Isn’t that special?

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Have you ever heard of the Manmin Research Center, and the Jaerock Lee Ministry? Neither have I, but William Dembski has—and he's been following it for years. He has recently even endorsed it.

The ministry of the Manmin Church is quite remarkable, and I have been following it now for several years. As a scientist, I tend to be skeptical about events that are supposed to be miracles. Yet as a Christian, I also know that Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever, and that there is nothing to prevent the power of God from working miraculous events. Having visited the Manmin Church and having seen the news reports of Rev. Dr. Jae-Rock Lee's ministry around the globe, I am persuaded that God truly is manifesting himself with works of power through this ministry. There is a great need for people to experience the power of God in their lives. I therefore commend "Manmin World News" for emphasizing this aspect of the Christian life that is so often neglected in the West.

--- Dr. William A. Dembski (Author of "Intelligent Design")

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What can I say? I am speechless.

I like this passage about oranges on one of Jae-Rock’s web pages:

“Generally speaking, oranges are very juicy and sweet. And they are rich in glucose and taste good. But however many times anyone has heard oranges are juicy and sweet, he can’t feel or understand it wholly unless he eat them personally. He can surely know oranges are delicious only after he ate them. Hearing about oranges is one thing and eating them is another.”

Got that? In other words, until you’ve tasted an orange, you can’t really appreciate what they taste like. Oranges are like many foods which must be tasted before one can understand just how tasty and juicy they really are. Only a person who has felt the juice of an orange on his tongue genuinely knows the sweet taste of an orange.

Jae-Rock also writes about peeling and tasting the wooden Cross of Providence which just doesn’t seem to be as fun as eating an orange, although the side-benefits of eternal life or attractive eyelids are tempting.

Can you please cite the source of Dembski’s comments? Thanks.

Clare, click on the Manmin Centre link in PZ’s post. Dembski’s endorsement is on the main page.

Clare, click on the Manmin Centre link in PZ’s post. A link to Dembski’s endorsement is found on the main page of Manmin’s website.

hmmm. strange. my apologies for the double post.

Or, if you want it directly, try this link and scroll down a little bit.

Out of curiosity, is there any outside corroboration to the Ministry’s claim that Dembski actually supports them? Sometimes groups like this will fraudulently claim that some “celebrity” or other endorses them.

I wonder why, if Dembski really likes this ministry so much, he wouldn’t link to them from his own website–when he’s gone to all the trouble of linking to a BBQ house.

My mistake–as best I can tell, it is the BBQ house which has linked to Dembski’s site, not the other way around.

As a scientist, I tend to be skeptical about events that are supposed to be miracles. Yet as a Christian, I also know that Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever, and that there is nothing to prevent the power of God from working miraculous events.

Wow. How skeptical of him.

Leighton asks: “Out of curiosity, is there any outside corroboration to the Ministry’s claim that Dembski actually supports them? Sometimes groups like this will fraudulently claim that some “celebrity” or other endorses them.”

click on the “about us” of the web page and scroll down. You will see Dembski’s photo from May 2000. Michael Behe is also there on the April 2000 section.

http://www.manminresearch.org/html/home1.htm

Thanks for the link, AAB. That’s pretty scary…

AAB: To be fair, those are just pictures taken at meetings - I am not sure they offer much corroboration of actual support. It is also possible, frankly, that Dembski is not aware of the utterly lunatic nature of this group. Even his statement on their web site, which does sound quite damning, might perhaps have been taken out of context. To me, it just seems fishy for Dembski, usually quite cautious about religious issues (eg, walking a very fine line with YEC), to get “officially” involved with this kind of outright quackery.

Anyway, since we know some of Dembski’s close acquaintances read this blog, I gather we’ll soon know whether that was a genuine endorsement or not.

From my perspective, Dembski hasn’t been cautious at all–see his Act of Creation, where he says,

The creation of the world by God is the most magnificent of all acts of creation. It, along with humanity’s redemption through Jesus Christ, are the two key instances of God’s self-revelation.

He’s openly Christian (nothing wrong with that, of course), but he often crosses the line and invokes his god in his pseudoscience. He’s not a scientist, after all, he’s a theologian, trained and certified.

Of course, I don’t know much about theology, but I suspect that he is as crappy a theologian as he is a scientist.

Leighton: My mistake—as best I can tell, it is the BBQ house which has linked to Dembski’s site, not the other way around.

T he author of the webpage is Dembski, check the HTML source. It even included FTE as the organization.

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  <o:Template>Normal</o:Template>
  <o:LastAuthor>William A. Dembski</o:LastAuthor>
  <o:Revision>10</o:Revision>
  <o:TotalTime>829</o:TotalTime>
  <o:Created>2004-04-20T12:24:00Z</o:Created>
  <o:LastSaved>2004-04-28T14:53:00Z</o:LastSaved>
  <o:Pages>3</o:Pages>
  <o:Words>240</o:Words>
  <o:Characters>1372</o:Characters>
  <o:Company>FTE</o:Company>

First restaurants and now religions…what’s next?

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