The Nerf Flagellum

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I want one of these for Christmas. Courtesy of Display #1: The Bacterial Flagellum, at the Creation Science Museum of Canada. Watch out, evolutionists, you have been judged on the Hogwash-O-Meter and found wanting! If that doesn’t convince you, just look at the tracks of humans found with dinosaur tracks at Paluxy.

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Even scarier is that the guy who runs the “museum” says that he’s a member of Mensa.

Wow. It is intelligently designed!

I would be impressed if they had done it with ball-and-stick organic chemistry sets.

(That would require that we have the solved structures of all the flagellum proteins, which we don’t, but still a fun thought. I think it would be as big as a house and require tens of thousands of such sets.)

So much for feeling superior to Americans because they have Hovind, etc.

I know, I’ll blame it on the flood of American cultural propaganda crossing the border. I wonder what kind of fence would keep out this trash. Something antibiotic, maybe

JohnS said:

So much for feeling superior to Americans because they have Hovind, etc.

I know, I’ll blame it on the flood of American cultural propaganda crossing the border. I wonder what kind of fence would keep out this trash. Something antibiotic, maybe

Lawyers,guns and money?

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Posted by Miguelito on October 5, 2006 09:02 PM (e) | kill

Even scarier is that the guy who runs the “museum” says that he’s a member of Mensa.

Mensa is composed of about 70% interesting, clever, knowledgeable people, and 30% psycho nutjobs. Guess which side is overrepresented at the monthly meetings?

I’m not impressed. That thing won’t get anything off my floor. It’s pointing up! And it’s wilted!!!

My hypothesis is that as human brains are finite, a human gifted in one capacity usually pays for it in other place. “Psycho nutjob” can have extraordinary intelligence, but it may just mean that he uses perfect logic to get from wrong assumptions to wrong conclusions much faster than other psycho nutjobs. As for myself, I used to be a Mensa member, but my particular failing is in the social context. The company simply wasn’t that important to me to keep with.

Aww! That’s so cute!

That website is appaling. It even has that hydroplate theory: Based on Genesis 7:11, Dr. Brown has suggested that underground chambers of water, containing roughly 2/3rds of what is now in our oceans, broke open at the onset of the flood. The erosion caused by the rising waters eroded the overlying granite crustal plates. The removal of the overlying crust allowed the underlying basalt crust (now the ocean floor) to spring up from the lack of weight. This formed what is now our mid oceanic ridge, from which the continents then slid away from, downhill, to their current positions.

It all happened rapidly, with the continents achieving speeds of up to 45 miles per hour! No wonder the Himalayans were formed! This answers questions all other models have failed to explain. Plate tectonics, for example, has no mechanism or force to move continents, yet supposedly it’s been doing it for millions of years! Plate tectonics explains movement by reference to the heat emanating from the Earths core. And how exactly is the erosion of lots and lots of water going to erode sea floor rocks, which are surely more like basalt or gabbro, and even more importantly, where is all this eroded material? And how exactly are we supposed to believe that the continents slid away from each other during the flood, leaving different species on each one, yet Noah had a pair of each on his ark?

OK, that attempt at formatting iddnt work. Try this: That website is appaling. It even has that hydroplate theory: Based on Genesis 7:11, Dr. Brown has suggested that underground chambers of water, containing roughly 2/3rds of what is now in our oceans, broke open at the onset of the flood. The erosion caused by the rising waters eroded the overlying granite crustal plates. The removal of the overlying crust allowed the underlying basalt crust (now the ocean floor) to spring up from the lack of weight. This formed what is now our mid oceanic ridge, from which the continents then slid away from, downhill, to their current positions. It all happened rapidly, with the continents achieving speeds of up to 45 miles per hour! No wonder the Himalayans were formed! This answers questions all other models have failed to explain. Plate tectonics, for example, has no mechanism or force to move continents, yet supposedly it’s been doing it for millions of years!

Plate tectonics explains movement by reference to the heat emanating from the Earths core. And how exactly is the erosion of lots and lots of water going to erode sea floor rocks, which are surely more like basalt or gabbro, and even more importantly, where is all this eroded material? And how exactly are we supposed to believe that the continents slid away from each other during the flood, leaving different species on each one, yet Noah had a pair of each on his ark?

guthrie: More importantly, how the heck did the Ark survive billions of gallons of hot water shooting out at it?

Well, at least the guy has a very convincing argument for that electrical motors are designed. Take that, evolutionists!

Member of Mensa Canada Wrote:

Now, ask yourself a question: Do you think that motor could have been formed by natural processes? Maybe some molten lava flowed down a mountain side into some water, which formed the rotor in just the right shape and size, and right at the same time, wrapped around it was some molten lava that rolled down the mountain side and was also quickly cooled landing in the water.

Perhaps some other lava got mixed in there which was copper - just the right metal to make the wires which happened to get interwoven through, in, and around the stator just right. The bushing was exactly the right size around the drive shaft which just happened to be attached to the dead center of the rotor.…..

Okay, you get the point. It’s ridiculous to suggest! If any part of that motor is incomplete, or not doing its job exactly the way it was designed to, the whole motor breaks down and doesn’t work!

Not to mention the rocks that were blown out with it. Most rocks didn’t fall back to earth and became comets, but a few would have fell back down. These came from the “Fountains of the Deep”.

Interestingly, Brown’s wiki page has been modified as recently as yesterday. I’ve been noticing this on many science articles and creationist articles recently. It seems like the creo’s are constantly trying to alter the articles to suit their POV, and others are trying to correct them.

Corkscrew- who says the water is hot? And even if it was, I’m sure that the wood was very good pre-flood wood, none of this crappy light cheap wood you get these days.

Corkscrew- who says the water is hot?

It would have been stuck next to boiling lava for a few hundred years. I’m sure it’d be at least lukewarm.

And even if it was, I’m sure that the wood was very good pre-flood wood, none of this crappy light cheap wood you get these days.

If anyone ever attempts to argue this with me in public, I have a most excellent visual aid to use. It involves an egg and a baseball bat.

“Corkscrew- who says the water is hot? “

“It would have been stuck next to boiling lava for a few hundred years. I’m sure it’d be at least lukewarm.”

Nope. It was cold around the poles. Some of the stuff that was blown out fell back down as a mega hailstorm that filled up the surrounding areas with ice so quickly and buried the mammoths.

http://www.creationscience.com/onli[…]mmoths2.html

Good stuff, good stuff. I needed a laugh. A highlight:

… it even has what many have called the “universal joint”, the hook …

Wow, their “human” “footprint” is really pathetic. I can’t see any justification for the bottom side of the blue outline other than the wish that it is a human footprint.

Dinosaur footprint and human footprint? Now Way! That is the spittin’ image of Mary, holding up a Baby Jesus! Hallelujah! As you can see, the Baby Jesus is holding up an extended index finger, so I think it’s meant as a secret, sacred message to Pat Robertson.

It doesn’t matter what temperature the water was when it started, it would be REALLY hot moments later.

Energy doesn’t go away (basic conservation laws here). If the water shot up, it had to have energy applied to it in some way. It then fell back down, returned to low energy state. The energy that sent it up into the air has to go somewhere. It turns into heat.

Enough falling water to flood the earth would release enough heat energy to boil said flood waters, even if it only fell from a short height. Noah would be poached.

That’s not even bringing up the radioactivity issues. Those “flood deposited layers” are sorted radiometrically. That means that the rate of radioactive decay was HUGE at the time of the flood. That’s more heat, guys, added on top of the oceans already boiling.

Noah will not only be poached, but also fried. Then they all die of cancer. The end.

Of course, the ark being so big and made of wood, had no prayer of surviving the greatest storm in history, so, to be accurate, the Creation Science Museum should have a display of Noah and his family and animals, floating in boiling water, covered in pustules and bloated from radiation poisoning, surrounded by chunks of shattered ark, labeled “How we Survived The Flood”.

But somehow, I suspect they won’t.

Oh, Crap.

Fine. I’ll just ask the Courtenay City Hall to fly the flag at half-mast today, mourning the death of sanity in my once-fine country.

One more thing Colin Mochrie has to apologize for, along with “When I’m With You” by Sherriff. Truly sorry.

Noah will not only be poached, but also fried. Then they all die of cancer. The end.

Well, if it wasn’t that, if would have been the syphillis. Noah was carrying two of every spirochete.

Yep, Noah’s Ark, the largest zoo in history, run by a staff smaller than even tiny zoos today, without the help of modern technology, while the aforementioend staff was infected with all known diseases. WHY WON’T EVILUTIONISTS ACCEPT THIS AS GOOD SCIENCE?

I wonder which of Noah’s kids (or wives thereof) got to have cool stuff like elephantiasis, African eye worm, fire worm, and ebola virus?

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Posted by steve s on October 6, 2006 12:34 AM (e)

Mensa is composed of about 70% interesting, clever, knowledgeable people, and 30% psycho nutjobs. Guess which side is overrepresented at the monthly meetings?

The ones who can’t get dates…

Hey! I resemble that remark!

Even scarier is that the guy who runs the “museum” says that he’s a member of Mensa.

Better yet, he says he is the president of the International Creation Science Special Interest Group for Mensans.

Enough falling water to flood the earth would release enough heat energy to boil said flood waters, even if it only fell from a short height.

If by “short height” you mean anything lower than a skyscraper, it wouldn’t have much effect - even dropping water off the Empire State Building would cause a rise of less than 1 degree celsius. The temperature rise does not vary with the volume of water being dropped.

It’s the shock of impact, as you pointed out, that does vary in this fashion. Even if you made the boat’s hull out of diamond or something, it’d roll over pretty much instantly. At the very least, the force would kill most of the larger animals inside.

Hey, maybe that’s why the dinosaurs didn’t make it?

The North American continent goes surfing.

Brings a whole new meaning to “surfin’ USA”…

It is important (to creationists) to minimize God for several reasons:

1. The more overtly religious the “theory”, the less likely they can convince a court it’s science. In order to get creationism taught in schools, they desperately need a God-lite creationism. So far, they’ve been without.

2. Once you start the ball rolling, it just keeps going. I call it cascading miracle theory. You can explain any amount of preposterousness if you’re willing to accept an infinite number of miracles to get it going.

How did Noah gather the animals? Miracle. How did he feed the animals? Miracle. How did the ark not get crushed by the flood? Miracle. How did the wood of the ark not decay while he was building it with bronze age tech? Miracle. How did the animals survive the post flood devastation? Miracle.

Eventually, you get so many miracles that even creationists start to realize they are desperately grasping at straws to avoid evidence. They have to pair down the number of miracles to a “rational” number, just to keep believing it makes any sense at all. And then you run into “If it takes that many miracles to keep the ark going, why not just miracle the animals to safety to begin with?” a question for which they have no answer at all.

How did Noah gather the animals? Miracle. How did he feed the animals? Miracle. How did the ark not get crushed by the flood? Miracle. How did the wood of the ark not decay while he was building it with bronze age tech? Miracle. How did the animals survive the post flood devastation? Miracle.

Hey no problem. Certain contributors to this site are continually reminding us that science and religion are compatible.

” “First, a T-rex, contrary to common belief, simply cannot handle meat …” “ “ I hope they really push that one; no preteen boy on Earth would buy creationism. “

Yep. Calvin thought the idea that T-Rex was a scavenger was so bogus that it invalidated that theory. Imagine what he’d make of the idea T-Rex was a vegetarian!

Re “the idea that T-Rex was a scavenger”

As I understand it, there isn’t really a hard distinction between predator and scavenger; most meat eaters can go either way depending on circumstance.

stevaroni Wrote:

Yet nowhere else in the natural world does he use this, the single most important mechanical invention of all time — otherwise known as the wheel.

First you have to invent the road. And then the maintenance crew.

Actually, there is a desert spider that speeds along by bending its legs around itself in a wheel, and there is a sea anemone that balls itself up and rolls around on the sea floor.

a desert spider that speeds along by bending its legs around itself in a wheel, and there is a sea anemone that balls itself up and rolls around on the sea floor.

I saw lizards rolling themselves up into a wheel shape and rolling down hills on some nature show.

I saw lizards rolling themselves up into a wheel shape and rolling down hills on some nature show.

There’s a spider that does that, but I don’t recall any lizards. The armadillo lizard from southern Africa rolls itself into a ball when threatened (it grasps its tail in its mouth and tucks its feet in), but it doesn’t intentionally roll anywhere – it just uses its armored spiny back to protect its stomach by forming a ball.

Don’t birds wheel through the sky. ;)

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