The Bathroom Wall

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With any tavern, one can expect that certain things that get said are out-of-place. But there is one place where almost any saying or scribble can find a home: the bathroom wall. This is where random thoughts and oddments that don’t follow the other entries at the Panda’s Thumb wind up. As with most bathroom walls, expect to sort through a lot of oyster guts before you locate any pearls of wisdom.

Just because this is the bathroom wall does not mean that you should put your #$%& on it.

The previous wall got a little cluttered, so we’ve splashed a coat of paint on it.

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Creationists Suck

Shades of JAD! I was unable to access the Bathroom Wall comments for the past several days - had to use the main page link, which took me to the previous BW page, with comments from 25 March through 05 April. Links to the other threads worked fine. How do I pull up the comments I missed?

Creationists look for absolutes, if it can’t be proved absolutely true [and nothing can be], then it could be absolutely false.…so reject it.

It is like they need the security of knowing that they can count on something in some absolute fashion. They are even willing to foregoe rational thought in order to maintain this false sense of security.…it kinda reminds me of a small child that always needs his “blanky”.

Clicking on the “the previous wall” link above takes me to Comment 21883, 25 March through Comment 23194, 04 April.

Gee Ken, that was very insightful. You must be really, really smart.

Oooohhh, we have a winner! I was ready to bet that the first crank to visit the new BW would be JAD…

Crank? Would that be me? Nah, I’m just a humble scientist.

David Heddle Wrote:

Gee Ken, that was very insightful. You must be really, really smart.

You liked that eh? What colour is your blanky?

I must admit that I have a flare for stating the obvious.…it’s a gift.

Scientist? Possibly.

Humble? No way.

Nothing can be proved absolutely true? Does that apply to macroevolution?

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/04/20/ma[…]p/index.html

Here’s the latest “evidence” in support of creationism.

A steady stream of the faithful and the curious, many carrying flowers and candles, have flocked to an expressway underpass for a view of a yellow and white stain on a concrete wall that some believe is an image of the Virgin Mary.

Will miracles never cease????

Nothing can be proved absolutely true? Does that apply to macroevolution?

Of course. Macroevolution is simply the best known explanation of all currently available evidence. Produce some new evidence in conflict with current evidence, and (assuming it’s valid) the theory must change to fit. This is what makes science special: it’s explanations change to fit the data, rather than vice versa. I hope to be as insightful as Ken someday!

I hear the noise of straw being frantically collected by our resident Apeman…

You can catch John Davison’s speaking schedule for the summer here

http://www.johndavidson.com/

Not sure why they keep spelling his name wrong. I heard a rumor that DaveScot might be joining him at the Cerrito, CA conference in May.

Although not on the schedule, it’s virtually guaranteed that Davison will make an appearance for at this one leg of this summer’s Trollapalooza.

AWESOME quote from Carl Bernstein reported today’s Daily Howler:

ANGLE (4/19/05): Former Washington Post reporter Carl Bernstein, who helped break the Watergate story, says journalism nowadays is squandering the public’s trust, insisting the, quote, “triumph of the idiot culture in news, particularly TV news, has weakened journalist drive for the truth.”

At a press convention in Kansas, Bernstein said, quote, “The consequences to a society that is misinformed and disinformed by the grotesque values of this idiot culture are truly perilous. For the first time in our history,” he went on, “the weird, the stupid, the coarse, the sensational and the untrue are becoming our cultural norm, even our cultural ideal.”

Isn’t it the truth? And how many unknowing souls have been sucked into the idiot culture? It’s going to be unpleasant for those simple folks when they receive the wake up call where they are informed about how terribly they’ve been let down.

Evolving Apeman Wrote:

Nothing can be proved absolutely true? Does that apply to macroevolution?

Yes, that is one of the limitations of science (contrast with Mathematics). Our current models of gravity, the atom, cell theory, germ theory, etc. are also among the things that science cannot prove to be absolutely true.

Aureola Nominee Wrote:

I hear the noise of straw being frantically collected by our resident Apeman.

That can’t be proved absolutely true. There are many other potential explanations that can account for [what seems to be] the noise that you [are supposedly] hearing that all can all be made to fit observations. Therefore, I choose to completely overlook the fact that it is the best explanation for the observation that we have and propose that a supernatural deity made the noise because it would be nihilistic to reject the notion that the supernatural deity made the noise. And if we tried to explain the origin of that noise in entirely naturalistic terms, life would be ultimiately meaningless and we’d have to resort to deviant behaviors in order to deal with the emptiness in our lives.

Malkuth, you have become quite the apt pupil. Bravo

RE #25914: ROFL

Malkuth Wrote:

And if we tried to explain the origin of that noise in entirely naturalistic terms, life would be ultimiately meaningless and we’d have to resort to deviant behaviors in order to deal with the emptiness in our lives.

Now that is some serious insight.…..seriously, no sarcasm on my part [the sarcasm is all his]. The creationist thinks that society will fall apart without God.….but it is only the creationist that will do so. I don’t need the promise of paradise or the threat of damnation to show me right from wrong.…again, the child with the blanky analogy seems to fit the creationist quite well.

You can squirm, Evolving Strawman, but you can’t hide…

Is it absolute truth that there is no absolute truth?

I like this game! Wait, I got one too: what is the sound of one hand clapping?

“You can catch John Davison’s speaking schedule for the summer here”

quite the mullet on that ol boy.

Is it absolute truth that there is no absolute truth?

Yes and no.

“I like this game! Wait, I got one too: what is the sound of one hand clapping?”

the same as the sound of a tree falling in the forest, when no-one is present.

Aureola Nominee Wrote:

I like this game! Wait, I got one too: what is the sound of one hand clapping?

A series of compressions and refractions of a medium that propagate through that medium.

My turn: If a tree falls in the woods and there’s no-one there to hear it, will someone prate about such inconsequential things as the tree?

A minor quibble: “rarefactions”, nor “refractions” ;-)

Evolving Apeman Wrote:

Is it absolute truth that there is no absolute truth?

Russell replied: “Yes and no.”

Hmmm.….I would say.…most likely true.…absolutely.

Something which is “logically possible” but not “psysically possible” is … “supernatural”?

That’s my definition.

Then by your definition, most of mathematics is “supernatural”. So… should we worship it?

Is the actual testimony by each witness going to be published or are all we are going to hear is the usual Darwinian knee jerk vitriol?

jeffw

Of course we should worship mathematics. The Pythagoreans worshipped mathematics. Galileo was a Pythagorean. I am a Pythagorean too. I am especially impressed by 1.61803398…also known as the divine proportion. Consider a line AB on which there is a point C such that AB over AC equals AC over CB. Squared it becomes 2.61803398… Its reciprocal is 0.61803398… The Pythagoreans discovered this wonderful number. It is also the ratio of the side to the base of the 5 triangles that make up the Pentagram. Now there is a number worth worshipping don’t you know.

Mathematics like everything else in the universe was generated by the Big Front Loader (BFL) in the sky. Since BFL is no longer with us we should worship its work which certainly includes all of mathematics. You notice I describe the BFL as an it because there is no reason to personify God. In fact that is where most of the trouble comes from.

“The main source of the present-day conflicts between the spheres of religion and science lies in the concept of a personal God.” Albert Einstein

It’s hard to believe isn’t it?

How do like them mathematics?

John A. Davison

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