# The Bathroom Wall

With any tavern, one can expect that certain things that get said are out-of-place. But there is one place where almost any saying or scribble can find a home: the bathroom wall. This is where random thoughts and oddments that don’t follow the other entries at the Panda’s Thumb wind up. As with most bathroom walls, expect to sort through a lot of oyster guts before you locate any pearls of wisdom.

Just because this is the bathroom wall does not mean that you should put your #\$%& on it.

The previous wall got a little cluttered, so we’ve splashed a coat of paint on it.

Creationists suck. Still.

But their arguments blow.

Of course we should worship mathematics. The Pythagoreans worshipped mathematics. Galileo was a Pythagorean. I am a Pythagorean too. I am especially impressed by 1.61803398 … also known as the divine proportion. Consider a line AB on which there is a point C such that AB over AC equals AC over CB. Squared it becomes 2.61803398 … Its reciprocal is 0.61803398 … The Pythagoreans discovered this wonderful number. It is also the ratio of the side to the base of the 5 triangles that make up the Pentagram. Now there is a number worth worshipping don’t you know.

Personally, I’ve always been extremely fond of the fraction 2/7. I may build a shrine to it some day, probably near cincinnati.

Mathematics like everything else in the universe was generated by the Big Front Loader (BFL) in the sky. Since BFL is no longer with us we should worship its work which certainly includes all of mathematics. You notice I describe the BFL as an it because there is no reason to personify God. In fact that is where most of the trouble comes from.

Where did the big front loader come from? Sounds like one of those heavy-duty mining machines. And how can mathematics be a subset of this universe if it can be used describe other possible universes? Seems to me more like a language which, like english, can be used to describe hypothetical or imaginary things. For example, things like God or the Big Front Loader.

2/7? Don’t make me laugh. 3/7 is the one true fraction: all other fractions are inferior, and their worshippers must be converted or annihilated.

Take down the crucifix, replace it with the HP-48.

(Only gods that can do RPN are worthy of worship).

Infidels, both of you!  Only the One True Slipstick can save you from the perils of expression syntax, split ends and dead batteries!

Plus, any replica of the One True Slipstick makes a FAR better melee weapon than an HP-48.  Great when rallies turn into riots.

Want to start a pool on how many posts before JAD shows up whining and peddling veggies or fruit?

2/7? Don’t make me laugh. 3/7 is the one true fraction: all other fractions are inferior, and their worshippers must be converted or annihilated.

But shouldn’t math courses teach the controversy?

“Want to start a pool on how many posts before JAD shows up whining and peddling veggies or fruit?”

I say 2.

Wrong again toejam. You obviously miss me. I do not whine, I spout.

Mathematics has nothing to do with the human condition. It exists independent of us. Godfrey Hardy recognized this and so do I. Our sole function in the infinite scheme of things is to figure out what the Big Front Loader did in order to make our ultimate appearance possible. It is a giant riddle and one worthy of my attention which is why I am interested in it. As to where BFL came from, that’s easy. He came from the same place the Big Bang came from - nowhere: piece of cake. I thought everybody knew that.

It’s hard to believe isn’t it?

How do you like them Concord grapes?

John A. Davison

Is Natural Selection a cause or an effect or both?

Actually davison you’ve just established that you can’t even count as high as two. jeffw’s post was the first post after Bob Maurus’s and before yours, and Sir Toejam’s post was the second post after Bob Maurus’s and before yours. You handed Sir Toejam the victory because you couldn’t count. insincerely,

Natural Selection is very real. It serves to prevent change by rigorously maintaining the status quo. That is why every chickadee looks like every other chickadee. Natural Selection is anti-evolutionary and always was. Even Natural selection, with very few exceptions, ultimately fails which results in extinction.

“Natural selection is a real factor in connection with mimicry, but its function is to conserve and render preponderant an ALREADY EXISTING LIKENESS, not to build up that likeness through the accumulation of small variations, as is so generally assumed.” Reginald C. Punnet, Mimicry in Butterflies, page 152 (my emphasis)

I hope that helps.

John A. Davison

Touche for a change.

jeffw Wrote:

But shouldn’t math courses teach the controversy?

Sure. If they’re only teaching your side, they should change the standards to teach the controversy. But if they already are teaching both sides, I shall lobby state assemblies to have only my side taught. 2/7 is a symbol of methodological naturalism and scientific materialism, which we are fighting against in order to reclaim the culture for 3/7. This is a conservative Threeseventhist country, afterall–we just don’t speak up enough. It’s you elitist, indoctrinated-by-your-higher-education Twoseventhists who are controlling what our children learn, however, and we can’t stand for that!

Or Twoseventhwimps, as Davison would say.

What we should teach in our schools is that a past evolution is undeniable and nobody has a clue as to how it took place, except of course that chance had absolutely nothing to do with it. That much is firmly established. Everything else is still conjecture but not for much longer. Trust me.

It’s hard to believe isn’t it?

How do you like them tangerines?

John A. Davison

Oh god, another blog… :)

Heaven Is Not The Sky http://www.alethian.org/wp/

The fact that the Darwimpians boycotted the hearings speaks volumes as to their insecurity. If they refuse to participate they should keep their traps shut. That goes for Panda’s Thumb too. If you can’t stand the heat stay out of Kansas.

Is math really dependant on the nature of the universe? Wouldn’t 2+2=4 be true in any other universe? If it would at what point was it fixed? The same time as the physical laws were fixed ( 10^-33 seconds or something like that after the BB)?

JAD “Wrong again toejam. You obviously miss me. I do not whine, I spout.

lol. you can’t count, either. my post was the second after the poll started. yours came right after.

I said it would be 2 posts after the poll started that you would post…

you are so predictable it’s scary.

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You’re all very clever with your math-worship, but you’ve completely missed the boat concerning my definition.

I definied a “supernatural event” as an event that is logically possible, but physically impossible, e.g., walking on water.

Someone lacking understanding retorted that mathematics falls into that category. Really? What’s physically impossible about mathematical equivalences? 2+2=4, for example, does not represent a physical impossibility?

Speaking of boycotts - How long have ID’ers been boycotting scientific journals?

I definied a “supernatural event” as an event that is logically possible, but physically impossible, e.g., walking on water.

Someone lacking understanding retorted that mathematics falls into that category. Really? What’s physically impossible about mathematical equivalences? 2+2=4, for example, does not represent a physical impossibility?

I’m afraid you are the one lacking understanding, or at least a math education. How about math that describes weird twisted spatial geometries for which there are no physical analogs? Or math that describes 11 dimensional objects? How about math that describes a perfect dodecahedron? Or aleph 1, aleph 2, and higher order infinities? The examples are too numerous list and constitute most of mathematics. Look them up or take a few math courses.

Mathematics can desribe all kinds of imaginary stuff that is logically consistent within it’s own framework of initial assumptions, just like english can (i.e. walking on water within the context of biblical mythology).

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Navy DAVY DAVEScot J.A. DAVIson DAVID Duncan

(any others?)

Is there a pattern here? Could someone run this through the Explanatory Filter to see if there’s a relationship between Daviness and evophobia?

Daves must be AntiSteves

Sir Toejam Wrote:

Posted by Sir_Toejam on May 8, 2005 11:31 AM (e) (s)

JAD “Wrong again toejam. You obviously miss me. I do not whine, I spout.

lol. you can’t count, either. my post was the second after the poll started. yours came right after.

I said it would be 2 posts after the poll started that you would post …

you are so predictable it’s scary.

I do believe JAD conceded you the point with

Posted by John A. Davison on May 8, 2005 06:56 AM (e) (s)

Touche for a change.

A new supercomputing cluster designed for the phylogenetic research community has been installed at the San Diego Supercomputer Center. The Cluster, a 16 node, 8-way Fusion A8 by Western Scientific, features a total of 128 Opteron processors each with 4 GB memory, for a total of 0.5 TB memory. The cluster was purchased with a grant from the National Science Foundation in support of the CyberInfrastructure for Phylogenetic Research project, a collaboration of biologists, computer scientists, statisticians and mathematicians at 19 institutions whose goal is to understand the evolutionary relationships between all living organisms.

(Sounds like an interesting project!)

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A team of scientists, led by researchers at Scripps Institution of Oceanography at the University of California, San Diego, has discovered an active underwater volcano near the Samoan Island chain. During a research cruise to study the Samoan hot spot, scientists uncovered a submarine volcano growing in the summit crater of another larger underwater volcano, Vailulu’u. Researchers explored the unique biological community surrounding the eruption site, and were amazed to find an “Eel City,” a community of hundreds of slithering eels.

(If you knew sushi like [somebody not me] knew sushi… )

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Henry

“In fact was he ever coherent?”

not that i saw. However, his publications prior to 1984 suggest he was at least at that time.

I just had another “discussion” with the office’s resident YEC fund-oid.

I was talking about Pagan stuff (bunk, the lot of it) and he started in on it in a sort of “One persons faith is trash and mine is golden” kinda thing. Saying that there is scientific evidence for Biblical events. (Flood geology, anyone?)

Well, sure there’s evidence that Jesus lived, there’s certainly a middle eastern culture with a history in the Bible… no question.

This brought me to the “Creator as Deceiver” argument. I mentioned that its funny how folks could believe the universe was so young when investigation overwelmingly shows otherwise. I suggested that literal interpretations of the Bible may be the misleading “evidence” in the case of the universe’s age.

“Those investigations are conducted by humans with human-made instruments.”

Oh… so when those instruments show Christ was real, they’re good science, when they suggest the local preacher has his head up his ass, its bad science.

I love my job.

Jeff,

Exactly!…You bring up the major hyprocrisy of Creationist.

When science and researched are in the name of medical research and used to save lives its all “good”.

When science and research are used to support Evolution, it’s all God-less crackpottery.