Behe Blasted on Peer Review

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During the cross examination of Michael Behe in the Dover trial, he was questioned about whether the peer review process for his book, Darwin’s Black Box, was as rigorous as for a scholarly article in a refereed journal. He replied that it was even more rigorous. That led to an exchange that seriously impeached the credibility of Behe’s testimony. I have one report on it here and John Lynch has another report on it here.

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I don’t understand why a work of fiction would be peer reviewed? Wouldn’t the author just have an editor?

PWNED” is a much more descriptive a verb than “blasted.”

Australian scientists are fighting back.

They’re producing an open letter that unequivocally states Intelligent Design is not science and must not be taught in science classrooms.

The open letter, signed by a host of Australian scientists and science educators, will appear in national newspapers tomorrow.

http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stor[…]s1486827.htm

This is absolutely priceless. I don’t think you could have made a better story up.

The rigorous process of discussing the book over the phone. Perfect.

For a Christian, Behe sure does seem comfortable with lying.

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What a freaking moron, this clueless Behe is!!!!!

Shame on Lehigh!!!! Shame on Lehigh!!!! Something stinks in Lehigh!!!!!

Behe shames the Discovery Institute and shames Christianity and shames Dover with his lying under oath.

bill Wrote:

I don’t understand why a work of fiction would be peer reviewed? Wouldn’t the author just have an editor?

Ask Norman Doering.

K.E. Wrote:

The open letter, signed by a host of Australian scientists and science educators, will appear in national newspapers tomorrow.

http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/s1486827.…

Interesting article, I see they worked the Wedge Document in. Is the Paul Davies they are interviewing the same one who is a Templeton prize winner?

Behe shames the Discovery Institue…

Impossible.

For a Christian, Behe sure does seem comfortable with lying.

My understanding is that anything *intended* to forward the interests of the faith (whether it does or not) cannot be lie. It might be false, it might be known to be false, but lying is a matter of intent. Attempting to trick people into the faith (or trick them into staying in the faith) may not be the preferred method, but only the intent matters.

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Someone please fix that.

Norman

Crikey a REAL scientist !!

http://aca.mq.edu.au/PaulDavies/about/cv.htm

Enough said.

Well, maybe Behe was just trying to apply consistent review standards.

He thinks Atchinson gave “Darwin’s Black Box” the same level of in-depth review Behe himself gives all the papers on the evolution of “irreducibly complex” systems, before concluding they are simply unconvincing and not “detailed enough” for his taste.

AB wrote

…in-depth review Behe himself gives all the papers on the evolution of “irreducibly complex” systems, before concluding they are simply unconvincing and not “detailed enough” for his taste.

Thats because HE made up the word and HE is the only person that UNDERSTANDS it.

He says no-one understands HIM.

And mentions the Big Bang, Easter Island ON THE FRIGGIN WITNESS STAND !!

A perfect example of crackpot science

Behe doesn’t understand himself and that is lunatic fringe.. crackpot religion!

Does anyone have any sense of what the actual judge in this case is making of Behe’s somewhat confused testimony? From what I’ve seen (which isn’t much), it’s usually a bad idea to bore the judge, and then make factually incorrect statements… if, in fact, the judge realizes that they are factually incorrect.

Behe has just done an untold amount of damage to the ID movement. The last ID proponent who has any shred of credibility has just made himself look like a clown in the most public way he possibly could. Do are there any ID kooks left who actually have any credibility anymore?

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O’Donnell…are there any ID kooks left who actually have any credibility anymore…

Presenting IDc Trek - The New Generation None other than our own Sal’zo Panza. There’s always plenty of duped folks willing to go ourt and join battle; while the fatcats sit back and count their royalties.

responding to: “why a work of fiction would be peer reviewed? Wouldn’t the author just have an editor?”

Bayesian Bouffant said: “Ask Norman Doering.”

Believe it or not, peer review sites are one way screenplay writers try to break into Hollywood screen writing.

I have two screenplays up at this site: http://www.triggerstreet.com

They are: “A Blog from Hell” and “Planet of Doom”

The site is in part sponsored by Kevin Spacey.

I review the work of other wnnabe screenwriters and they review mine and higher scored scripts get read by industry pros who make movies.

You ID proponents / Apologetics can jump in at any time.…

*Crickets chirping*

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*sound of bell in the distance*

I wonder if the judge is reading Mike Argento. Mike seems to have a real knack for boiling down hours and hours of boring detailed testimony into the gist of what is said.

I didn’t think ole Pancho had any credibility to begin with though.

I wonder if the judge is reading Mike Argento. Mike seems to have a real knack for boiling down hours and hours of boring detailed testimony into the gist of what is said.

Yes Argento is doing a smashing job, and I think the York Daily Record is in general doing a better job of coverage than most of the majors.

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You think that’s funny.

Wait till you here this one; Only a third of the people who hear this stuff believe in Darwinian evolution. Most believe in some form of creationism (at least as far as human beings go).

http://www.unl.edu/rhames/courses/c[…]vol-poll.htm http://www.religioustolerance.org/ev_publi.htm

Still funny?

Less than half of the United States believes that the theory of evolution is supported by the evidence. You want to blame this educational disaster on the religious right? The Intelligent Design movement? And still laught at them?

Another question to ask people isn’t whether they believe in “evolution” but whether they think it’s relevat to their lives and if they even care.

O’Donnell…are there any ID kooks left who actually have any credibility anymore…

None of them had any credibility in the first place except to their own tribe. Their horizon just clashed with ours and they will lick their wounds and try for another “Bonfire of the Vanities” again and again.

Theology/philosophy has been faced with the problem since the beginning of consciousness on how to deal with the temporal and spiritual world of man.

There are great stories going back to the Ancient Hindu Vedas of 12,000 years ago right down the Internet of Today.

Which strangely enough echo the Hindu creation tale of the Gods and the anti Gods who were fighting an eternal war. They decided to have a cease fire and and churn the Milky Ocean for its butter of immortality. They took the Cosmic Mountain and wrapped the Cosmic Snake around it with the gods at one end and the anti-gods at the other end and churned it around and around. After a 1000 years a poisonous black cloud came out of the waters and they had to stop. They had broken through to a huge source of power and were unable to continue until the poison was dealt with. They knew one of them would have to swallow the cloud and Shiva was the only one among them who could do it. Shiva gulped down the poisonous cloud in one go and held it in his neck through his power of yoga. His neck turned blue as result. What a guy !! The gods continued churning until the moon, the sun and an 8 trunked elephant came out of the ocean and continued until a golden vessel filled with ambrosial butter appeared.

The “dichotomy problem” is not going to go away.

The Catholic Church is training new Priests in Exorcism although the comment I read in the newspaper last week was “Most people just want to be listened to” even so the magical element is still current and to some people more relevant than others. Of course that is but one tiny part of the story.

The argument will keep repeating ad infinitum.

I’m not even going to try to expound on this except to say vaguely Man/Woman/Humans/Geniuses to Rednecks and pizza boys/girls have a pathological (that might be too strong a word I don’t mean to offend) i.e. built in need to connect with collective spiritual stories which explain the “why” of life- decode the dreams etc etc

The kooks are extreme versions of that need and I wish it were otherwise but even a great flood wouldn’t see the end of them so a little magnanimity is in order.

So Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s and unto God what is God’s

and bugger off and find your own.

Dang missed a word

…and bugger off and find your own STORY

I would expect another assault on reason in another eighteen to twenty years, 2005-1987=18. Eighteen also happens to be the voting age, so once the anti-reasonists grow another crop of ignorati, they will feel prepared for another political assault.

James may be correct Further for anyone who found “Lord of The Rings” wanting treat yourself to “The Hero with a Thousand Faces” by Joseph Campbell here is his bio http://www.jcf.org/about_jc.php

Norman

Less than half of the United States believes that the theory of evolution is supported by the evidence. You want to blame this educational disaster on the religious right? The Intelligent Design movement? And still laught at them?

Yes, yes and YES!!!!!

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Ridicule and shame on liars, junk peddlers and the rubes who eat it up. Creationism will go the way of racism – underground, except for those rare moments when rich privileged white idiots can’t help themselves.

Next on the chopping block: mainstream anti-gay bigotry.

Good night fundies!!!! It was nice knowin’ ya!!!!

I spit on Dobson’s political grave.

Gee User That is the sort of thing I would expect to find on Demksi’s site science triumphalism will help no-one. You just play into their hands by doing that old boy.

That’s why I choose the handle “God” because it would reassure everyone on this forum that I am not a Christian nut.

still a nut

The new developments in this area have been intresting. It looks like Behe was correct in the number of peer reviewers, the question is, were they as rigrous as a typical peer reviewer? It all seems pretty debateable and subjective, but first indications seem to support the belief that Behe probably lied.

The new developments in this area have been intresting. It looks like Behe was correct in the number of peer reviewers, the question is, were they as rigrous as a typical peer reviewer? It all seems pretty debateable and subjective, but first indications seem to support the belief that Behe probably lied.

No kidding.

god Wrote:

I still can’t understand why Eugene Lai has so much trouble with the concept of proving somethings possible And I still can’t understand why you can’t see that you don’t need evidence to outline a possiblity, because your not actually claiming the possible scenario happened.

Because you are a stupid piece of dirt who still has not answer where your “whole number possibility” comes from.

Eugene Lai

Why bother, I’ve long since realised your not intrested in listening, you’ve consitently refused to understand my rather simply assertions. The whole number idea comes from plausiablity, the scenario was plausiable and seemed very possible ( i.e, Behe would have to be nuts not to get the best fact checking possible for such a controversial book). You also indulge in name calling, which just goes to show that you lack a number of important personal qualities. In my experience it’s impossible to explain anything to someone whose calling you names, so it’s not even worth trying.

Behe would have to be nuts not to get the best fact checking possible for such a controversial book

Let’s just mention again, one more time, that (1) the only favorable pre-publication reviewer that we’ve heard about, didn’t actually read the book, (2) the only other pre-publication reviewers we have heard about, thought the book’s primary argument was crap, and (3) when Behe tried to BS the court by claiming “more rigorous than peer review”, he didn’t mention any of this.

Is there anything you’d like to add to that?

I love how the guy on here defending Behe is merely trying to argue that it is concievable that Behe wasn’t lying.

The whole number idea comes from plausiablity, the scenario was plausiable and seemed very possible ( i.e, Behe would have to be nuts not to get the best fact checking possible for such a controversial book).

Then, judging from the trial transcipts, you MUST agree tht Behe is nuts.

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