The Creation Museum

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The long-gestating and expensive monument to creationism's folly, the Creation "Museum" of Ken Ham and Answers in Genesis, is having its grand opening tomorrow. We've collected the blogosphere-wide reaction to this amazingly inane edifice at Pharyngula, in an article called simply The Creation Museum.

We do not take a conciliatory or encouraging view to this development.

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The creation museum might well backfire on the creos. Ham has dinosaurs wandering around with mammoths and humans, a supercontinent that broke up 4,000 years ago with runaway plate tectonics rafting marsupials to Australia at miles/year speeds. Needless to say, the whole ad hocracy conflicts with most of the last 400 years of science.

In the conflict between a pack of ad hoc fairy tales and reality, reality will eventually win. Not to say that it won’t necessarily be soon.

Reposting this from the last thread. The Realpc/pc2 troll has already managed to derail that thread and it looks to be setting up for another 100 post waste. If people wouldn’t feed the trolls they would go somewhere else.

I sure hope you are right about the creation museum backfiring. Unfortunately, a huge proportion of Americans are essentially scientifically illiterate, and they are credulous and lazy to boot.

I really do hope you are right and I’m overly pessimistic.

I really do hope you are right and I’m overly pessimistic.

I hope I’m just not being naive and indulging in wishful thinking, LOL.

1. Reactions so far haven’t been too positive. The mainstream media is rather skeptical and lukewarm. The scientific community is appalled at another attempt to create the dark ages.

2. There is a backlash in the US against religious fanatics in general and fundies in particular. The sunni-shiite masacres in Iraq have shown us what fanatics with god, automatic rifles, IEDs, and power drills on their side can do. It’s not pretty. Many people like the majority aren’t too pleased with some of what our latest government has done with witch hunts in the DOJ, EPA, NASA, Interior, and other disasters.

I’ll be honest, I’ve really considered things like this for a career. Just get really big in the huckster crowd and when I retire, just pull the rug out from under them… Big laugh for me.

Raven understandably said:

The Realpc/pc2 troll has already managed to derail that thread and it looks to be setting up for another 100 post waste. If people wouldn’t feed the trolls they would go somewhere else.

But someone is always going to feed them, and in part it needs to be done, else a lurker mistake their nonsense for reliable information.

Trolls should be banned. What’s the downside? That they’ll claim persecution? They are going to do that anyway.

this is fairly close to me. It might be worth checking out one day when I am really bored. I just wish there was a way to see it without giving them any money. It’s $19 admission for adults, right about were I guessed. The old museum here is only $5 and is a nice place for kids.

It is honestly one of those things that scares you. This has a lot of support, that area tends to be more conservative. the thing cost millions. The fact that people believe this horse shit is not only shocking but disrespectful of their species as a whole. If they believe this what other delusions do they got and many of these people have power.

This could be good in a way. It could show how bad education has gotten. It may also wake up a few kids in some of these whacked out families, one lives behind me. It really blows my mind that people really think this way. It blew my mind when i was 6, even then i knew better. I enjoyed the stories but never viewed than as anything more. Noah was one of my favorites too. I was never fond of Genesis, i thought it too cruel for wanting to learn. Why should humans be punished for seeking knowledge. I find that story very ironic. so does that mean knowledge is a sin?

scott, what is even worse is the flood, Noah and his family were forced to use ear plugs to avoid hearing the screams of all those innocent babies and childre god was murdering with the flood(or should I use the bible’s favorite word “smite”) bible, much too evil for me, should be X rated.

Unfortunately, a huge proportion of Americans are essentially scientifically illiterate, and they are credulous and lazy to boot.

And some of those are members of school boards, legislators and even a President! I hope that a lot of the credulous, Googling for the museum, wind up at the Carnival.

That brings up an interesting point. Any word on whether George W. plans on visiting? After all, he doesn’t have to worry about losing votes anymore.

This could be good in a way. It could show how bad education has gotten. It may also wake up a few kids in some of these whacked out families, one lives behind me. It really blows my mind that people really think this way. It blew my mind when i was 6, even then i knew better. I enjoyed the stories but never viewed than as anything more. Noah was one of my favorites too. I was never fond of Genesis, i thought it too cruel for wanting to learn. Why should humans be punished for seeking knowledge. I find that story very ironic. so does that mean knowledge is a sin?

No,knowledge is not sin. Adam and Eve disobeyed God. Because of this Creation became so corrupted that the “earth was full of violence” The Lord saw how great man’s wickedness on the earth had become (because of sin),and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart (or desire)was only evil all the time. But God main purpose for the flood was not to destroy man but to destroy both “Them” corrupted and everything under heaven (the earth) and only a world wide flood could do that. so seeking knowledge is not the issue.

Wow! You guys are really running scared. I have never seen a more hateful, degrading website. The personal attacks are outrageous! I cannot see Ken Ham, or anyone else from Answers in Genesis, lowering themselves enough to attack you personally. Why not let them do their thing? After everything is said and done, the truth, whatever it is, should prevail.

People who believe the religion of evolution (yes, it is a belief system that takes a lot of faith) state, as though it is fact, that man did not live with dinosaurs. The entire planet hasn’t been explored yet. You may have to eat your words.

YABADABADOO said Fred Flintstone. If the American people wish to believe in this horseshit, like Iraq’s weapon of mass destruction - then that’s fine, as you’re a “free country”. We’ll take your science and technology jobs and wealth here in Western Europe, and I’m sure Japan and China will have them too. This really is a road to serfdom, and a philosophy of medieval ignorance. It’s about time your once proud country that put men on the moon in 1969 started educating its people - and quickly!

PS If I were you I would examine who is making the profits in this enterprise of deliberately misleading a gullible population? The religious fundamentalists must be really coining it in, and a museum serving up religious dogma masquerading as science should be taken to a trading standards organisation.

CREATIONISM/INTELLIGENT DESIGN = A philosophy of ignorance for generally conceited self-righteous people who can’t be bothered to learn about mathematics and the physical sciences, and have never thought of looking at the night sky through a telescope. They have thus never experienced the revelation that the 14 billion year old cosmos is wonderful enough without having to resort to deceitful deities who mislead their children when it comes to the Doppler Shift and carbon isotope dating.

After everything is said and done, the truth, whatever it is, should prevail.

and your evidence for that is what, exactly?

so does that mean knowledge is a sin?

yup.

and ignorance is strength.

it’s too bad that rather than taking 1984 as the warning it was meant to be, so many appear to take it instead as an instruction manual.

Adrian White wrote in Comment #181428 on June 2, 2007 11:10 PM

People who believe the religion of evolution (yes, it is a belief system that takes a lot of faith) state, as though it is fact, that man did not live with dinosaurs. The entire planet hasn’t been explored yet. You may have to eat your words.

If you would be so kind as to point us at the right location the digging will start immediately. I am surprised you haven’t started it already, seeing as how you are so sure the evidence is on your side. There are millions of dollars available to the creationists, as evidenced by that $60M carnival sideshow(it doesn’t deserve the moniker ‘museum’). With money like that available why aren’t you out there doing the archaeological work necessary to find your evidence?

Insincerely,

Finally, a moral justification for incest in a museum setting.

Sorry Godless scientists, say what you will about evolution (we’ll just ignore you) but we’ve had it with your holier than holy ‘thou shalt not marry your sister’ crap.

If birth defects are due to sin, rather than genetics, then there’s nothing to stop 2 God-fearing sin-free Christians from marrying whoever they like.

It’s another sad day for our species when deranged thought masticizes into a $27 million dollar fantasy land. Cognitive thinking has taken a backseat to ludicrous, enigmatic concepts conjured through dogmatic interpretation of Biblical accounts. Perhaps these folks are attempting to disprove evolution by plainly demonstrating mental regression. I particularly enjoyed discovering that Noah rounded up all the Dinosaurs and Wooly Mammoths. I’ll stick to visiting Disney World; its more realistic.

If you’re in the UK, come and visit the Discovery Life Centre:

http://www.life.org.uk/

in the heart of Newcastle-upon-Tyne. A superb facility for public science education/outreach, and where the public can enjoy real falsifiable scientific theories, such as evolution. The centre also participates is cutting-edge bio-molecular science, has a fantastic new planetarium, and displays on global warming, recycling, stem cell research, ageing and hands-on experience for children with a variety bugs, reptiles and snakes.

Or there again, you could visit the Ken Ham Flintstones Theme Park (presumably he’s obtained sponsorship and the necessary licences from Hanna-Barbera!). In the UK he would be regarded as taking the P**S!

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