The National Public Radio website now has a set of articles up giving a historical perspective on trials concerning evolution and creation.
The entry point is “The Scopes Monkey Trial, 80 Years Later”.
The linked articles include “Timeline: Remembering the Scopes Monkey Trial by Noah Adams “, an audio report on “Echoes of Scopes Trial in Maryland by Barbara Bradley Hagerty”, and a report on “Scopes 2: Arkansas’ Creationism Trial by Jeffrey Katz”.
The last article links to the McLean v. Arkansas Documentation Project. There is some news there: a new member of the McLean Project, Jason Wiles, is in Arkansas this summer, and is collecting various of the materials on the Project wish list. The TalkOrigins Foundation is now providing financial support for the Project. Transcription charges don’t come cheap, so if you’d like to help, please use the donation button at the bottom of McLean Project main page.
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Reading SJ Gould’s testimony now. Good stuff!
Reading the McLean decision now. Good stuff!
I’ve never read it before and so far it’s great. I highly recommend it for those out there who haven’t.
(tried to post the direct mclean link on talkorigins but it wouldn’t let me)
It’s important that a lot of people read and understand the decision Judge William Overton wrote in McLean. That’s the decision that Francis Beckwith and other Discovery Institute favorites cite as having authorized the teaching of intelligent design.
They insist Overton said criticisms of evolution are good to teach. They keep missing that Overton said science criticisms are okay to teach. Rather than take the time to test their stuff in a lab to qualify it as science, however, they go before school boards misinterpreting what the decision says.
Sadly, few school board members have read the decision, either – they don’t know any better.
Read it and pass it along.
Listening to the piece resulted in a Google search which found a song dating back to the Scope trial:
The song from American Experience (It will automatically play it but it also has the lyrics written down.)
Or go for the sheet music copy.
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Huh. I thought Scalia’s dissent in Edwards v. Aguillard was more their cup of tea.
If the Beckwith article being referred to is this one, then Beckwith’s stance is better understood as saying that the McLean decision is inapplicable to attempts to rule out instruction in “intelligent design” rather than that it authorizes the teaching of “intelligent design”.
And, of course, Beckwith has to ignore the fact that “intelligent design” is simply the same corpus of tired old antievolution arguments employed by the “scientific creationists” of McLean with some editing applied. (‘But we didn’t play My Sweet Lord!’)
Of course, Dr. Beckwith may de-lurk and tell us whether he thinks the McLean decision authorizes ID instruction himself.
I found it interesting that in the Maryland discussion on NPR there was only one comment about really teaching evolution, while everyone else talked about the religious aspect of teaching anti-evolution. That segment makes clear that the only people supporting anti-evolution are Christians doing it for exclusively religious reasons. That segment could be played and used as evidence of what ID is all about.
Perhaps Beckwith should have, uh, read the decision first …
Regarding Overton’s decision and the “scientific theory of ID”:
From my website:
PLEASE, IDers, make this argument in Dover. PRETTY please, with sugar on it.
I’d prefer that Beckwith delurk and tell me why, if there is no scientific theory of ID, the ID movement refers to itself as … well . . the ID movement. Is it (1) IDers want to dishonestly claim all the benefits oif having an “alternative theory” without the liabilities of actually having to PRODUCE any, or (2) IDers want to preach their religious opinions without openly admitting that they are religious opinions, or (3) some other reason.
Oh, and if Beckwith wants to delurk, I’d still like him to (1) point me to any public statement by Howard Ahmanson wherein he repudiates any of the extremist views he has held for the past 20 years, (2) tell me which of his long-held views Ahmanson has NOT repudiated, and (3) why not.
But alas, I suspect that, like all other IDers, Beckwith is lethally allergic to answering direct questions.
Re “(1) It is guided by natural law; (2) It has to be explanatory by reference to nature law; (3) It is testable against the empirical world;”
I wonder if (1) and (2) might be subsets of (3), since “natural law” just means a principle that’s already been thoroughly tested empirically.
Another point that might be mentioned is that a prediction has to be deduced from a clearly stated hypothesis, and not merely something somebody associates with that hypothesis.
Henry
“I wonder if (1) and (2) might be subsets of (3)”
I’m with Henry on this one. I think there’s too much emphasis on insisting on naturalism as an axiom, when the basic scientific method of not talking shit by basing your opinions on fact=evidence and logic consequentially leads to all those restrictions about naturalism
snaxalotl, Re “I think there’s too much emphasis on insisting on naturalism as an axiom,”
Yeah. Imnsho, the “axiom” is that a hypothesis needs to be based on repeatable observations that produce a consistent pattern. Nothing in that about “natural” or “supernatural”, which imo aren’t much if any less vague than “design”, “intelligence” or “I.D.”. As far as I can tell all those terms are relative to current knowledge, and a hypothesis needs something more precise.
Henry
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