My grandpappy was et by a fire-breathin’ T-Rex!

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That may sound strange to rational people, but if you visit a diner in Dunlap, Tennessee, you’ll find out that it’s perfectly plausible. It appears that Kent Hovind, aka Dr. Dino, isn’t content with poisoning the minds of children down in Pensacola, Florida. He’s now wormed his way north to the land of Scopes. Joe Meert, a geologist and long-time follower of creationism, had this discovery to share on the IIDB forum:

I took a group of students on a field trip to Tennessee, NC and Virginia. We stopped at a small diner in Tennessee for breakfast. My 7 year old son was with me on the trip and as the waitress was setting our table, she put down a ‘childrens activity’ place mat. I did not think much of it until my son said, “Dad, did you know that T-rex could breathe fire?”. I said where did you hear that? He said, look at my placemat. I did and there were many other ‘fun-filled’ dino facts from one “Dr Dino”!!

He’s done us favor of scanning the placemats:

Front.

Back.

There’s not much more that needs saying. The kiddie script is just so appropriate.

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Fire breathing T-Rex! from The Heathen Hold on April 9, 2005 1:46 AM

These placemats are damn hilarious! Who would've thought that "scientists" speculated that the Tyrannosaurus Rex breathed fire! And that if you could get near one (assuming there is a living T-Rex somewhere in the world), you can tear off its puny ar... Read More

Abandon All Hope from The World Wide Rant - v3.0 on April 11, 2005 7:56 PM

The children of Tennessee may be lost forever.I took a group of students on a field trip to Tennessee, NC and Virginia. We stopped at a small diner in Tennessee for breakfast. My 7 year old son was with me... Read More

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I’d love to read the “Fun Facts”, but I can’t make them out on the posted scans. If someone has access to a legible version, it would be great if you could transcribe them!

Oh, God… is this what creationists want to be taught in schools?

Hm, I don’t have a problem reading them. (They’re hilarious, so you don’t want to miss them.)

The image that’s linked to is the original high-resolution scan, and it’s not going to get any better. (Although I could make them worse if you’d like.)

You may be having an issue with your browser – I know that WinXP will automatically thumbnail a large pic and you have to click on it to get the full size. Something like that must be going on.

I’d love to read the “Fun Facts”, but I can’t make them out on the posted scans.

Whatever program you’re using to view them must be reducing them to fit in the window.

“Dinosaurs are reptiles and reptiles never stop growing!

The largest dinosaur egg ever found was smaller than a football.

Dinosaur footprints & people footprints were found together in Glenrose, Texas.

The most up to date scientific information shows that dinosaurs did not live milions of years ago, they lived with man. There are still some around today.”

Incredible.

Most kids’ menus only provide junk for the body.

This one has junk for the mind, too.

Yippee.

Did any of the adults complain to the restaurant management?

transcription:

FRONT:

shows a picture of a triceratops

in the text window we read:

dinosaurs are reptiles, and reptiles never stop growing!

The largers dinosaur egg ever found was smaller than a football.

Dinosaur footprints and people footprints were found together in Glenrose, Texas.

The most up to date scientific information shows that dinosaurs did not live millions of years ago, they lived with man. There are still some around today.

BACK:

We see pictures of a T-rex and Pterodactyl and one other i can’t make out.

in the various text windows under the T-rex we read:

The brain of a T-rex is only the size of a walnut.

If you could get near him, you could very easily [something] off the arm of the T-rex. He would die because he would bleed to death.

Scientists have theorized that the T-rex could probably breathe fire.

under the Ptery we read:

Missionaries have reported that the natives are scared of Pterodactyl’s still living in Kenya, Africa. The natives call them Kongamato.

Many scientists believe that there are still a few dinosaurs alive today. Other numerous sitings include Amazon and Lake Okanagan!

Scientists have determined that the Loch Ness monster is probably a dinosaur. Over 11,000 people have reported seeing Loch Ness, and there are over 50 pictures taken of him.

There have been recent expeditions into the Congo swamp where Apatosaurs still live! The Congo swamp is the size of Arkansas, and still largely un-explorable. What else might be there??

at the bottom we read:

For more great information on dinosaurs visit www.drdino.com. This information was taken from video #3 available from Dr. Dino’s website!!

Fix for people with “automatic resize” enabled in Windoze:

1.) Hover the cursor over the picture. 2.) Wait until the four-arrows-outward glyph appears in the bottom RH corner. 3.) Click it.

i didn’t put any of my own comments along with the transcription, as i didn’t really see any point in doing so.

sad.

Missionaries have reported that the natives are scared of the Pterodactyls still living in Kenya, Africa.

It wouldn’t surprise me if that apostrophe was in Kent Hovind’s original.

“If you could get near him, you could very easily tear off the arm of the T-rex. He would die because he would bleed to death.”

This is pure Kent Hovind.

The apostrophe was in the original.

Over 11,000 people have reported seeing Loch Ness

This one I can believe :-)

there was one typo i made:

change siting to sighting.

other than that, i think i got it all verbatim, including the punctuation.

Maybe the resturant patron should ask the waitress if it is a good idea to have materials being distrubted to children from a person on the watchlist of Anti-Hate groups such as the Southern Poverty Law Center. Meaning this guy is being looked at like groups like the KKK are and info on him is being shared with police agencies. Not to mention the IRS and other law enforcement groups are also investigating Dr. Dinodroppings. Should also mention his criminal record and that his family also have records of criminal misdeeds and so do some of his church elders.

Also ask if they are aware of what other Christian groups have to say about Dr. Dino namely that he is a disgrace to them.

Incidentally, Dunlap Tennessee is a truly beautiful place. It is nestled in the Sequatchie valley, a long narrow fold in the southern Appalachians, with steep escarpments perhaps 800 feet high on both sides. There is noplace without a spectacular view anywhere near town. But all this makes Dunlap hard to get to from any large city, so the culture is insular.

I don’t know that you would call it a formal complaint, but I did ask the waitress about the placemats and she seemed a bit flabbergasted that anyone would find them offensive. I honestly think she had no clue that this was a young-earth tract. She said that the owner orders everything for the restaraunt. I remember looking at Hovinds schedule a while back and noticed Dunlap on the agenda. The only reason I took notice of his trip there is because we take our field methods class there every year to look at the rocks in the area. I suspect the only thing a more formal complaint would have gotten us was kicked out of the restaraunt. Instead, I showed it to all the students (many asked for souvenier copies) and we had a good laugh. I was also able to teach my son about why some people are willing to lie to convince others of their viewpoint. To his credit he did know that T-rex’s brain was larger than a walnut and that the Loch Ness monster was a myth. Now he knows a lot more about life and lies.

Cheers

Joe Meert

In a great coincidence, I happened to catch a few minutes of the good Dr. Dino on TV this evening. There’s a local Christian station that seems very fond of him. He was talking about–dinosaurs! Actually, he was talking about how fire-breathing dragons were real and were just dinosaurs. He described T-Rex as having a head about the size of a Volkswagen (no model mentioned) but a brain about the same size as a kitten’s. I swear I’m not making this next part up. He said that a lot of that unused cranial capacity was probably just empty and could have been used to “store chemicals.” And the empty chamber(s) were connected to the “nasal passages.” (…and the knee bone’s connected to the…)”If you mix the right chemicals,” he said, “you get combustion, and T-Rex might have been able to blow that fire right out its nostrils.” I want a degree from Patriot University.

“If you could get near him, you could very easily [something] off the arm of the T-rex. He would die because he would bleed to death.”

Guess T-Rex didn’t have that Intelligently Designed blood-clotting mechanism.

Maybe T-Rex is extinct because one of Noah’s sons was goofing around and pulled the arms off the two T-Rexes in the Ark.

Maybe Dr. Hovind is right - if an animal that big had a brain the size of a walnut, it would be too stupid to use its enormous jaws and huge teeth to prevent people from getting up on a ladder to reach its arms to pull them off.

I want his dissertation. He, of course, refuses to release anything but the “latest version”, which makes him look dumber than if he just refused.

Now he knows a lot more about life and lies.

And while it is an important lesson, it is a shame he had to learn it at all.

Sincerely Cheers, Paul

(Hovind) said that a lot of that unused cranial capacity was probably just empty and could have been used to “store chemicals.”

Was he talking about the T-Rex’s brain, or his own?

For the record, I consider that last sentence “Clever beyond fathomability”

maybe he can shoot fire out of his nose? so he naturally assumed other things could too.

If ID is not creationism, certainly the Discovery Institute will have no difficulty issuing a press release disavowing Hovind’s insanity. If ID is science and not creationism, surely Dembski and Behe will make that clear to the court in Dover with a categorical denial of Hovind’s materials.

Should I bate my breath?

Ed, you’d suffocate first. Paul

Oh, certainly not. The ability to breathe fire undoubtedly requires an intelligent designer (it’s far too complex to have evolved), and it’s already obvious that Kent Honvid wasn’t intelligently designed.

Here’s my conjecture: Honvid’s brain is actually the size of an ordinary human’s, but he utilizes far less of it than others. The brain matter which he does not use (junk brain matter) still exists not necessarily because it benefits him, but because it benefits itself–it’s parasital–much like selfish junk DNA (for anyone who’s read Dawkins The Selfish Gene). Honvid’s brain, because it does not function at the capacity that his anscestors’ did, is a vestigal organ, which is predicted by evolutionary theory. Evolutionary theory can also explain why: in a society where you don’t have to use your brain, genes which would make the brain less functional would become more common in a population (at the very least, a population comprised of non-brain-users) as there is no selection pressure favoring genes which make the brain more functional, nor which ‘punish’ genes which make the brain less functional. Politicians and creationists, for instance, don’t have to use their brains because a good deal of people will believe outright lies, mischaracterisations, and half-truths made up by such people, and can make their living without ever having to think critically about anything. Actually, because people prefer to believe certain things, they’re more likely to listen to someone who appeals to what they wish to believe, and lies/mischaracterizes in order to do so than to someone who says things like they are, so there is actually selection pressure for the brains of groups such as politicians and creationists (and other demagogues) to become vestigal.

Kent Honvid happens to be further evolved than other demagogues.

“If you could get near him, you could very easily [something] off the arm of the T-rex. He would die because he would bleed to death.”

On my screen the bracketted word is clearly pull, although it looks more like pUll.

I especially like the “very easily” part. I wish I had a T-REX so Hovind could test that hypothesis for himself.

For the record, I consider that last sentence “Clever beyond fathomability”

ah yes, very witty, Wilde.

“His majesty is like a stream of bat’s piss.”

“Here’s my conjecture:”

hmm. seems reasonable. how would we test it? please show for us how your theory would fit all the steps of scientific analysis posted by Dr. Lenny.

:)

“An empty head is not really empty; it is stuffed with rubbish. Hence the difficulty of forcing anything into an empty head.” – Eric Hoffer

David Heddle, please enlighten us on what scientific studies were done that falsified Communism. What were the conditions? What were the assumptions? What were the controls? What exactly were the results. Is it reproducible? Was it submitted to peer review and accepted to publication? I must have missed the article somewhere.

Either way, you can stamp your feet all you like and bury your head in the sand, even though has been shown to you numerous times that ID is not falsifiable and that finding an alternate universe would do nothing to the ID movement. Just because you say it is falsifiable, does not make it so. To borrow a page from the Rev. Dr.’s book, what makes your say so any more authoritative than anyone else’s say so?

“Those who claim per capita income is meaningless, in my experience, are frauds who live in the wealthy west”

uh, hate to tell you, but per capita income IS meaningless, especially in the wealthy west.

But I’m still puzzled. Why do we even care about the “falsifiability” of ID if no one here considers it science? And, if ID is falsifiable, what are the other requirements it lacks to be science? And, referring to my previous question , do we all agree that evolution is science?

GCT It has never been shown that cosmological ID is not falsifiable, only petulantly asserted.

As for communism, you can easily find the promises and predictions made by its proponents, and then compare those promises and predictions to reality.

Of course, if you’d like to examine some controlled experiments on communism, at least as controlled as can be made, examine:

East Germany vs. West Germany North Korea vs. South Korea China vs. Taiwan

And if you have any glorious fantasies about life in Communist China, and how peachy it is, and how per capita income doesn’t matter, and how glorious its healthcare system is, I’ll get my wife, who is Chinese, to set you straight.

Congratulations Heddle, you get in the last word. Since the conversation has moved far afield of the original topic, I’m going to close this thread. If you guys want to continue, take it to email.

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