Alabama Rejects Textbooks Containing Evolution

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The Associated Press is reporting this morning that Alabama state textbook committee several textbooks because they contained information on evolution.

The state textbook committee Thursday recommended dozens of science textbooks to be approved by the state school board for Alabama students, but rejected three elementary-level books for containing material on evolution which was deemed “controversial” for that age group.

The books were considered supplementary readers, meaning they could not be used as the sole textbook in the science curriculum, said Ron Dodson, a member of the committee, who presented the recommendations to the school board.

Each of the three elementary books rejected contained “controversial material at a grade level that is not developmentally ready for such controversial material,” according to a series of Sept. 28 memos sent to school board members. The books also didn’t meet the state’s science guidelines and were not “appropriate for the maturity level of the age group” they were targeting, the memos said.

The book “Geologic Time” (Perfection Learning Company) was rejected for an illustrated diagram that shows humans evolving from apes. Similarly, “Reptiles” (Heinemann-Raintree Classroom), incorporates two pages on reptiles evolving from amphibians. “Orangutan” (Heinemann-Raintree Classroom) discusses natural selection – a key part of the evolutionary theory.

In addition the committee has recommended that textbooks still contain a disclaimer.

The committee made its recommendations with the stipulation that high school biology textbooks would continue to carry a disclaimer which describes evolution as “a controversial theory” in the first paragraph and says in the second paragraph that any statement about the origin of life is “not fact.”

The purpose of the disclaimer is to give room to teachers who want to discuss alternative theories, namely creationism.

In addition it looks like some board members want textbooks to contain creationism.

However, after the meeting, school board member Betty Peters said she had hoped to see the textbooks discuss alternative theories of life, including creationism and intelligent design, in addition to evolution. She said that despite the disclaimer, many teachers are still afraid to teach about theories that are not included in textbooks. …

“I’m not saying advocate it, just open it for discussion,” Peters said.

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That post should have a little music playing in the background: the black eye’d peas’ “Let’s get retarded”

Betty Peters said she had hoped to see the textbooks discuss alternative theories of life, including creationism and intelligent design, in addition to evolution. She said that despite the disclaimer, many teachers are still afraid to teach about theories that are not included in textbooks.…

Whereupon the reporter asked her, have you read a newspaper in like, i don’t know, 20 years?

Dover and Alabama are engaged in a game of dueling banjoes.

Isn’t it somewhat telling that this is happening in what is arguably the dumbest state in the union?

Christians shouldn’t pretend that science isn’t real.

Case Study Number 1:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051031[…]tBHNlYwM3MTY

WACO, Texas - A pastor performing a baptism was electrocuted inside his church Sunday morning after grabbing a microphone while partially submerged, a church employee said. The Rev. Kyle Lake, 33, was standing in water up to his shoulder in a baptismal at University Baptist Church when he was electrocuted, said Jamie Dudley, a church business administrator and wife of another pastor there. … Pastors at University Baptist Church routinely use a microphone during baptisms, Dudley said. “He was grabbing the microphone so everyone could hear,” Dudley said. “It’s the only way you can be loud enough.”

“WACO, Texas - A pastor performing a baptism was electrocuted inside his church Sunday morning after grabbing a microphone while partially submerged, a church employee said.”

Don’t know why they would be upset, after all, God just called him home. God obviously had other plans for him. /shrug

obviously a candidate for a Darwin award…

http://www.darwinawards.com

/snark off…

Mr/ms. Bouffant gave me an idea of how to promote evolution to the masses and that would be an evolution C.D. Im sure lots of you science-nerds-who-never-had-a-real-life have listened to an avagadro’s# worth of songs and could help flush out a worthwhile disc. For starters: Big Gorilla (Warren Zevon), Apeman (Kinks) and Monkey Man (Toots & the Maytals). Perhaps even Lenny????..nah he probably prefers the Moron Tabernacle Choir.

Registered User Wrote:

Christians shouldn’t pretend that science isn’t real.

Case Study Number 1:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051031/ap_on_re_us/

WACO, Texas - A pastor performing a baptism was electrocuted inside his church Sunday morning after grabbing a microphone while partially submerged, a church employee said.…

God speaks in mysterious ways. I think this time God was saying, “buy a cordless microphone.”

God speaks in mysterious ways. I think this time God was saying, “buy a cordless microphone.”

Betty Peters: What difference would that make?

The book “Geologic Time” (Perfection Learning Company) was rejected for an illustrated diagram that shows humans evolving from apes.

I assume this figure doesn’t show a human evolving from a modern ape. Anybody seen it?

And speaking of illustrations, here is one dedicated to Betty “Ahm Ah Stoopid Idgit” Peters, which shows the “intelligent design” model for the evolution of the genes encoding the bacterial flagella:

———————–

Bacterial genome before flagellum ===>

POOF!

===> Bacterial genome plus all the flagellar genes and all the signal transduction pathway genes which encode proteins used to control flagellar motion and chemotaxis

———————–

Copyright 2005, Registered User

Note: In the actual figure, the “POOF” is scratch ‘n’ sniffable aso the excited student will discover a faint aroma of myrhh upon rubbing his or her fingernail across the text.

The state motto here in Alabama is “Thank God for Mississippi”. Thanks to Mississippi, Alabama only ranks second-last in most important quality of life measures, such as education. Still, Judge Roy Moore is a formidable candidate for governor; his Republican opponent tried to raise taxes (only Mississippi’s are more regressive or inadequate), and his most likely Democratic challenger was recently indicted in ethics charges…

I will say this, though. Taxes are low. Two or three school districts are outstanding (in the state). And if you don’t like what the public schools are doing (see the Onion), you have a very large selection of private and home schools to choose from, all of which are run entirely by REAL Christians, not them liberal Yankee Christians.

Is it too late to let Alabama secede?

The state textbook committee Thursday recommended dozens of science textbooks to be approved by the state school board for Alabama students, but rejected three elementary-level books for containing material on evolution which was deemed “controversial” for that age group.

I wonder which age groups evolution is not considered too controversial for.

I wonder which age groups evolution is not considered too controversial for.

Ask Slaveador Cordova. He’s an expert at determining when the human brain is still soft enough to be washed productively.

R.U.

The Parents just don’t want to deal with niggly little questions like

“Mommy, why didn’t god tell GWB to build an Ark for all those people in New Orleans ?”

“Is it true the Great Wall of China was built by dragons ?”

You know, easy stuff like 1. God lost GWB’s phone number. 2. Yes.

Since when was controversial redefined to mean “something me and my Jeebus-loving friends don’t like”?

As Flint Says, low taxes. Teaching creationism is sufficiently cheap enough for all peasants to have an education. I suspect that the local captains of industry and the Pastor’s children will have absolutely first-rate education and medical services. Perhaps it should be explained to the peasants that too much actual knowledge is dangerous for them. *THAT* will make them feel better.

Rustopher.

Is it too late to let Alabama secede?

no joke:

http://www.christianexodus.org/

Jim Jones second comming

Im sure lots of you science-nerds-who-never-had-a-real-life have listened to an avagadro’s# worth of songs and could help flush out a worthwhile disc. For starters: Big Gorilla (Warren Zevon), Apeman (Kinks) and Monkey Man (Toots & the Maytals). Perhaps even Lenny????..nah he probably prefers the Moron Tabernacle Choir.

Actually, I’ve had songs published in the IWW’s Little Red Songbook. ;>

Each of the three elementary books rejected contained “controversial material at a grade level that is not developmentally ready for such controversial material,”

Thereby admitting that creationism is fit only for the childish and the ignorant, and that anyone with ability will eventually grow out of it. .

Interesting that they are advertising “Hurricane-Proof” homes at the Christian Exodus website. Presumably when they have created their own Bantustan these won’t be neccessary as the faithful will be able to call on God to steer hurricanes away from South Carolina. Come to think of it God can’t really like the Deep South that much since that’s where he sends the hurricane in the first place; and spares all the Sodomites in California and New England.

As Flint Says, low taxes. Teaching creationism is sufficiently cheap enough for all peasants to have an education. I suspect that the local captains of industry and the Pastor’s children will have absolutely first-rate education and medical services. Perhaps it should be explained to the peasants that too much actual knowledge is dangerous for them. *THAT* will make them feel better.

One of my favorite lines in Dickens, because it is so terrible and so telling, is from “A Christmas Carol”: “The stairs were dark; but darkness was cheap, and Scrooge liked it.”

If we’re gonna collect tunes for the “human evolution” compilation, there’s no way we can leave out Elvis Costello’s “Monkey to Man”.

the pro from dover wrote: “Mr/ms. Bouffant gave me an idea of how to promote evolution to the masses and that would be an evolution C.D. Im sure lots of you science-nerds-who-never-had-a-real-life have listened to an avagadro’s# worth of songs and could help flush out a worthwhile disc.”

Jefferson Airplane had a song, “Crown of Creation”:

You are the Crown of Creation You are the Crown of Creation and you’ve got no place to go.

Soon you’ll attain the stability you strive for in the only way that it’s granted in a place among the fossils of our time.

In loyalty to their kind they cannot tolerate our minds. In loyalty to our kind we cannot tolerate their obstruction.

Life is Change How it differs from the rocks I’ve seen their ways too often for my liking New worlds to gain My life is to survive and be alive for you.

Can’t the United States give aid to underdeveloped Third World Countries like Alabama?

Re “Is it too late to let Alabama secede?”

Hey, one of my brothers lives there! Oh well.

Henry

Each of the three elementary books rejected contained “controversial material at a grade level that is not developmentally ready for such controversial material,” according to a series of Sept. 28 memos sent to school board members.

Wait, I thought we learned from Dover that you need to teach the controversy. Or does that apply only to high school students? Teach the kiddies nothing whatsoever in elementary school and junior high, then throw every conceivable theory at them in high school?

Wait, I thought we learned from Dover that you need to teach the controversy. Or does that apply only to high school students?

We only need to teach the controversy where there IS a controversy, which is where evolution is taught, forcing the creationists to gin up a controversy. Where it is NOT taught, there is no controversy, so the usual church attendance, Sunday school, and bible school are sufficient.

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spares all the Sodomites in California

naw, we get all the fires, floods, and earthquakes instead.

Plus, he inflicted Arnold as gubernator on us.

:p

The new Hym for Alabama

“All Things Dull And Ugly” from Monty Python’s Contractual Obligations Album All things dull and ug-ly, All creatures, short and squat, All things rude and na-sty, The Lord God made the lot. Each little snake that poisons, Each little wasp that stings, He made their prudish venom, He made their horrid wings. All things sick and cancerous, All evil great and small, All things foul and dangerous, The Lord God made them all. Each nasty little hornet, Each beastly little squid, Who made the spiky urchin? Who made the sharks? He did! All things scant and ulcerous, All pox both great and small, Putrid, foul and gangrenous, The Lord God made them all. Amen.

Come to think of it God can’t really like the Deep South that much since that’s where he sends the hurricane in the first place

Actually, as the latest hurricane was passing over Florida, I heard a meteorologist from, I think, Idaho (a former TV meteorologist, IIRC) declaring, in all seriousness, that the hurricanes are being guided by the Japanese mafia (the Yakuza), using a weather-control machine that they purchased from the Russians (it uses microwave technology developed by Tesla) to steer the hurricanes towards US cities as revenge for Hiroshima. Alas, several nations, including the US and UK, also have this technology, so all the ‘weather aircraft’ and ships that you see gathering around hurricanes are not really there to STUDY it – they are there to try to steer it where they want it to go.

So there you have it.

No WONDER the rest of the world laughs at the US.

A musical nod to the other side;

“They tell us that We lost our tails Evolving up From little snails. I say it’s all Just wind in sails. Are we not men? We are Devo. Are we not men? D-E-V-O.”

;>

between monkey to man and the guiness commercial not to mention the pastor-who-forgot-ben franklin this hasn’t been a bad week. What CD is that song from? Any other entries?

hhehehehehehehe here’s one

The Galaxy Song from the “Meaning of Life”

http://www.mwscomp.com/sounds/mp3/galaxy.mp3

Whenever life get you down, Mrs. Brown And things seem hard or tough And people are stupid, obnoxious or daft And you feel that you’ve had quite enu-hu-hu-huuuuff . … . . So remember, when you’re feeling very small and insecure How amazingly unlikely is your birth And pray that there’s intelligent life somewhere up in space Because there’s bugger all down here on Earth

boom boom

.… Each little wasp that stings, He made their prudish venom, He made their horrid wings. ….Each nasty little hornet.….

Hey, now you’re picking on some of my favorite critters!

Well, I like rabbits :)

But seriously if one is to accept natural theology/creationism then every single thing must be accepted as created. While science can neither disprove nor prove a supernatural creator, science can say that supernatural forces do not act on nature. So to accept a supernatural creator all the creationists need to say is the whole damn thing is supernatural. I can see where they get their crackpot morality from if that is their view. The created ones can have their created cake but they must invoke the creator to eat it too the only thing divine about that process is that they must thank the creator for the cake.

.…that brings to mind the Hindu greeting “Namasthe”

Where the hands are placed together and the head is bowed as an act of humility when greeting one another.’The God in me greets the God in you The Spirit in me meets the same Spirit in you’

The whole act of Namasthe communicates to the world, YOU AND I ARE ONE. I SALUTE YOU AND HONOR THE GOD WITHIN YOU, WHICH IS A MIRROR IMAGE OF MYSELF.

A similar entreaty is performed at the Catholic Mass. The Church of England is experimenting with positive religious teachings outside of the ‘normal’ reference.

http://www.qca.org.uk/1592_2516.html

We will see more of this, even outside the bible belt, as long as evolutionists maintain their hubris in claiming macroevolution as a fact. In maintaining their anti-intellectual stance, they encourage the anti-intellectual dopes on the other side to step up their actions. Stupidity begets…

We should not teach macroevolution as fact, and should allow dissenting views, including ID. Muahahaha.

Seeker I said God in you not stupidity

seeker Wrote:

We should not teach macroevolution as fact

Assuming you’re not simply parodying an IDer, can you provide me with a definition of what macroevolution is? I warn you, I will expect you to stick to it.

seeker Wrote:

We should allow dissenting views, including ID.

Are you ready to accept the teaching of Pastafarism, Hindu creation and Scientology’s dissenting views in science? If so, why? If not, why do you propose to make an exception for your particular kind of religion? Anticipating your most likely answer, if you think ID is science, please provide us with its main hypothesis, and a possible test to falsify it, please - that is the abre minimum needed to make it science.

Hope that helps,

Grey Wolf

Grey Wolf said

Assuming you’re not simply parodying an IDer

This is the subtitle of Seeker’s web site: “Christian perspectives on living, worship, worldviews and politics” I don’t think he’s parodying anything.

Seeker is not parodying anything except of course the obvious, himself.

Nicely picked up, Red Mann. I and I boldly assume Grey Wolf seem to place science and no-superstitious religion above politics not a good tactic. Back to the “Art of War” for more answers in history.

Red Mann Wrote:

This is the subtitle of Seeker’s web site: “Christian perspectives on living, worship, worldviews and politics” I don’t think he’s parodying anything.

I assume he is not parodying - that is why my post was geared towards an IDier (the basic “show me what you are talking about”). Thing is, that maniacal laugh at the end threw me off, so that’s why I included a disclaimer.

Hope that helps,

Grey Wolf

K.E. in comment #54548 touches on something that I’ve wondered about regarding criticism of ID: if ID purports to distinguish between something that is designed and something that is NOT designed, that assumes the existence of a class of things that are “NOT designed”. Doesn’t the Bible teach that God created ALL things? Shouldn’t “design” be detectable in everything, everywhere, everywhen?

Is this discrepancy a worthwhile criticism of ID, or have I missed their “explanation” of it?

Joe Wrote:

Doesn’t the Bible teach that God created ALL things? Shouldn’t “design” be detectable in everything, everywhere, everywhen?

(the following should be read dripping with sarcasm)

No, of course not. God let natural processes create everything that doesn’t live (viruses are alive and not alive. God created it but really were created by the Devil). However, he’s a complete incompetent and His natural processes were not able to create life because this universe He created is just a second rate job, so He had to drop by in the Precambrian to design the flagella, and again 6000 years ago when he exterminated all those bloody apes that looked too much like humans so they were not confused with the ex profeso creation of humankind - except that fossils remained and now we can tell where the ape fossils stop and the human fossils start. I mean, sheesh, isn’t that *obvious*?

(Sarcasm over)

Hope that helps,

Grey Wolf, who as a Christian I’m probably even more offended by creationists than atheists are - they also insult my belief system (apart from science, which we share).

PD: I don’t think I can parody them better than that. The sheer lack of logic must be somwe kind of knack which I simply don’t have the ability to reproduce

Grey Wolf Beat me to it. Faith precludes detecting design otherwise faith is called into question on specifics. If the Bible says God created ALL things then the only question left is, does God create NOW? A question I am not ambivalent about since the only theology that makes sense to me is Zen. Political-theology ebbs and flows on natural theology/creationism it can ebb when Galileo is finally let off the hook in our lifetime by the Catholic Church after 350 years or stay where it was 900 years ago (or now WRT Xian etc) when the radical Mullahs let their ego take over and declared all knowledge (scientific revelation) against the Word of God thus deadening Islam and Arabian science/medicine with which they were world leaders around 1100-1200 AD. Therein lies the problem, I think, in that the creationists and any fundamentalists for that matter assign god an ego that matches their own in their almost desperate hold onto their finite self view of reality. If Christ tried to teach anything it was not to remain ignorant.

How bout a devolution song… Nothing but Flowers (Talking Heads)

Here we stand Like an Adam and an Eve Waterfalls The Garden of Eden Two fools in love So beautiful and strong The birds in the trees Are smiling upon them From the age of the dinosaurs Cars have run on gasoline Where, where have they gone? Now, it’s nothing but flowers

There was a factory Now there are mountains and rivers you got it, you got it

We caught a rattlesnake Now we got something for dinner we got it, we got it

There was a shopping mall Now it’s all covered with flowers you’ve got it, you’ve got it

If this is paradise I wish I had a lawnmower you’ve got it, you’ve got it

Years ago I was an angry young man I’d pretend That I was a billboard Standing tall By the side of the road I fell in love With a beautiful highway This used to be real estate Now it’s only fields and trees Where, where is the town Now, it’s nothing but flowers The highways and cars Were sacrificed for agriculture I thought that we’d start over But I guess I was wrong

Once there were parking lots Now it’s a peaceful oasis you got it, you got it

This was a Pizza Hut Now it’s all covered with daisies you got it, you got it

I miss the honky tonks, Dairy Queens, and 7-Elevens you got it, you got it

And as things fell apart Nobody paid much attention you got it, you got it

I dream of cherry pies, Candy bars, and chocolate chip cookies you got it, you got it

We used to microwave Now we just eat nuts and berries you got it, you got it

This was a discount store, Now it’s turned into a cornfield you got it, you got it

Don’t leave me stranded here I can’t get used to this lifestyle

Or a good dino song… Walking in Your Footsteps (The Police)

Walking In Your Footsteps Fifty million years ago You walked upon the planet so Lord of all that you could see Just a little bit like me

Walking in your footsteps

Hey, Mr. Dinosaur, you really couldn’t ask for more You were God’s favorite creature, but you didn’t have a future

Walking in your footsteps

Hey mighty brontosaurus, don’t you have a lesson for us You thought your rule would always last There were no lessons in your past You were built three stories high They say you would not hurt a fly If we explode the atom bomb they would say that we were dumb

Walking in your footsteps

Fifty million years ago They walked upon the planet so They live in a museum It’s the only place you’ll see ‘em

Walking in your footsteps

They say the meek shall inherit the earth

Walking in your footsteps

Is this discrepancy a worthwhile criticism of ID, or have I missed their “explanation” of it?

You are quite correct.

I have often asked IDers to (1) show me something biological they think was designed, (2) show me something biological they think was NOT designed, and (3) show me how they can tell.

Never got any intelligible answer.

now ive got a total of 10 songs for my evolution CD with these 2 Alley Oop (Hollywood Argyles) and Mammal (They might Be Giants) any others? Kudos to all who have contributed! TPFD.

We should not teach macroevolution as fact

No, we should, because it is. See http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/ The hubris is all yours for insisting that something isn’t fact just because you aren’t aware of it.

and should allow dissenting views, including ID

Dissenting views, including ID, are allowed – you are allowed to make your claims, right here. But misleading and miseducating our children in public schools should not be allowed.

Hey pro, here’s another Talking Heads song. David Byrne wrote quite a few songs about evolution, in fact he wrote a whole album, Naked. It even has a chimpanzee on the cover. It has been one of my favorite albums since it came out.

The Facts Of Life Lyrics(Talking Heads)

Mon key see and mon key do Ma king ba bies, ea ting food Smel ly things, pu bic hair Words of lo ve, in the air Sparks fly, shoo ting out Ma king sure that eve ry thing is wor king I can’t turn you down We are pro grammed hap py lit tle chil dren Mat ter o ver mind We can not re sis so I won’t fight it Love is a ma chine Love is a ma chine without a dri ver The facts of life The facts of life A masterpiece Biology Smokey water Air conditioned Boys ‘n’ girls And automation Chromosomes Designer jeans Chimpanzees And human beings Machines of love Machines of love Strong in body, strong in mind A love machine with the facts of life The facts of life The facts of life So much sex ‘n’ violence Must be a bad design We’re stupid to be fighting Every night The monsters we create They welcome us aboard The best in advertising From coast to coast The girls and boys combine Like monkeys in the zoo The clouds have silver linings Looks pretty good People fall in love like in fairy tales I’m not sure I like, what they can do I’m afraid that God has no master plan He only takes – what he can use Factory life, ice cream & pie Factory life Someday we’ll live on Venus And men will walk on Mars But we will still be monkeys Down deep inside If chimpanzees are smart Then we will close our eyes And let our instincts guide us Oh oh oh oh no

I’ve been told that one of the curriculium committee appointed by the governor has claimed in a committee meeting that the Russians can control hurricanes with technology seized at the end of WWII. Apparantly he got the idea from an Idaho weatherman.

This has got to be the best musical answer to creationism ever.

The Word of God

Lyrics and melody © 1994 by Catherine Faber

From desert cliff and mountaintop we trace the wide design, Strike-slip fault and overthrust and syn and anticline… We gaze upon creation where erosion makes it known, And count the countless aeons in the banding of the stone. Odd, long-vanished creatures and their tracks & shells are found; Where truth has left its sketches on the slate below the ground. The patient stone can speak, if we but listen when it talks. Humans wrote the Bible; God wrote the rocks.

There are those who name the stars, who watch the sky by night, Seeking out the darkest place, to better see the light. Long ago, when torture broke the remnant of his will, Galileo recanted, but the Earth is moving still. High above the mountaintops, where only distance bars, The truth has left its footprints in the dust between the stars. We may watch and study or may shudder and deny, Humans wrote the Bible; God wrote the sky.

By stem and root and branch we trace, by feather, fang and fur, How the living things that are descend from things that were. The moss, the kelp, the zebrafish, the very mice and flies, These tiny, humble, wordless things—how shall they tell us lies? We are kin to beasts; no other answer can we bring. The truth has left its fingerprints on every living thing. Remember, should you have to choose between them in the strife, Humans wrote the Bible; God wrote life.

And we who listen to the stars, or walk the dusty grade, Or break the very atoms down to see how they are made, Or study cells, or living things, seek truth with open hand. The profoundest act of worship is to try to understand. Deep in flower and in flesh, in star and soil and seed, The truth has left its living word for anyone to read. So turn and look where best you think the story is unfurled. Humans wrote the Bible; God wrote the world.

There’s an MP3 at http://www.prometheus-music.com/audio/wordgod.mp3

if I understand the I.D. proposition, I could answer Lenny by saying obviously my right knee was created but my left knee evolved which explains why it looks like a grapefruit.

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