Kazmer Ujvarosy (chief scientist of the Frontline Science Institute, one of the most prestigious research organizations dedicated to Intelligent Design) explains the theory of Intelligent Design in a very clear manner
First of all, they allege that ID theorists failed to name the designer.
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If ID critics want me to be even more specific, Christ identified himself as that intelligence which created the universe to make reproductions of himself in the form of human beings. In other words we find design in nature because Christ constitutes the seed of the universe, or the cosmic system’s input and output. As he disclosed it in Revelation 22:13, “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.”
It only gets better
Second, ID critics allege that the theory fails to provide testable claims. Again, this criticism is demonstrably false: ID is eminently testable, has been tested, and is being tested constantly. As a matter of fact, ID needs no testing at all. The fact that design is the basic quality of intelligence is so self-evident that anyone who doubts it has to be exquisitely ignorant or entirely delusional.
And then finally
Third, critics of Intelligent Design eagerly promote the fabrication that the theory completely lacks predictive power. Of course, nothing can be further from the truth. Because we know that human intelligence in Christ’s person is the seed, creator or designer of the universe, we are in the position to predict with unparalleled confidence that Christ is the universal common ancestor of all things created. Also we predict that universal common descent has its source in Jesus Christ.
Now, as far as ID is concerned, these are some of the more ‘lucid’ and revealing admissions by its proponents. Nevertheless, it shows how ID remains scientifically vacuous, but it does also help to re-establish the religious foundation of ID. And that from one of the most prestigious research organizations dedicated to Intelligent Design…
Did he not get the memo?
Whoops!
“My God… it’s full of starK, RAVING MADNESS!” Okay, so I tweaked the quote a bit. I’m having a tough time reading this thing in one chunk, it seems to hop around from one nonsensical assertion to the next, punctuated not by periods and commas, but instead with invectives and smug ad hominem. In between all the disjointed puffery and the tired, old hat claims, what strikes me the most is the deep irony of the whole page. Including the author’s profile. In my book, that’s more of a plus than the nutty word salad of Time Cube.
I had a quick look at his (or rather the Frontline Science Institute’s) webpage, and he links to an article of his where he advertises John Davison’s theories!
I guess he got it, and then wrote it down.
Bob
You’re missing the real Ujvarosy madness:
http://net.bio.net/hypermail/cellbi[…]/014688.html
Excerpts:
So how can a human being transform himself into a closed-loop control system for the proper regulation of his cell production? The answer is the feedback of his body’s genetic output. What is the genetic output of his body? Answer: the reproductive cells.
1.. The Yellow Emperor of China (c. 2697-2598 B.C.) practiced the feedback of his own reproductive cells for therapeutic purposes. (A. Ishihara & H. S. Levy, The Tao of Sex, Harper & Row, New York, 1970.) 2.. Christ partook of his own semen to show that “we must so do, that we may live.” (Interrogationes Maiores Mariae, quoted by St. Epiphanius in his Panarion, XXVI, cap. VIII.) 3.. A Gnostic sect celebrated the Eucharist (spiritual communion with God) by eating “… ‘their own sperm,’ declaring it to be ‘the body of Christ.’” (“Gnosticism,” Encyclopedia of Erotic Wisdom, R. C. Camphausen, Inner Traditions International, Rochester, Vermont, 1991.) 4.. “Semen, or Bindu, is held to be the true elixir of life by Yoga and Tantric schools alike.” (J. Mumford, Sexual Occultism, Llewellyn, Saint Paul, 1975.) 5.. “Human semen, as medicine, is used by many peoples, as by the Australians, who believe it an infallible remedy for severe illness. It is so used in European folk-custom “ (E. Crawley, The Mystic Rose, Macmillan, London, 1902.) 6.. Dutch missionaries in New Guinea observed that among many tribes “the male’s semen was regarded as a sacred substance” and was used in healing and in fighting epidemics (“Sperm Magic,” Encyclopedia of Erotic Wisdom, R. C. Camphausen, Inner Traditions International, Rochester, Vermont, 1991.)
This guy’s wearing a full nut suit.
And the good people at Overwhelming Evidence know about it:
http://www.overwhelmingevidence.com[…]table_claims
Full Nut Suit
“Also we predict that universal common descent has its source in Jesus Christ.”
that is interesting. Didn’t jesus live only 200 years ago? if everthing descended from him, did the people who lived befor him also descend from him? is there some retro-active descend going on?
I ahve a hard time believing that someone who kanes such absurd statements can be chief of anything. doesn’t really speak for the organisation he is heading, does it?
Will any of this be admissible in the next Dover trial?
Well, that sure makes science class a lot easier, and shorter. Saves money. Maybe we can put music classes back in school now.
If it wasn’t so obvious that Ujvarosy is a nutcase, it would have been fun to pick apart his ideas of scientific mechanisms and falsifiability.
Oh, it’s still fun: he expects other theories to falsify his own, not experiments on his own predictions. He is an excellent chief ‘scientist’ for ID, indeed!
From woo to you.
As strong compartmentalization behavior as Davison, btw. They will get along splendidly.
Or Behe’s under-oath testimony at Dover that the designer could possibly be - gasp - deceased?
I wonder if he became this delusional before or after he started eating his own holy emissions…
Are you sure Ujvarozy is ‘affiliated’ with the ID movement? I once read an article of his expecting it to be a parody of intelligent design, only to find he was totally serious. He’s a joke. I know ID people love to shoot themselves in the foot, but they’re not suicidal.
You’d be wrong. You have yet to experience the unimaginable amusement of dealing with
AIR FORCE DAVE HAWKINS
Try this: http://richarddawkins.net/forum/vie[…]ca3fa317e6e0
It’s unbelievably stupid - and I mean that choice of words very precisely. Dave makes Sal look honest - and that’s quite an accomplishment.
Dave Hawkins? Oh dear, there was a student by that name here long ago. Oh dear, oh dear…
Hope its a different person.
Okay, this is the first time I’ve looked at that site. I honestly cannot tell if it’s a parody or not. Would someone please tell me what this is all about?
After Matty posted the link to Over Whelming Evidence I went over there and made a few posts. I was certainly assertive but don’t believe I was at any point rude. You can read my posts for yourself at the link below. I’ve just discovered I have been blocked!
Hm, was it the “Darwinists” or the ID crowd who suppress discussion? I can’t recall. http://www.overwhelmingevidence.com[…]laims?page=1
I just logged in to Overwhelming Evidence under a different user name and left a post where I identified myself and politely complained about being blocked. The post lasted about 5 minutes before being deleted and my new user name also blocked.
I’ve been wasting time that I should have used productively reading that site. It is both fascinating and disturbing.
Assuming it is not a parody, that site is quite possibly the single best reason why ID advocates should not be allowed to have any influence whatsoever over the public school science curriculum. Those kids minds have been poisoned. They believe in some of the most ridiculous, counter-factual nonsense imaginable. If anything, I have badly underestimated just serious the threat posed by ID obscurantism truly is.
The mission statement on their website says “This site is meant to encourage students to explore the facts, report the facts, and debate the facts.” Yet they seem all to willing to bar people who try to debate them. You’re right Steve, I have better things to be doing (real science ironically) than reasoning with people who can’t/won’t be reasoned with.
Trouble is, baboon, when we note that these “predictions” are part and parcel of the ID of at least most IDists, the whiners at the CSC tell us that we’re wrong. In other words, your beef is with your allies, not your opponents.
We’re happy to take your word for it that you only have religion upon which to base ID.
Glen D http://tinyurl.com/b8ykm
Blah, Blah, Blah, All I heard was “You don’t need to test ID because God said so”. I guess were just “exquisitely ignorant”, because I don’t see it.
That’s the unending irony of ID, which constantly whinges about “censorship”, yet bans critics left and right.
Most of us are banned from Dembski’s UD, and probably most from OE. And many of those of us who aren’t banned from from UD wouldn’t post there other than in extremis, since they hold your posts and often refuse to put them up (arbitrariness, the lack of agreement with the emininent minds there, and rules made up as they go along are the reasons given). By contrast, few of them are banned from here (but almost all stay away since they can’t handle open discussion), and the ones who are banned committed blatant violations of the very few explicit rules on this forum (it seems that JAD didn’t violate typically invoked rules (tho’ I’m sure he violated what are essentially backup rules), however, but was eventually excluded for doing almost nothing except abusing others).
Then again, they’re not very good with irony, either going or coming. Otherwise they’d laugh at ID as a “scientific theory”. Their dull hypocrisy continues with virtually no comment after a while (though seems worth mentioning on occasion when the opportunity arises), since it’s funny only so long.
Glen D http://tinyurl.com/b8ykm
I should have learned from Libby’s experience a week or two back.
The honesty of Ujvarosy is refreshing because it’s exactly what most of the IDists believe.
The ID camp should look to this as an example and - my pet issue - drop the Easter Island and sky writing analogies whose legitimacy depends upon identifying one kind of designer vs. another.
The link Matty provides to the “Overwhelming Evidence” site needs more of a warning than merely “full nut suit” - maybe “Abandon all sanity, ye who enter here” would be sufficient (but maybe not).
Mental health advisory: excerpts follow.
Painful, isn’t it?(Hey, if my cells are emitting coherent biophotonic radiation, why can’t I see in the dark?)
To be fair, there are a couple of people over there trying to make sense, but they’d achieve more by shouting down a well.
“To be fair, there are a couple of people over there trying to make sense, but they’d achieve more by shouting down a well.”
I should have spent the morning reading papers instead of trying to post there. At least I could have read papers at the same time as shouting down a well.
Okay… I knew he was “nutty,” but I didn’t realize he advocated taking that description so “literally,” as it were. How much physics jargon can he possibly collude with biology to shove this travesty upon the public? It’s like he picked up The God Particle one day and decided to chuck it into a blender with his library of New Age How-To’s and a biology textbook, then write down whatever came out. I wonder if the resulting text passed Dembski’s Explanatory Filter to see whether or not it was divinely inspireddesigned before being referred to on OE. And this is supposed to be brilliant, testable insight! If Kazmer were still laboring under the shackles of sanity would any of this have been possible? Actually, one commentor noted that Kazmer’s claims don’t many any sense in a “strict materialist dogma,” but then questioned whether or not that was the fault of Kazmer or the fault of materialism. It’s that old dilemma ID faces: it tries to appeal to the authority of science to give it credibility, but it wants to change the rules for science in the process. Personally I think it’s pretty obvious that when your claims don’t make sense, it’s not the fault of “materialist dogma.” I’d like to see somebody set up an actual system under which those claims make any kind of sense.
So Overwhelming Evidence is for high school students. This explains somewhat the quality of the average post. Before I read that part, I was thinking of signing up for an account to see if I could blog there for a bit, posing questions for the IDists and whatnot, but I can’t find any privacy policy, Terms of Service, or any other informative page regarding A) how to conduct one’s self, B) how one’s account information (e-mail address etc.) could be used. In fact, I can’t even find a Search function on the site. So besides being too old by a few years, I’m scared away by any unwritten rules and policies there might be. Who designs this site, and are they being devious, or just inexcusably sloppy?
Re “and are they being devious, or just inexcusably sloppy?”
Probably.
Hey, Wheels,
You could always set up a hotmail account just for OE, and see what happens.
Pierce:
Those excerpts remind me of an episode of L&O SVU where the less-than-brilliant suspect had all kinds of technical writing in his home but couldn’t paraphrase a word of it.
Or Mary Baker Eddy’s “Key to Scripture”. I respect the work of the Christian Science Monitor et al, but that book is utter gibberish.
Human?? I thought this guy was supposed to be Christian. Now he sounds like Deepak Chopra on acid.
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