

If only the Dover School District had understood this upfront, the would would have been a much different place.

phhht said:

Happy Birthday!

Thank you, phhht! I’d send you a piece of cake, but …it was chocolate …and we got a little piggy.

Keelyn said: I celebrated my 28th birthday yesterday .…

< ol geezer voice > I remember back when I used to keep track .… < / geezer >

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