Dr. Dino in the Dock

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The Pensacola News-Journal is once again giving everyone a front-row seat to the trial of Kent Hovind, aka Dr. Dino, for tax fraud. See:

Evangelist’s trial begins

But rather than accepting his responsibility as an employer, Hovind hid behind terminology, Heldmeyer said.

He called his employees “volunteers,” “missionaries” or “ministers,” she said. Wages were referred to as “gifts” or “love offerings.”

Love offerings? That must look interesting on the tax forms.

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I presume that any ‘ignorance excuse’ Hovind uses will be quite credible.

Glen D http://tinyurl.com/b8ykm

I think this is hillarious. Some guy who tried to sue the IRS on several occasions claims he’s ignorant about tax law. Not to mention the 9500 USD withdrawals, just shy of the limits of 10k.

This is the best his defense can do? And isn’t a plea of ignorance an “active” defense? As in, you admit that you’re guilty of the crime but have some excuse for it.

So these wages and salaries were all paid in cash? So they didn’t keep any records? I take it, even if someone is able to track down how much one of these “volunteers” got paid, the obligation to pay taxes would then fall on the employee and not on Hovind.

Everything considered, this is fairly sophisticated. To avoid getting nabbed for cooking any books, keep none. The income from all sources must be estimated, and these are woolly estimates because people bought tickets, videos, and whatnot in cash. Everything was done in cash. No written records of anything.

Hovind has been operating in the underground economy, on the grand scale. Not having any building permits starts to make more sense - it would be something in writing, part of a paper trail to be avoided at all costs.

But somehow, the IRS has picked a number, out of fairly rarefied air. I wonder how this will be justified, defended, or attacked. I wouldn’t be surprised if Hovind has a million dollars in greenbacks buried in a sock somewhere. Next time, he’ll avoid banks altogether.

Love offerings? That must look interesting on the tax forms.

Tax forms? We don’t need no stinking tax forms!

To avoid getting nabbed for cooking any books, keep none.

This is what Hovind did and is a guaranteed way to land in jail. Even American prostitutes and drug dealers submit taxes and keep “records” to avoid the IRS. They generally register as massage therapists and consultants, respectively.

So these wages and salaries were all paid in cash? So they didn’t keep any records? I take it, even if someone is able to track down how much one of these “volunteers” got paid, the obligation to pay taxes would then fall on the employee and not on Hovind.

The employer is responsible for withholding certain monies, such as social security taxes. I don’t know if this is the provenance of the IRS or some other agency.

So… did anybody else notice the reader comments to the Pensacola News-Journal article there? It’s mostly just reasonable, rational, normal responses to the whole thing– but so far two or three Hovind supporters have come out of the woodwork, and it’s fascinating. For starters there’s a guy giving a pretty standard rant about how the 16th amendment was never ratified, but then things get even more interesting.

not quite right

The reporter should have taken better notes. Or maybe she has her own agenda in this case.

There’s at least four points she got wrong in this acrticle based on the opening statements yesterday. For instance.

The prosecuter said the Hovinds filed bancruptcy in 1996 as a way to avoid taxes. In reality they filed as a legal way to get their vehicles back that the government had seized. It’s very common for businesses and people to file for Chapter 7 in order to get assests back that have been seized.

Also, the prosecution failed to tell the jury that the Hovinds paid their bills and employees in cash all those years. So it was common for Mrs Hovind to go to the band and withdraw 9k at a time. They said he was withdrawing 9k because if it was 10k the bank has to notify the IRS.

BUT, the prosecution also failed to tell the jury there were many times when she withdrew more than the 10k threshold banks use to inform the IRS. You do the math. 45 people working there plus other bills. I think it’s bizarre they would pay for everything in cash, but we all know people who cash their checks and pay their rent, phone, electrical, etc, etc in cash every week. Just because some of us think it’s odd, does not make it a crime.

It also came out yesterday that the prosecution will offer no proof or law that says any of us owe these taxes. No law that any employer is legally obligated to collect these taxes. That the IRS law never EVER defines what an “employer” is.

Don’t get me wrong here. I’m not saying laws weren’t broken. But two points. I’m not sure the goverment is prepared here. AND just because the government says something is true, is there anyone here after the whole “weapons of mass destruction” fiasco who is willing to take any government agency at its word????

I’m certainly not.

There’s a movie coming out about the whole tax issue. Watch this:

http://www.freedomtofascism.com/

The trial is two weeks long. Let’s hope the reporter does a better job today getting all the facts straight.

M.

I especially like the part where this poster is upset at the Pensacola News-Journal and the “prosecuter” for saying that Hovind filed bankruptcy to avoid paying taxes. That was exactly what the bankruptcy court findings of facts said he did, of course, but apparently only someone with an “agenda” would trust the findings of the U.S. courts as fact over Hovind’s protestations.

Of course, it’s odd that the poster’s alternate, “in reality” explanation for why Hovind filed taxes is “to get their vehicles back that the government had seized”; looking at the bankruptcy court findings of fact from the case I find that the court’s view is that Hovind filed bankruptcy to avoid paying taxes by trying to get his vehicles back, since the entire reason the vehicles were seized in the first place was… as a lien in lieu of unpaid taxes.

Churches-stop incorporating and stop giving God’s $ to govt

The Lord told us to “Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s; and unto God the things that are God’s” When someone donates money to a church/ministry, it becomes God’s money and God’s money should never find it’s way into the hands of the government. Churches/Ministries can be set up to give God’s money back to ministry laborers in the form of gifts (just make sure to vary the amount and the frequency.…otherwise it could be construed as a salary). Gifts have never been taxable!

Churches/ministries need to start thinking out of the box and drop their incorporation status which brings them into spiritual bondage with the government. What do you think the apostles would have thought about filing incorporation documents with the government to start their church? (i.e. asking permission of the government to become a church). We know what they would have done, and it is evident in the manner in which they were martyred.

JF

I wonder if the person who posted this one noticed that this tax advice is, in fact, the exact same tax advice that Hovind was following that got him arrested.

Wikipedia’s Hovind article is probably illuminating. He’s been in legal trouble for a decade or more. He’s so far served no time and paid nothing (as far as I can tell). All for pretty much the same allegations. So if this is a “guaranteed way to land in jail” it sure takes its time about it.

My cynical suspicion is that Hovind is enough of a celebrity for this case to have political ramifications for the judges and lawyers involved. When careers can be made or lost, the actual punishments determined and served tend to get lost in the glare. I predict Hovind will either hang, or suffer nothing detrimental to his continuing activities, depending on which outcome suits the political purposes of those running the system.

In the opinion of most lawyers I’ve seen comments by, the OJ prosecution could have thrown out 90% of their evidence, and let the defense pick WHICH 90%, and still won easily on the merits. But the merits didn’t matter, politics mattered. Publicity is powerful stuff.

wamba:

I’ve been self-employed, and care has been taken to ensure that this is meaningful. I was told that if I worked ONLY for one client, full time, for an extended period, then I was de facto an employee of that client. Maybe Hovind was astute enough to have his “volunteers” hold other part-time jobs? Whether or not he qualified as an “employer” in the first place is part of the contest.

Coin:

Anytime you have a tax protester getting tried, you’re going to have tax protesters popping up with their standard rhetoric. And I notice that one of those comments was a generic tax-protester-protester, providing a link to Evans’ standard FAQ. So all the Usual Characters are in place.

So these wages and salaries were all paid in cash? So they didn’t keep any records? I take it, even if someone is able to track down how much one of these “volunteers” got paid, the obligation to pay taxes would then fall on the employee and not on Hovind.

The employer is obligated to pay 7.75% of the employee’s wages in FICA (social security) taxes. This is not part of the employee’s wages. An additional 7.75% is taken out of the employee’s wages for their share of FICA. The employer is liable for their share.

Of course, there are dodges you can take. Declare all your employees to be “independent contractors” for instance. This has been widely abused, in particular by the computer industry. For years now the IRS has maintained a list of 25 to 30 criteria a contractor must meet to qualify (and if you don’t, you’re W-2’d and the employer’s liable for 50% of your FICA tax and must withold your share of FICA and income tax).

Flint Wrote:

Publicity is powerful stuff.

Looking at the way the press has been writing about this case since he was arrested, I’m not so sure publicity is on Hovind’s side anymore.

The really ironic thing is that Hovind could have avoided paying much of this tax burden legally. If you read last week’s NY Times, you’re well aware that Hovind didn’t actually have to pay income tax, property tax, or salex tax on most of his stuff. He could have pressured his employees to declare themelves ministers of religion and thus opt out of social security, and they would have had almost no legal recourse.

The American tax system is so biased towards religious organizations, that only a true screwball like Hovind would risk going to jail for tax avoidance. All he had to do was file a few forms.

All he had to do was file a few forms.

You’d think. But, Hovind wouldn’t even file a building permit for $50 which led to the closing of Barney Land.

Hovind is a professional con-man. He may be slippery enough to get out of this one, too.

Hey, I could start Fire Ant Adventure Land right in my back yard. Dr. Ant-O. Has a nice ring to it.

Wow, all of Hovind’s loony militia pals will be crawling out of the woodwork for this one . …

Yes, rape is not a joking matter. All such comments have been moved to the BW. Further mentions (more jokes, or arguing about it) on PT will result in banning. Try and keep it out of the gutter please.

Tax fraud is much funnier, anyway.

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Posted by Flint on October 18, 2006 3:09 PM (e)

So these wages and salaries were all paid in cash? So they didn’t keep any records? I take it, even if someone is able to track down how much one of these “volunteers” got paid, the obligation to pay taxes would then fall on the employee and not on Hovind.

That’s besides the point and of no merit to the Hovind case. The IRC clearly indicates that Hovind is required, by operation of law, to collect FIT witholdings and FICA taxes from the wages of his employees. He was also required to pay the employer’s share of FICA, plus FUTA taxes. He deliberately failed to do so and has tried to weasel out of his legally mandated obligation to do so.

Everything considered, this is fairly sophisticated. To avoid getting nabbed for cooking any books, keep none. The income from all sources must be estimated, and these are woolly estimates because people bought tickets, videos, and whatnot in cash. Everything was done in cash. No written records of anything.

Actually it’s banal and unsophisticated. A significant portion of tax cheaters don’t keep books. However, other people do keep books. And there is the power of the Summons and the Subpoena to get them.

We’d start with UPS for all delivery’s to Hovind’s compound. Then we’d summon all sales records of the suppliers relating to anything sold to Hovind and/or shipped to his address.

Once these records are obtained, it’s a simple, but tedious, manner to reconstruct a very good set of books. Especially if you start using industry standards and can establish a good base-line for one input.

For example, if Hovind bought 10,000 blank VHS tapes a year, I’ve got a base-line for his tape sales and merely need to apply industry standards to reverse engineer outputs. If I’ve got a 5% wastage and a catalog (Hovind’s) that sells them at $20 each, I’ve got $190,000 of income right there.

At that point, I’m done with that stream and will move onto publishing, DVDs and anything else he’s got going on in his catalog. I’ll also interview his employees who will be… quite concerned and cooperative because, as a group, they’ll show no loyalty to a criminal who may drag them to Federal Prison with him…

Ultimately, the thing is, most tax cheaters think they’re clever. They’re not. They’re wind-up little dolls who do the same things time and time again. So frequently that we’ve got a laundry list:

Badges of Fraud.

A. Indicators of Fraud – Income. 1. Omissions of specific items where similar items are included. 2. Omissions of entire sources of income. 3. Unexplained failure to report substantial amounts of income determined to have been received. 4. Substantial unexplained increases in net worth, especially over a period of years. 5. Substantial excess of personal expenditures over available resources. 6. Bank deposits from unexplained sources substantially exceeding reported income. 7. Concealment of bank accounts, brokerage accounts, and other property. 8. Inadequate explanation for dealing in large sums of currency, or the unexplained expenditure of currency. 9. Consistent concealment of unexplained currency, especially in a business not calling for large amounts of cash. 10. Failure to deposit receipts to business account, contrary to normal practices. 11. Failure to file a return, especially for a period of several years although substantial amounts of taxable income were received. 12. Cashing checks representing income at check cashing services and banks other than the taxpayer’s. 13. Covering up sources of receipts by false description of source of disclosed income, and/or nontaxable receipts.

B. Indicators of Fraud – Expenses or Deductions. 1. Substantial overstatement of deductions. 2. Substantial amounts of personal expenditures deducted as business expenses. 3. Claiming fictitious deductions. 4. Dependency exemption claimed for nonexistent, deceased, or self-supporting persons. 5. Loans of trust funds disguised as purchases or deductions.

C. Indicators of Fraud – Books and Records 1. Keeping two sets of books or no books. 2. False entries or alterations made on the books and records, backdated or post dated documents, false invoices, false applications, statements, other false documents, or applications. 3. Invoices are irregularly numbered, unnumbered or altered. 4. Checks made payable to third parties are endorsed back to the taxpayer. Checks made payable to vendors and other business payees are cashed by the taxpayer. 5. Failure to keep adequate records, concealment of records, or refusal to make certain records available. 6. Variances between treatment of questionable items on the return as compared with books. 7. Intentional under or over footing of columns in journal or ledger. 8. Amounts on return not in agreement with amounts in books. 9. Amounts posted to ledger accounts not in agreement with source books or records. 10. Journalizing of questionable items out of correct account. 11. Recording income items in suspense or asset accounts. 12. False receipts to donors by exempt organizations.

D. Indicators of Fraud—Allocations of Income 1. Distribution of profits to fictitious partners. 2. Inclusion of income or deductions in the return of a related taxpayer, when difference in tax rates is a factor.

E. Indicators of Fraud—Conduct of Taxpayer 1. False statement about a material fact involved in the examination. 2. Attempts to hinder the examination. For example, failure to answer pertinent questions, repeated cancellations of appointments, refusal to provide records, threatening potential witnesses, including the examiner or assaulting the examiner. 3. Failure to follow the advice of accountant or attorney. 4. Failure to make full disclosure of relevant facts to the accountant. 5. The taxpayer’s knowledge of taxes and business practices where numerous questionable items appear on the returns. 6. Testimony of employees concerning irregular business practices by the taxpayer. 7. Destruction of books and records, especially if just after examination was started. 8. Transfer of assets for purposes of concealment, or diversion of funds and/or assets by officials or trustees. 9. Patterns of consistent failure over several years to report income fully. 10. Proof that the return was incorrect to such an extent and in respect to items of such character and magnitude as to compel the conclusion that the falsity was known and deliberate. 11. Payment of improper expenses by or for officials or trustees. 12. Willful and intentional failure to execute pension plan amendments 13. Backdating of applications and related documents. 14. Making false statements on TEGE determination letter applications. 15. Use of false social security numbers. 16. Submission of false Form W—4. 17. Submitting a false affidavit. 18. Attempts to bribe the examiner.

F. Indicators of Fraud—Methods of Concealment 1. Inadequacy of consideration. 2. Insolvency of transferor. 3. Assets placed in other’s names. 4. Transfer of all or nearly all of debtors’ property. 5. Close relationship between parties to the transfer. 6. Transfer made in anticipation of a tax assessment or while the investigation of a deficiency is pending. 7. Reservation of any interest in the property transferred. 8. Transaction not in the usual course of business. 9. Retention of possession. 10. Transactions surrounded by secrecy. 11. False entries in books of transferor or transferee. 12. Unusual disposition of the consideration received for the property. 13. Use of secret bank accounts for income. 14. Deposits into bank accounts under nominee names. 15. Conduct of business transactions in false names.

Hovind has been operating in the underground economy, on the grand scale. Not having any building permits starts to make more sense - it would be something in writing, part of a paper trail to be avoided at all costs.

You don’t need much in the way of paper trails. There are many indirect methods of determining a taxpayer’s income. They will have used at least two indirect methods to come up with a figure. Hovind will be required to rebut the Government’s assertion.

But somehow, the IRS has picked a number, out of fairly rarefied air. I wonder how this will be justified, defended, or attacked. I wouldn’t be surprised if Hovind has a million dollars in greenbacks buried in a sock somewhere. Next time, he’ll avoid banks altogether.

Really, I don’t blame you for not understanding this enforcement issue, but what you said is laughable from my position. The IRS’ number will be anything but “picked out of rarefied air.” They’ve got decades and decades of getting tax cheats and financial-lifestyle trails are the hardest to hide and easiest to reconstruct.

I was gonna suggest–again? though I don’t see the earlier request now–that Nick, Nora, and Asta jump in their sleuth-mobile, head for the Sleuthville Int’l Airport, and fly their sleuth-plane to Pensacola to cover all the developments for us.

But, sheesh, now that I’ve read Moses’s post, I’m sure Hovind’s praying we send Nick–or anybody but Moses!

But, sheesh, now that I’ve read Moses’s post, I’m sure Hovind’s praying we send Nick—or anybody but Moses!

That’s an impressive set of stone tax tablets Moses has received from the tax gods.

God’s stone tax tablets are going to counter anything Hovind can dream of.

Moses, you seem to know what you’re talking about: how’s ignorance for a defense in general, and in Hovind’s case? Because from where I’m standing, Hovind has been way outspoken about tax law to claim to not know anything about it.

Moses’ comments above are most instructive. It appears that one may use real evidence to reconstruct a life where the usual evidence is missing – same as in evolution, one may use real evidence from fossils and living things to reconstruct what happened when the cameras were not rolling.

In the end, is it any surprise that someone who denies the reliability of normal, everyday evidence of living, as Hovind does, also ignores all the science data behind evolution? Or vice-versa?

Day two, Workers testify in ‘Dr. Dino’ trial:

Two people who worked for a Pensacola evangelist testified Wednesday in federal court that they didn’t consider where they worked to be a church. …

…Brian Popp, Hovind’s employee for at least eight years, testified that he preferred to be paid in cash and that Hovind said that was the preference of the other employees. “He said if it was up to him, he’d prefer to pay us all with checks,” Popp said. Popp said Hovind told him about the bank’s requirement to report transactions over $10,000 and said it was “not safe to carry large sums of cash.” He also testified employees had a certain “paranoia” about Hovind’s run-ins with the IRS, although workers were under the impression Hovind was “on the offensive rather than the defensive.” Popp testified that Hovind warned employees not to accept mail addressed to “KENT HOVIND.” He said Hovind told the workers the government created a corporation in his “all-caps name.” Hovind said if he accepted the mail, he would be accepting the responsibilities associated with that corporation, Popp testified.

Moses:

I agree with everything you write; the point I was trying to make didn’t come across (admittedly, it wasn’t well organized). Yes, of course if the government so desires, they can use plenty of perfectly good indirect information to construct a perfectly solid case. It takes more time and effort to do this, it costs a lot more, but it can be done.

My reading is that the IRS uses a preliminary cost/benefit analysis to decide if the cost of building the case will exceed the likely proceeds from winning the case (with some reasonable estimate of winning factored in). So the more expensive it is to do this reconstruction and the less likely a carefully-chosen jury of bible-bangers to buy into it, the less compelling the justification to do the preparation. Is this the case?

I may not understand how much of a slam-dunk this is legally. I am aware of how much public tax money was spent NOT convicting OJ of murder despite the sheer magnitude of evidence available. I’m also aware of the publicity value in this case; Hovind’s followers represent a pretty damn solid voting bloc.

Finally, there’s Hovind’s history of legal problems, of a very similar nature, for which as far as I can tell he has paid neither any fines nor served any time. Why is this different?

So my point isn’t that the government CAN not build a case; it’s that there’s a good possibility that they WILL not, or that a jury of, uh, Believers will reject it anyway. And that jury, surely at least as ignorant as I am, won’t be very hard to persuade that the government doesn’t have any hard evidence, and has made it up out of estimates, misunderstandings, and moonbeams. If the jury members think anything like Hovind thinks, they will want *absolute truth*, not probable cause.

So I’m going to wait and see. No contest here about what the law says or how it operates. And if it produces the results you imply should be essentially automatic, I’ll cheer as loud as anyone. But if I were a creationist on that jury, hell would freeze before I’d vote to convict. When has evidence or rules of inference mattered to those armed with the Truth?

…I’m not fooled by the rocks that you got I’m still, I’m still Dino in the Dock Paid taxes too little now I’ll pay a lot I’m still, I’m still Dino in the Dock…

If claiming to be a “church” and Hovind failed to get a charitable organization approval from the IRS then he will be at the mercy of the IRS because they make the determination in such situations. Even though churches are not required to get IRS approval first, it is recommended that they do so, specifically so they don’t end up in the siuation he now finds himself in. Being at the mercy of the IRS is NOT a good thing, especially when obvious fraud is involved.

Most americans have several credit cards and use those plastic cards to buy material things to satisfy their needs and desires.… BUT NOT ALL CREDIT CARD HOLDERS CAN PAY THEIR CREDIT CARD BILLS AND THOSE BILLS ACCUMULATE OVER THE YEARS… THEN THEY APPLY FOR BANKRUPTCY… THEN THE COURT NODS AND APPROVES THEIR APPLICATION FOR BANKRUPTCY AFTER SPENDING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS AND NOT BEING ABLE TO PAY UP!

WAKE UP AMERICA!!! THE IRS IS BEING MANIPULATED BY SPIRITUAL FORCES EVEN BEYOND the constitutionally mandated laws!

Dr. KENT HOVIND AND HIS WIFE WERE HARRASSED, MANHANDLED, AND INDICTED NOT BECAUSE OF TAX-EVASION! Dr. KENT HOVIND AND HIS WIFE WERE HARRASSED, MANHANDLED, AND INDICTED BECAUSE THEY ARE WORKING FOR THE PROPAGATION OF CREATION SCIENCE!!!

Dr. “Dino” Hovind is a bankrupt evangelist/missionary/preacher/God’s co-worker vs. satan’s atheists/evolutionists/non-Bible believing servants!!!

What is the difference between a tax evader and a bankrupt missionary? A tax evader earns money from his profession/business and spends 100% of it on his materials needs and lusts and evades the IRS. A bankrupt missionary conducts FREE seminars on “GOD AS THE ALMIGHTY CREATOR OF MAN AND THE WHOLE UNIVERSE” and never get paid, never earn a penny, and spends his time, money, and life on PREACHING “GOD AS THE ALMIGHTY CREATOR OF MAN AND THE WHOLE UNIVERSE”.

DR. KENT HOVIND IS INNOCENT ! WAKE UP AMERICA ! DR. HOVIND IS A PROPHET IN YOUR MIDST ! COME JUDGMENT DAY, ALL OF YOU WHO SCOFF AT DR. HOVIND’S TEACHINGS SHALL FACE THE JUDGMENT SEAT OF CHRIST AND AMONG THOSE WHO WILL RULE WITH CHRIST WILL BE PREACHERS AND PROPHETS OF GOD LIKE DR. KENT HOVIND.

Most americans have several credit cards and use those plastic cards to buy material things to satisfy their needs and desires.… BUT NOT ALL CREDIT CARD HOLDERS CAN PAY THEIR CREDIT CARD BILLS AND THOSE BILLS ACCUMULATE OVER THE YEARS… THEN THEY APPLY FOR BANKRUPTCY… THEN THE COURT NODS AND APPROVES THEIR APPLICATION FOR BANKRUPTCY AFTER SPENDING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS AND NOT BEING ABLE TO PAY UP!

WAKE UP AMERICA!!! THE IRS IS BEING MANIPULATED BY SPIRITUAL FORCES EVEN BEYOND the constitutionally mandated laws!

Dr. KENT HOVIND AND HIS WIFE WERE HARRASSED, MANHANDLED, AND INDICTED NOT BECAUSE OF TAX-EVASION! Dr. KENT HOVIND AND HIS WIFE WERE HARRASSED, MANHANDLED, AND INDICTED BECAUSE THEY ARE WORKING FOR THE PROPAGATION OF CREATION SCIENCE!!!

Dr. “Dino” Hovind is a bankrupt evangelist/missionary/preacher/God’s co-worker vs. satan’s atheists/evolutionists/non-Bible believing servants!!!

What is the difference between a tax evader and a bankrupt missionary? A tax evader earns money from his profession/business and spends 100% of it on his materials needs and lusts and evades the IRS. A bankrupt missionary conducts FREE seminars on “GOD AS THE ALMIGHTY CREATOR OF MAN AND THE WHOLE UNIVERSE” and never get paid, never earn a penny, and spends his time, money, and life on PREACHING “GOD AS THE ALMIGHTY CREATOR OF MAN AND THE WHOLE UNIVERSE”.

DR. KENT HOVIND IS INNOCENT ! WAKE UP AMERICA ! DR. HOVIND IS A PROPHET IN YOUR MIDST ! COME JUDGMENT DAY, ALL OF YOU WHO SCOFF AT DR. HOVIND’S TEACHINGS SHALL FACE THE JUDGMENT SEAT OF CHRIST AND AMONG THOSE WHO WILL RULE WITH CHRIST WILL BE PREACHERS AND PROPHETS OF GOD LIKE DR. KENT HOVIND.

Yep, get a couple of these echoheads on the jury. Shouldn’t be too hard in Florida.

TANYA Wrote:

What is the difference between a tax evader and a bankrupt missionary?

Well, I’d imagine there’s a few ways to tell the difference. For example, looking at Kent Hovind, we find that he took in 5 million dollars in revenue between 1999 and 2004. This indicates that he is not a bankrupt missionary and is, at the least, a very financially successful missionary. I will leave evaluation of Kent Hovind’s “tax evader” status as an exercise to the reader.

Wait… you did mean financially bankrupt and not morally bankrupt, right?

Poe’s Law strikes again.

When my eye drifted down the thread and saw a couple of posts that were more capitals than lower case I just knew they were from Hovind supporters. Why do these folk have to _shout_ so much?

Is all that Jew-hating part of Hovind’s shtick?

I doubt we know exactly what Hovind thinks of Jews vs. how much he just spouts any bias that he’s heard about any real or imagined enemy of his brand of ignorance.

Which perhaps is actually the point in the linkage between his rants about Jews, or whoever, with his rants about all reasoned study of how things actually are.

His “ministry” exists to replace “objective discovery” with ancient biases. Whether one subscribes to any one set of ancient biases over another one is not the main issue (at least not until they come to power), it is the preference for emotionalism and reaction over “objective” thought and discourse that is the enemy of both truth and justice.

There is nothing to prevent Hovind’s drift into anti-Semitism, since honest investigation of the evidence has become the enemy. The same would be true of ID, for although most would know better than to say what Hovind does, the abandonment of reasoned treatment of the evidence leaves their “conclusions” vulnerable to any shift in the socio-political landscape.

Glen D http://tinyurl.com/b8ykm

Is all that Jew-hating part of Hovind’s shtick?

I doubt we know exactly what Hovind thinks of Jews vs. how much he just spouts any bias that he’s heard about any real or imagined enemy of his brand of ignorance.

Which perhaps is actually the point in the linkage between his rants about Jews, or whoever, with his rants about all reasoned study of how things actually are.

His “ministry” exists to replace “objective discovery” with ancient biases. Whether one subscribes to any one set of ancient biases over another one is not the main issue (at least not until they come to power), it is the preference for emotionalism and reaction over “objective” thought and discourse that is the enemy of both truth and justice.

There is nothing to prevent Hovind’s drift into anti-Semitism, since honest investigation of the evidence has become the enemy. The same would be true of ID, for although most would know better than to say what Hovind does, the abandonment of reasoned treatment of the evidence leaves their “conclusions” vulnerable to any shift in the socio-political landscape.

Glen D http://tinyurl.com/b8ykm

“hear ye toejamjew,larsonjew,etc.”

If you are trying to plead insanity by continuing these comments, it wont help. (At least I think this is the thread I commented in - the comment is probably moved and I lost my reference.)

It is still intolerant to your thinking fellow man to incessantly quote dogmatic texts.

It is also intolerant to jews to go around attaching the reference to sundry people for no good reason.

I need my net connection fixed now. :( It’s bad enough that the connection at work is so bad that PT won’t always load properly or I might get a ‘GATEWAY TIMEOUT!’ message if I’m lucky and that’s not even taking into account the stupid banning of certain webpages & stuff (they’ve banned Larry’s blog under the banner of “porn” for pete’s sake), hell, this message might not even work. I’ve had nearly a month of no connection at home (that’ll hopefully be sorted in a few) because of someone who really needs to be hit by a bolt from the blue (or something very heavy*).

Okay. I feel better. So that’s my rant. I say this because… I’m missing all the fun, dammit!!!

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*Note to God, fundies and any law enforcement agencies - not serious.

——————————————————————————– I’m not so familiar with tax laws but as I see it, the only mistake made by Creation Science Evangelical Ministry Leader Mr. Kent Hovind was non-filing of 501(c)(3) exemption documents. Any neutral jury can see for themselves that Mr. Kent Hovind was running an organized ministry for religious, educational, and scientific purposes. Even DinoLand tickets were meant as donation to be used to fund the continuous evangelization of kids and adult visitors who visit DinoLand. All rides there had lessons for children on believing God as the Almighty Creator of man and the universe.

I really do not think that Mr. Hovind wanted to evade the IRS. Let me remind the jury that even our country’s presidents (majority) swore by the Bible when they were sworn into office. Court witnesses (often) are also made to swear by the Bible. There is one thing that the IRS can’t admit – God’s laws as contained in The Holy Bible are binding to Creation Science Evangelical Ministry led by Mr. Kent Hovind. The IRS knows that the 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code applies to Mr. Hovind’s CSE Church but the IRS doesn’t want to recognize the tax-exempt status of Mr. Hovind’s CSE Church. For what reasons? Is there a political motive behind the IRS’ investigation of Mr. Hovind’s CSE Church?

Since the IRS is accusing Mr. Hovind to be an “employer” with a “Dino Corporation” “employing” 30 “employees”, why summon only four “employees” who either have lost faith in the doctrines of Creation Science Evangelical Ministry or have grudges against Mr. Hovind? Why not summon all 30 “employees” just to be fair and democratic?

The jury might find this question “relevant” – Is there a law penalizing any leader of Church or Ministry of criminal prosecution and/or imprisonment if he failed to file a 501(c)(3) ?

If I were Mr. Hovind’s counsel, I will definitely question Mr. Schneider’s political motive behind this “accumulated suits” against Creation Science Evangelical Ministry Leader Mr. Kent Hovind. I wonder what Mr. Schneider’s religious color is. If the jury is consisted of non-blinded/impartial/neutral/non-partisan God-believing American citizens, then Creation Science Evangelical Ministry Leader Mr. Kent Hovind and his helpmate in propagating the gospel, Mrs. Jo Hovind, will be declared innocent.

“Mr. Kent Hovind and his helpmate in propagating the gospel, Mrs. Jo Hovind, will be declared innocent.”

I dont know how to tell you, but.…..this is to good to be true.. I mean seriously this made my weekend, Im wiggling thru the internet and come upon Kent because his Google/you tube stock must be up, and i have a good laugh, then discover, what now? 58 counts of tax evation?

those tapes must be worth gold now..Buying your USed abused Kent Hovind tapes 2.33$

Can we make a GW style remix of his retoric… “STAY THE COURSE, KENT”

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