Evolution Schmevolution

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This is going to be good:

Science vs. Religion. Evolution vs. Creation. It is an age-old battle whose time has come. “The Daily Show with Jon Stewart” will gather together all the experts (or at least those who will talk to them), travel to the places that matter in the debate (basic cable budget permitting) and ultimately settle the controversy once and for all. “Evolution Schmevolution: A Daily Show Special Report” will premiere on Monday, September 12 and air nightly at 11:00 p.m. through September 15.

For one full week, “The Daily Show” goes in-depth, around, through and quite possibly under, one of the hottest hot-button issues facing our nation: evolution. It’s the accepted theory on the origin of life by an overwhelming majority of the world’s biologists, but maybe they’re all wrong. What’s so great about the scientific method anyway?

I’m going to be watching my television every night next week…except that I’m going to be in New York on Thursday. I wonder if I can get in to see it directly?


The series is running on basic cable through Thursday. If you don’t have cable, or are living in one of those countries that doesn’t get obscure American comedy programs, you can watch clips of the programs online.

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Interesting tag line:

P.S. – You’re next, gravity.

Oh no! I’m going to be in England. Hey, all you Angle and Saxon patrons of Panda’s Thumb: will I be able to watch the Daily Show over there?

This is good. The only proper (in my mind, at least) way to deal with anti-evolutionists is to ridicule them- ridicule them so harshly they shut up, if not commit suicide. (For those literal minded souls out there: this is a joke- I fully realize a better solution would be the establishment of camps where anti-evolutionists are worked to death preparing slides, bacterial cultures, etc, for us evilushionsts. For the FBI: this also is a joke.)

On the other hand, I expect to see a fair amount of anti-academic joking as well. Lets face it, Joe Sixpack in the street loves equally a joke at the expense of the religious or one directed at anyone that spent more time in school than mandated by law.

PS- I didn’t really mean that we should put them in labor camps. Anti-evolutionists probably would muck up the experiments. Just gas them outright. For UN observers: this is also a joke.

Russell - I’m in the UK at the moment - no sign of The Daily Show on terrestrial TV. I don’t think it’s on the regular satellite (Sky TV) either.

PZ: Ah! I bet you are going to see it in person - aren’t you… Like, very very close, uh? ;-) Punditocracy, move over!

I hadn’t heard of it and Yahoo’s UK and Ireland TV listing (including satellite channels) denies it exists on a search.

As panel participants, I would like to see 1. Professor Steve Steve 2. The FSM 3. Bill Dembski’s Darwin Doll 4. Ken Ham

The FSM may need an acolyte to translate. Hell, they all may need someone to translate.

Video clips of the daily show tend to, after a day or so, b posted up on the website . If one can’t catch the tv showings, I suggest giving it a look.

As I posted recently, concerning Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals number 5:

RULE 5: “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions.

Most fundies are loons, as well as being political/social/theological extremists. Most of their minions are uneducated semi-literates. Demonstrate this to the whole world, and let the whole world laugh at them. It’s hard for people to take demonstrated idiots seriously.

The Rev writes “Most fundies are loons, as well as being political/social/theological extremists. Most of their minions are uneducated semi-literates. Demonstrate this to the whole world, and let the whole world laugh at them. It’s hard for people to take demonstrated idiots seriously.”

Unless of course they are also loony semi-literates.

Anyone who watches Mr. Stewart’s show knows that this is VERY unlikely to disappoint. While not Voltaire, he routinely has more political insight than the more “serious” of the MSM punditocracy. Plus, he can be screamingly funny, I think a representative of the FSM might be a possibility.

If you have Bit Torrent you can also download episodes of The Daily Show here.

PZ,

You can probably get on the show as a guest.

Plug the proper blogs and of course talkorigins.org!

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Posted by DrJohn on September 7, 2005 09:59 PM (e) (s)

PZ,

You can probably get on the show as a guest.

While PZ’s a fine guy, tv is all about image. A bearded atheist in a lab coat? Perhaps we can pool our money and hire Paris Hilton in a bikini for a PR campaign.

“Evolution. It’s hot.”

And there are fringe benefits: the combination of Paris Hilton and evolution would give some of our fundamentalist opponents cerebral infarctions.

We could try shaving Dr. Meyers and putting him in a bikini?

I was going to say, if we really want to give the creationists cerebral infarctions, I can’t think of a more effective strategy than if I were to get a Brazilian, oil myself down, and walk onstage in a string bikini.

I want to see Stephen Colbert interview Kathy Martin.

Dembksi says that he will be on the Daily Show along with Ed Larson on monday.

You can get a weekly compilation on CNN International, it airs 21:30 CET.

I must check this out on the EPG as CNN international is on Sky.I assume the compilation will be at the end of the week maybe Friday ?

We can now receive a number of christian broadcasting stations here in the UK as well.Some are UK based (like Revelation TV, and the God channel,although it’s studios are abroad,and others are from the States eg.TBN,Daystar,and INI).I’ve noticed lately quite a few attacks on evolution.D.James Kennedy had one a couple of weeks ago (Coral Ridge hour airs on a Saturday at 3.00pm on TBN).I also listened to one of the most vicious attacks on science that I have ever heard a few nights ago from the victory in Jesus programme(Billy Joe and Sharon Daugherty).They had as their guest a guy from the University of Oklahoma,Professor Kevin Farmer (I had never heard of him before).All the usual arguements:Lots of flood geology,no transitional fossils,whale evolution is nonsense,why isn’t evolution happening today,no new species appearing,and, scientists say that life evolved from rocks (I think this is standard Hovind material).I have completed a number of science courses over the years,up to degree level,ranging from chemistry to astronomy and have yet to come across this in any of them.It will be interesting to see some people who can hopefully stand up to these people and show up creationism for what it is.

By the way my choice for the programme would be the cosmologist Professor Carlos Frenk (Durham University).I’ve heard him a few times on the sky at night(the BBC).A really excellent speaker, I reckon he would wipe the floor with Ken Ham and and co.

Checked the EPG. The Daily show ( global edition) airs in the UK/Ireland on Saturday, 8.30 pm on CNN International,Sky Digital channel 513

Peter, was this the Kevin Farmer you saw lying about evolution?

http://pharmacy.ouhsc.edu/facultyst[…]tyID=kfarmer

I think this seems to be the same guy Fu ling.It said on the programme that he was at present engaged in research for a local pharmaceutical company.Most of his delivery seemed to be standard Hovind material although the hosts appeared to be plugging AIG.Coming from someone so well educated I was shocked at some the things he was saying !

Sorry to have to ask, but what is The Daily Show and on what TV network does it appear?

Ken:I haven’t seen the show myself but here’s the description on the Sky epg(electronic programme guide):”Emmy award winning late night chat show with comic reports and sketches on American current affairs with satirist Jon Stewart”.It’s on CNN in the UK.

Ken, The Daily Show is only the best Fake News show around, and it’s on Comedy Central. IMO, their fake news can be a whole lot more legit than some of the real news out there, and the guests have included ex-presidents and sitting representatives.

I hope Dembski doesn’t get to be a guest! Even though Jon Stewart doesn’t pull any punches with a guest he doesn’t agree with, I think Dembski only deserves to be “interviewed” by Samantha Bee. Nothing ruins your message quite like a reporter pretending to hit on you. She’s so wonderfully vicious!

Hopefully when this series is done they can relegate ID to their regular This Week in God Segment.

For those not in the know, The Daily Show is a fake news program that’s shown on the basic cable channel ComedyCentral. Under the cover of humor and sarcasm, it’s the only news show that actually criticizes our government’s idiocy.

Sad, isn’t it?

Oh My Goodness, I can’t wait to see this. I’m gonna have to buy some blank tapes so I can record it.

The Daily Show is pretty awesome. Sometimes thought some of the stuff (political anyway) goes over my head.

But this should be good.

Ellie Crystal has her own website, where she talks about being on the Daily Show. It’s, uhhh, ‘out there’ to say the least.

Re Wesley’s Dover Waterloo cafepress stuff, I wonder how long it’ll be, before I see one of those white oval stickers saying “FSM” in black sans-serif? In Nerdville USA, aka the Triangle area, where people actually drive around with bumper stickers promoting Linux, Strongbad, etc, I bet it won’t be too long.

steve Wrote:

Re Wesley’s Dover Waterloo cafepress stuff, I wonder how long it’ll be, before I see one of those white oval stickers saying “FSM” in black sans-serif? In Nerdville USA, aka the Triangle area, where people actually drive around with bumper stickers promoting Linux, Strongbad, etc, I bet it won’t be too long.

My penguin head asplode that people might not have been touched by his noodly appendage yet. http://www.cafepress.com/venganza.29638747

The Kenosha Kid

Jason wrote: “William Dembski is either completely insane or he’s a bald-faced liar.”

Wasn’t he speaking for himself and not the ID community?

Re “Thaxton: “I have difficulty with common ancestry”, and when asked if he accepted the evolution of humans fro prehominids, he answered, “Personally I don’t, no””

Somebody should have asked if he thought he was descended from people that lived 1000 years ago.

When he says “yes” or “of course”, ask for evidence.

Henry

Tonight’s Daily Show would have been improved by dropping the pointless and rambling interview with Gweneth Paltrow.

Comment #48369

Posted by The Kenosha Kid on September 15, 2005 09:00 PM (e) (s)

steve wrote:

Re Wesley’s Dover Waterloo cafepress stuff, I wonder how long it’ll be, before I see one of those white oval stickers saying “FSM” in black sans-serif? In Nerdville USA, aka the Triangle area, where people actually drive around with bumper stickers promoting Linux, Strongbad, etc, I bet it won’t be too long.

My penguin head asplode that people might not have been touched by his noodly appendage yet. http://www.cafepress.com/venganza.29638747

The Kenosha Kid

Well, I am an atheist, and do not believe in flying pasta beings any more than I believe in vengeful bearded jewish sky gods. Interestingly, you can eat of the bodies of both gods. Though drinking of the blood of the christian one is better, because christ’s blood alcohol level was apparently around 20%.

A Chinese scientist visitng the US made the interesting comment: In China, you can can criticise Darwin but not the government. In the US you can criticise the government but not Darwin. Wonder who are the Inquisition and who are the Galileos today. Donate to the Red Cross? Sorry, can’t…my selfish genes took care of that…

Eugene Tan Wrote:

A Chinese scientist visitng the US made the interesting comment: In China, you can can criticise Darwin but not the government. In the US you can criticise the government but not Darwin.

Cute sound bite that’s been recycled for years. Too bad it’s wrong. Evolutionary biologists criticize Darwin every day, and have replaced many of his ideas. Alas, it’s still evolution. OTOH, pseudoscientific anti-evolutionists merely misrepresent Darwin, and evolution, and science itself, to unsuspecting students no less. And they do that because they know that they don’t have a prayer at an alternate theory.

We, the misnamed “Darwin-only crowd”, want students to ctiticize Darwin all they want, and criticize the critics, in the proper forum for best education of course. But note how anti-evolutionists conveniently avoid the criticism of the critics. IOW, we are still the “Galileos” and anti-evolutionists are the “Inquisition.”

And yes, I donated to the Red Cross.

We watch the Daily Show on a regular basis. The evolution series was hilarious.

Of course, that mysterious, apocryphal “visiting Chinese scientist” apparently was unaware that the Bolsheviks were as rabidly anti-Darwin as the creationists are. He was criticizing governmental oppression of thought – and as we have seen, it is evolution that is oppressed by government every time. More than 100 times since 1925 creationists/IDists have asked state legislatures to ban, water down, or stunt science in the classroom, specifically the teaching of evolution.

In contrast, not once has science asked that creationism be banned by fiat.

Each and every legal case was prompted by creationists’ illegal insertion into law, or illegal attempts to insert into classrooms, unscientific screeds against Darwin.

Love that flag, but be sure you’re right before charging on (no apologies necessary to Davy Crockett).

We, the misnamed “Darwin-only crowd”, want students to ctiticize Darwin all they want, and criticize the critics, in the proper forum for best education of course.

Don’t let the antievolutionists frame the debate as casting good science education as Darwin-only, when the reality is that we’re modestly “Science-only”, seeking to have things that have passed muster through the scientific process taught in science classes, and excluding those things which have not.

An oldy but goody: Intelligent Grappling

New Group Hopes To Break Monopoly On Gravity Theory

A Georgia group calling itself Teachers for Equal Time has asked that stickers be placed in all new physics textbooks which note that mutual attraction and relativity are not the only theories available to explain gravity and should not be taken as fact.

I’ll have to set my sky plus pvr to record the compilation tomorrow night.The show sounds good !

Eugene Tan remarked above about how the “selfish gene” would not allow him to donate to the Red Cross as a parody of typical fundamentalist attitude towards evolution–that it inspires immorality or prevents morality. He said:

Eugene Tan Wrote:

Donate to the Red Cross? Sorry, can’t…my selfish genes took care of that…

From being a Christian for a number of years, I feel I can safely say that it truly bothers these types that people can choose to develop morals as a burden of human conscience and reason, rather than being handed them on a tablet. They feel their worldview is threatened by the idea that atheists/agnostics/whatevers like us can choose altruism and display an equivalent degree of morality and ethics to their own. For them, just as “special creation” is a hallmark of God’s existence, “specially created/endowed morals” are a hallmark of His followers. Must suck for them to see creation explained naturalistically and morals too.

A Eugene Tan (maybe a different one) is attributed with some hate mail, ironically containing material condemning freedom of speech and expression, which he accuses evolutionary scientists of committing above with the China crap.

A Chinese scientist visitng the US made the interesting comment: In China, you can can criticise Darwin but not the government. In the US you can criticise the government but not Darwin.

I’d love to see a real quote… Because I actually have multiple friends that are chinese scientists (biologists, too). And one of the things they love about America is that you can criticize EVERYTHING. Including Darwin.

ed wrote:

Of course, that mysterious, apocryphal “visiting Chinese scientist” apparently was unaware that the Bolsheviks were as rabidly anti-Darwin as the creationists are. He was criticizing governmental oppression of thought — and as we have seen, it is evolution that is oppressed by government every time.

It is more complicated than that. Chinese scientist trained in the 1955-1980 or so period were given a strong antiDarwinian education but not antievolution. They were indoctrinated against “bourgiouse science” or the neoDarwinism as understood in the west, not against science. It was Mendelian genetics that was banned. I would not at all be surprised to still find in China today people who claim to be antiDarwinian but also have a sophisticated understanding of the evolutionary process. One really needs to understand what the author (if he exists) means by “Darwinism”.

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Eric Murphy Wrote:

So, if you take ID adherents at face value

But (apologies to Lou Christie) 2 faces has ID. One to pretend that it accommodates evolution, and one to misrepresent the heck out of it. The latter sends mesmerized audiences into the arms of YECs. Smarter audiences run to OECs. Those even smarter might get the joke and learn to sell the snake oil instead of buying it.

Eric Murphy Wrote:

Evidently the ID position is, if the mutation is beneficial, a designer did it; otherwise, it’s entropy.

And it only happens within a “kind.”

there must be a designer, because if something looks designed, it was designed, QED, cf Dembski and Behe

Not quite. The sequence actually goes: There IS a designer, therefore everything WAS designed, therefore it LOOKS designed, QED. After all, how would they know something looks designed, unless they already knew it was designed?

EB Wrote:

And it only happens within a “kind.”

Is that a Behe “kind,” of which there is only one on earth that includes all its life, a Nelson “kind,” which is approximately equivalent to “family,” or a Dembski “kind,” which is whatever you want it to be?

“Is that a Behe “kind,” of which there is only one on earth that includes all its life, a Nelson “kind,” which is approximately equivalent to “family,” or a Dembski “kind,” which is whatever you want it to be?

You’re too kind.

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