Free Hovinds

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I’m not sure what they are, but there is apparently a site offering free hovinds: FreeHovind.Com. Can anybody tell me what a hovind is before I order a free one?

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I notice one section is dedicated to having a petition for the President to pardon DR Hovind. (after all, Clinton pardoned some really terrible people). However, the pardons by this Administration may be used up by Scooter and possible future former administration aides and staff and officials.

This is a hovind:

http://www.evangelicalright.com/JesusDino.jpg

I think it’s supposed to be something like a centaur.

Free hovinds? Sounds interesting… Even though I ain’t got no purpose for one, it’s free nonetheless! And even though I also don’t know what a hovind is, I’ll still get one, since they are (you guessed it) for free.

I think it must be something like a “free radical”. As in the chant “Free (all) Radicals” in the 60s.

Is is like those free creationist textbooks put out by Harun Yahya? If so, it’s grossly overpriced.

I’m curious, is the site offering these Free Hovinds in any way connected to a solicitor working for a bank in Nigeria?

For some reason, the idea of receiving a “free hovind” reminds me of a line from a Woody Allen movie. To paraphrase, “The food is terrible, but the portions are huge!”

Reed A. Cartwright Wrote:

Can anybody tell me what a hovind is before I order a free one?

There’s no such thing as a free hovind. But I hear that Dembski will throw one in with an order of Jello.

Mmm. … What flavor of Jello?

I went to the site, and though I didn’t want to register and login, I do have a great idea for their Forum:

They should immedediately start praying that Kent gets sacrificed in prison, so he can be a true martyer! Just like the saints and The Lord God too!

But seriously… If there really WERE a God, there would be a Keep Hovind In Jail Longer Site. And I would be able to click on my computer screen and send him a couple of hundred volts, just for the fun of it.

At the least, you must get the free videos from this site. I downloaded them long ago after I saw them on local TV. I couldn’t tolerate an entire session on TV, so I thought if I had them on my computer, then, I would be able to manage small portions at a time. It is amazing how small those portions turn out to be. It takes but a few minutes before my brains hurt and I begin to feel nauseated. The Junior High School level ridicule, non sequiturs, completely ridiculous science, and enormous leaps of “logic” will soon leave your head spinning. Note the audience’s expressions and you will see evidence of a similar problem.

Hovey you be my woman now. Just pick up the soap.

“Free hovinds? Sounds interesting… Even though I ain’t got no purpose for one, it’s free nonetheless! And even though I also don’t know what a hovind is, I’ll still get one, since they are (you guessed it) for free.”

They may be free, but I hear that the upkeep is pretty expensive. Not to mention their annoying habits and potential side effects (such as causing your head to implode). Get an Irish Setter instead — they are far more intelligent and much better company. They also leave less of a mess.

Here is another site offering free hovinds - the Norwegian telephone book

http://www.gulesider.no/tk/search.c?q=hovind

There are 792 of them with various spelling variants: Hovind, Hovin, Hofvind etc. and including those who have Hovind as a middle name. There are also Hovinds in Denmark but I haven’t checked how common they are there.

Does Kent Hovind have his last name from Scandinavia and, if so, from which country?

Reed A. Cartwright Wrote:

Mmm.… What flavor of Jello?

It’s a really special flavor that can only be tasted by people who have faith that the flavor exists.

I live in Canada so would I have to pay any kind of a tax on a free hovind?

Reed A. Cartwright Wrote:

Mmm.… What flavor of Jello?

You won’t like it. It tastes like disappearing ink.

I live in Canada so would I have to pay any kind of a tax on a free hovind?

No, once you are the proud owner of a Hovind, you will ever have to pay tax ever again!

I don’t see why there is so much animosity towards Hovind? Maybe he’s right…throw a stone up a dark alley,and if you hear a squeal,you know you’ve hit something.If so,he seems to have hurt many people(with his stones) who’s names he’s never mentioned .Maybe the thing to do is ask why? If his stones(facts&figures)had no substance…they wouldn’t hurt! If they had no substance,he should have been debated into oblivion by now!!On the contrary,it seems other ways had to be proposed to stop him.I’ve heard a lot of ad hominid attacks on Hovind,but not many concerted efforts to address the points he makes(albeit..some of the points he makes,have been picked up from dubious interpretations) As far as his humor…well he says his seminars are for all ages,so its to hold their attention. I don’t think Hovind utters absolute truth…but then who does?? He condenses quite alot of important information from professional academics,and i think that instead of ridiculing the messenger,the focus should be on addressing the message.

Hovind is a shameless liar and cheat. Why shouldn’t that make honest people angry?

bill Wrote:

I’ve heard a lot of ad hominid [sic] attacks on Hovind,but not many concerted efforts to address the points he makes

Hovind makes some points?

Bill, pick out your favorite Hovind “point” and check it out on TalkOrigins’ Index of Creationist Claims. I’m sure you’ll find it there, along with a concerted effort to address it.

On the outside chance that you don’t find it, or if you just want to give the Panda’s Thumb regulars an opportunity to have some fun, then bring it over here. We’ll happily address any Hovind “point” that you think may have been ignored.

By the way, if a liar and a tax fraud is called a liar and a tax fraud, that’s not an ad hominem attack. (It may be an ad hominid attack, but that’s a completely different issue.)

We all look forward to your Hovind advocacy. Please bring his “points” over here one “point” at a time. Wait until one is debunked before you bring the next.

Oh this site is priceless!

I especially like the “Latest Official Blogs” postings, like the one named “Update from Bunk Three”.

You could simply not make this kind of stuff up! Nobody would believe you!

Meanwhile, out from bunk three pour ever greater gems of Ken’s undaunted wisdom, like this one …

”… the day before my thirty-third anniversary, my wife and I were arrested without notice or warning that the IRS thought we were doing something unlawful. We were shocked to say the least.”

Yup, that one came right out of the clear, blue sky there, Ken.

But fear not, gentle readers, even in the absence of out fearless Ken, somehow his team soldiers on…

“Eric has done a great job managing things in my absence. He continues to do creation seminars as well. Dinosaur Adventure Land is still open for Winter Park hours, Thursday through Saturday, 10:00 - 5:00. The park hosted about 80 this past Saturday.”

Hosting? Does that mean paid admissions? If Saturday is the busy day there, that means that Erick has a thriving theme park there, “hosting” maybe 200 visitors a week.

I’ll put money down that “Eric” makes damned sure that he checks the numbers twice when he sends in a check for the payroll taxes every single week, probably by certified mail with a delivery confirmation requested .

I followed their link to the site they acknowledged as the source of their dinosaur images.

Strangely enough, the artist sorts his work by the Era, Period and Epoch they come from. He also gives dates like “270 million years ago (Early Permian)”.

You have to admire the flexibility of a mind that can rationalise away such facts in order to hold on to concepts that amount to nothing more than wishful thinking.

Reminds me of exactly the same joke, some years ago, concerning the song Free Nelson Mandela by the Specials AKA.

Mind you, I’m certainly not doing any sort of comparison between Hovind and Mandela…

bill Wrote:

I don’t see why there is so much animosity towards Hovind? Maybe he’s right…throw a stone up a dark alley,and if you hear a squeal,you know you’ve hit something.

Well yeah. He throws stones at reason, so people who value reason don’t like him.

If so,he seems to have hurt many people(with his stones) who’s names he’s never mentioned .Maybe the thing to do is ask why?

Yes, he’s hurt a lot of people. He’s actively participated them in steering them away from the last two or three centuries of progress in understanding how the universe works in favor of his interpretation of a fairytale. That’s hurting people. He’s also lied and cheated in several different directions at once, not the least of which was his attempt at defrauding the government.

If his stones(facts&figures)had no substance…they wouldn’t hurt! If they had no substance,he should have been debated into oblivion by now!!

The “substance” of his stones is to mislead people. He has been “debated into oblivion”; nobody who understands anything about how science, or even simple logic, works takes his ideas seriously. Unfortunately, that doesn’t mean that nobody at all gives his blatherings any credence.

On the contrary,it seems other ways had to be proposed to stop him.I’ve heard a lot of ad hominid attacks on Hovind,but not many concerted efforts to address the points he makes(albeit..some of the points he makes,have been picked up from dubious interpretations)

Then you’re clearly not one of the people who has kept up with rpogress. It’s exactly the kind of appeal to ignorance that makes Hovind and his ilk capable of continuing to be taken seriously by some while intentionally either lying outright or lying by omission. The fact is, there’s not a single point that Hovind has ever made that hasn’t been addressed, usually on multiple occasions and frequently by very reputable people. The problem isn’t, therefore, that his points haven’t been addressed, it’s that you don’t know that they’ve been addressed.

As far as his humor…well he says his seminars are for all ages,so its to hold their attention. I don’t think Hovind utters absolute truth…but then who does??

Hovind thinks he does, absolutely.

He condenses quite alot of important information from professional academics,and i think that instead of ridiculing the messenger,the focus should be on addressing the message.

The message is a steaming pile of manure delivered by an individual whose ethics have landed him a decade-long prison sentence. He applies the same ethical standards to his arguments regarding evolutionary biology. Just as he withheld money owed to the government, he withholds facts from his audiences. He doesn’t condense any “important information from professional academics.” Not a shred of it. What he does is attempt to advance a long-disproven idea (I won’t even stoop to calling it a hypothesis, since it can’t be tested) through the most disreputable of methods.

Hovind is nothing more than a common criminal and liar. It speaks volumes about his remaining supporters that they’re willing to give him a pass on this when the man essentially made his living by making promises in the first place. One thing I will say for him; as con-men go, he has a tremendous talent for picking out his pigeons.

Funny site. They have only 6 signatures on the petition so far. You think we could name them? Were YOU one of them, bill?

I got a grin out of an apparent creationist ignoramus using the word “hominid”. Thanks, bill.

The substance of his stones is, like i said, his facts and figures…and he certainly was not debated into oblivion. He was still debating (if he could find someone who would debate him)up until his problems. There are plenty of people who understand science&logic who refute Darwinism!! And if you want to talk about logic…If you believe the Big Bang theory (in a Darwinian sense).Then you believe all the matter&energy (as well as space and time) came into existence out of nothing, from nowhere & for no reason! Breaking at least two very fundamental laws…Cause&Effect and the first law of Thermodynamics (energy can neither be created or destroyed).Then you have to believe that instead of exploding and expanding “forever”, it “arranged” itself into matter, then “arranged” the matter into a clockwise Universe (a neat trick!) just right for humans. Breaking the second Law of Thermodynamics (Entropy: every thing breaks down into less complex forms).All without outside intelligence!.…Does that seem logical to you??! These LAWS have never being observed to have been broken, so it takes assumption to believe otherwise. Of course you have to except it weather it seems logical to you or not, because you have a bias’s toward the idea of a Creator. Just like i, as a Christian, have a bias against a theory that excludes design by a Creator. The trick is(and no i haven’t succeeded in accomplishing it yet)is to set the bias aside, and look at the facts. Like those mentioned above, which without a prior bias would be inconceivable to believe they happened by pure random chance. Not just the insurmountable odds (probability weighs heavily against evolution)it has to overcome, but also with the breakdown of reason needed to believe it. You can start with those two Brian (matter from nothing & and complexity from chaos).…but Please, before you start with multi-universes,bubble-universes,and all the rest of the contorted logic needed to escape the conclusion of a Creator…Be aware in your examples of what can be SHOWN to be true, and what is ASSUMED to be true

The substance of his stones is, like i said, his facts and figures…and he certainly was not debated into oblivion. He was still debating (if he could find someone who would debate him)up until his problems. There are plenty of people who understand science&logic who refute Darwinism!! And if you want to talk about logic…If you believe the Big Bang theory (in a Darwinian sense).Then you believe all the matter&energy (as well as space and time) came into existence out of nothing, from nowhere & for no reason! Breaking at least two very fundamental laws…Cause&Effect and the first law of Thermodynamics (energy can neither be created or destroyed).Then you have to believe that instead of exploding and expanding “forever”, it “arranged” itself into matter, then “arranged” the matter into a clockwise Universe (a neat trick!) just right for humans. Breaking the second Law of Thermodynamics (Entropy: every thing breaks down into less complex forms).All without outside intelligence!.…Does that seem logical to you??! These LAWS have never being observed to have been broken, so it takes assumption to believe otherwise. Of course you have to except it weather it seems logical to you or not, because you have a bias’s toward the idea of a Creator. Just like i, as a Christian, have a bias against a theory that excludes design by a Creator. The trick is(and no i haven’t succeeded in accomplishing it yet)is to set the bias aside, and look at the facts. Like those mentioned above, which (without prior bias) would be inconceivable to believe they happened by pure random chance. Not just the insurmountable odds (probability weighs heavily against evolution)it has to overcome, but also with the breakdown of reason needed to believe it without that bias. You can start with those two Brian (matter from nothing & and complexity from chaos).…but Please, before you start with multi-universes,bubble-universes,and all the rest of the contorted logic needed to escape the conclusion of a Creator…Be aware in your examples of what can be SHOWN to be true, and what is ASSUMED to be true

opp’s.…sorry about the double posting

morris said:

and evolutionists use it to out date human tools and the “missing links.”

Ummmmm.…what? Really? I work in this field, and I am at a loss to understand where you got that notion. Please, I would love to see the paper where carbon 14 is used to date “missing links.” When you say something this inane and dissociated from reality, it deeply undermines your credibility.

He tells the truth and you are defending your sick selves because even though you all know you’re wrong you try to not show just how rong you are. He is an amazing man who tells nothing but the truth and he can give you all evidence and facts!! no theories. No lies. All Gods word. Your pride overcomes you and you have been brainwashed Open your eyes before its too late

Anna said:

All Gods word. Your pride overcomes you and you have been brainwashed Open your eyes before its too late

I call Poe.

I am in the middle of writing to the white house 100 letters to ask for the pardon of Kent hovind . I live in Ireland and i only heard of kent and listened to his teaching’s in the last two year’s and he has helped me to develope a stronger faith in God the creator of the heaven and the earth . I am now doing my bit for Kent because he still help’s me through his video’s . Free Kent Hovind

Greg Hannon said:

Free Kent Hovind

And not a bargain at that price, either.

Boyoboy, Mr Hannon, are you ever in the wrong place here!

A “free Hovind”: Yep, that is about what a Hovind is worth. At least “they” know the value of their product. It amazes me that you can get a Hovind for free, and still people are sending in money.

Seriously: I’ve read some of Kent Hovind’s books/pamphlets, and, as a previous poster has noted; too long of a time with them makes your head hurt.

Marc said:

A “free Hovind”: Yep, that is about what a Hovind is worth. At least “they” know the value of their product. It amazes me that you can get a Hovind for free, and still people are sending in money.

Seriously: I’ve read some of Kent Hovind’s books/pamphlets, and, as a previous poster has noted; too long of a time with them makes your head hurt.

In the same way smelling oil-based paint fumes make your head hurt.

bill said:

I don’t see why there is so much animosity towards Hovind? Maybe he’s right…throw a stone up a dark alley,and if you hear a squeal,you know you’ve hit something.If so,he seems to have hurt many people(with his stones) who’s names he’s never mentioned .Maybe the thing to do is ask why? If his stones(facts&figures)had no substance…they wouldn’t hurt! If they had no substance,he should have been debated into oblivion by now!!On the contrary,it seems other ways had to be proposed to stop him.I’ve heard a lot of ad hominid attacks on Hovind,but not many concerted efforts to address the points he makes(albeit..some of the points he makes,have been picked up from dubious interpretations) As far as his humor…well he says his seminars are for all ages,so its to hold their attention. I don’t think Hovind utters absolute truth…but then who does?? He condenses quite alot of important information from professional academics,and i think that instead of ridiculing the messenger,the focus should be on addressing the message.

Kent Hovind’s arguments are “devoid of substance”, and they have been “debated into oblivion”; but those unsubstantial arguments continue to be believed by so many people that, as a result, they continue to hold sway and influence political and social decisions in spite of their lack of substance. Kent Hovind’s arguments, by virtue of their mere repetition, have acquired the image of “fact” or “truth” without the necessary substance of “fact” or “truth” to validate them

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