Edenomics 101

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I mentioned yesterday that Mike had a post on the war on epidemiology. That might sound a bit strange–doesn’t have quite the ring to it as Chris’s book. But, never fear, epidemiology is indeed under attack–or, at least, it’s being redefined by young earth creationists.

In a pair of articles published in the esteemed journal, Creation Research Society Quarterly, Jeffrey Schragin has put forth his argument that “the Bible’s epidemiology is scientifically sound” and that the “Creation Health Model (CHM) offers a more comprehensive understanding of health and disease than standard molecules-to-man evolutionary theory.”

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This clearly is evidence that creationist thought and its parody are indistiguishable.

You gotta believe that there’s an awful lot of pork-snarfing evangelicals who will take grave exception to Schragin’s exegesis.

Since the intelligent designe gave the lions and tigers the claws and teeth of killers, (s)he must have known that the fall was in the offing. Since Adam and Eve messed everything up in the afternoon of their very first day, the famous all veggie diet of the future carnivores came down to having a salad for lunch so they wouldn’t spoil dinner.

Drtomaso suggests: “This clearly is evidence that creationist thought and its parody are indistinguishable.”

As further evidence I offer this abstract from CRSQ

Volume 22, Number 1 June, 1985 The Oklo Natural Uranium Reactor: Evidence For A Young Earth Eugene F. Chaffin, Ph.D.

A fossil nuclear reactor is believed to have been discovered at Oklo in Gabon, Africa. The author has previously considered the scientific data from the viewpoint of a creationist. In this work further studies of concentrations of uranium and of reactor by-products are presented and discussed as they relate to determining the age of the reactor. The data still seem to be consistent with the young earth view.

Delta Pi Gamma (Scientia et Fermentum)

I guess I’m just not destined to live a good and proper life. I would very quickly suffer from protein deficiency under Edenomics, as I am sufficiently allergic to enough plants that I can not get a complete protein from a vegetarian diet. At least, not without being seriously ill within a few days. I simply have to eat meat to survive (and I can’t even eat fish!)

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Posted by Jim Harrison on March 14, 2006 01:28 PM (e)

Since the intelligent designe gave the lions and tigers the claws and teeth of killers, (s)he must have known that the fall was in the offing. Since Adam and Eve messed everything up in the afternoon of their very first day, the famous all veggie diet of the future carnivores came down to having a salad for lunch so they wouldn’t spoil dinner.

that’s awesome.

Bruce,

The Oklo reactor is an actual geological event. See TOA and DOE.

Basically what happened was that uranium that had been eroded from a mountain range collected in a river delta. Eventually enough uranium collected to sustain a very small chain reaction.

“Since the intelligent designe gave the lions and tigers the claws and teeth of killers, (s)he must have known that the fall was in the offing.”

And humans got the teeth and metabolism to be omnivorous, which mean it’s not optimised for Schragin’s diet either.

Other theories is that the designer hadn’t planned Edenomics but it was an afterthought that failed, or even better that there were multiple designers that didn’t know, or didn’t care, about each other. Multiple design theory was mentioned here not long ago…

“The Oklo reactor is an actual geological event.”

I think the parody here is that Oklo can be used to both date itself very precisely, and to establish that radioactive decay rates are very stable. (IIRC it’s actually used in physics as one of the constraints on the change in the fine structure constant. Which is indeed a constant, contrary to YEC theories. :-)

Which all points to an _old_ earth.

I wonder how adopting a vegetarian diet could prevent people from contracting typhoid or cholera in those areas affected by these diseases ? I’m not sure how creationists view them but since death etc. came after the fall where did they (typhoid and Cholera) come from ?

And what about parasites such as tapeworm ? I presume these weren’t taken aboard the ark but where did they come from ? How can a vegetarian diet prevent their occurrence ?

I also wondered about things like chocolate in your diet which he fails to mention. Surely over indulgence in this substance can result in obesity and possible heart attacks etc. ? (and it’s addictive as well !)

Whenever you look closely at them young Earth creationist ideas really are silly.

I have a vision. I see in the future a Creation Health Model HMO. Where are you Philip Johnson?? There are big bucks to be made!!! All you have to do is follow Edenomics and do nothing so that Pat Robertson retrospectively predicts successfully your next disease. Since you’ve all been Intelligently Designed perfectly as long as you follow ****THE TRUTH!!!!!**** you’ll live forever in perfect health and the CHMHMO won’t have to pay anything and it can send all of its profits to the Discovery Institute so it can keep on publishing those critical papers on design in all of the finest peer-reviewed journals thus renewing science and culture and health care all at the same time! It’s even enough to get Lenny’s Pizza Delivery Boy to stop sprinkling that so called “oregano” on the pizza and put on only Edenomically acceptable nutrient toppings. Now what were they again?

Reed enlightens Bruce with: The Oklo reactor is an actual geological event.

So this wasn’t a preflood power source covered by flood debris? I much prefer a fossil nuclear reactor, I’m still not clear on the 1.7 billion to 6,000 yrs though. Perhaps more beer will help, now what flavor?

Delta Pi Gamma (Scientia et Fermentum)

It’s even enough to get Lenny’s Pizza Delivery Boy to stop sprinkling that so called “oregano” on the pizza

(shocked gasp) Ya mean it’s NOT oregano????

No WONDER I’m always hungry for a second pizza . …

You order your pizza with “oregano,” we sprinkle on “oregano.”*

We aim to please.

Now, if you only want plain old regular oregano–or “oreguno,” as we call it in the pizza delivery biz–then don’t put the cute “quotes” around it…

*(Supplies may be limited. Not all outlets may carry, or be willing to supply, this particular seasoning to all customers, particularly to customers wearing cheap black “Mr. Smith” suits and skinny ties. Extra charges will apply.)

And this once and for all correctly explains Lenny’s fondness for the Grateful Dead and why he and his Pizza Delivery boy will most certainly be “left behind”.

That’s as may be.

Though I want to be clear–without casting any aspersions on anyone else’s lifestyle choices or gender preferences–that I’m just Lenny’s pizza delivery entreprenuer. He’s never expressed any interest whatsoever in my left behind.

Or my right behind.

Geez. You guys CAN give up your day jobs.…

Lenny’s fondness for the Grateful Dead

Know what they say about the Dead — they don’t play what’s old, they don’t play what’s new; they just play what they can REMEMBER.

:)

Off-topic, but I’ve just noticed that uncommonlydense.blogspot.com has gone dark. Which is really annoying cos I was enjoying it. I seem to recall I first saw it mentioned on here, so I was wondering if anyone knew what happened to it.

Famous Grateful Dead quote: When Linda Ellerbee asked Bob Weir why nobody in the band seemed to be playing the same part of the same song at the same time, he replied “you just can’t please everybody.” This is especially true for Lenny’s pizza delivery boy who has been trying to please Pat Robertson for years without success. Won’t somebody give him a clue?

Eh?

I have certainly been called clueless before (as in, “If he doesn’t tip well, why do you keep taking him his pizza order?”).

But never in the same breath as, uh, this Pat Robertson fellow.

Sorry, but he’s just not on my route.

Does he like “oregano”?

Lenny’s Pizza Guy, asking–with regard to cranky televangelist Pat Robertson:

Does he like “oregano”?

Probably not.

But he sure does love to shovel guano.

Does that count?

If your pizza arrives cold with the wrong toppings, don’t blame me. you just ordered God right out of your pizza

“You just ordered God out of your pizza.”

that’s great.

Comment #86431

Posted by Corkscrew on March 14, 2006 09:42 PM (e)

Off-topic, but I’ve just noticed that uncommonlydense.blogspot.com has gone dark. Which is really annoying cos I was enjoying it. I seem to recall I first saw it mentioned on here, so I was wondering if anyone knew what happened to it.

Over at After the Bar Closes, where the cool kids hang out and smoke cigarettes, the guy who started uncommonlydense.blogspot.com says that he quickly found it essentially impossible to parody the Uncommon Descent crowd, since they’re already ridiculous beyond parody. I mean, in the last few days, for instance, Davetard defiantly asked for evidence that the beliefs of Answers in Genesis and YECs like Paul Nelson were opposed to science, and then banned people who provided said evidence, despite he himself in the past calling Paul Nelson’s beliefs unscientific on a thread he eventually tried to delete and cover up. How do you parody that?

Which is what I myself discovered with Creationist Timmy. Though I did have some fun with it. I still giggle about how at some point he changed his name to Intelligent Design Theorist Timmy.

Timmah!

One question that has been troubling me:

If death did not exist in Eden, why the need for balanced diets etc?

One question that troubles ME;

If there was no death before the Fall, why didn’t Adam blow up from all those fruitfully-multiplying E coli in his intestines? After all, within just a few hours, they would have weighed more than HE did if none of them ever died.

By the way, if there was no death before the Fall, how could Adam and Eve have had fingernails or hair, since these are … well . . dead? Heck, the outer layer of skin cells is … well … dead.

People who make up these absurd scenarious to put the religion pig in the science dress remind me of the exchange with the german tour guide on Family Guy:

Munich Tour Guide: You will find more on Germany’s contributions to the arts in the pamphlets we have provided. Brian Griffin: Yeah, about your pamphlet… uh, I’m not seeing anything about German history between 1939 and 1945. There’s just a big gap. Tour guide: Everyone was on vacation! On your left is Munich’s first city hall, erected in 15… Brian Griffin: Wait, what are you talking about? Germany invaded Poland in 1939 and… Tour Guide: We were invited. Punch was served! Check with Poland! Brian Griffin: You can’t just ignore those years. Thomas Mann fled to America because of Nazism’s stranglehold on Germany. Tour Guide: Nope, nope. He left to manage a Dairy Queen. Brian Griffin: A Dairy Queen? That’s preposterous. Tour Guide: I will hear no more insinuations about the German people! Nothing bad happened! Sie Werden Sich Hinsetzen! Sie Werden Ruhig Sein. Sie Werden Nicht Beleidigen Deutschland!

Obviously, death of microscopic cells didn’t count since people back then couldn’t see them. :)

If herbivores were turned into carnivores after the fall, why are there still herbivores?

Re “If herbivores were turned into carnivores after the fall, why are there still herbivores?”

Because otherwise the remaining carnivores would starve to death after they ran out of other carnivores to eat? ;)

Jeffrey Schragin is not the first to peddle this See: http://www.makersdiet.com/public/default.aspx

A truly holistic approach to health and wellness, The Maker’s Diet places great importance on the person as a whole body or being. Based on biblical precepts and scientific resources, The Maker’s Diet focuses on the four components of total health — the physical, mental, spiritual, and emotional.

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