In FortBendNow we hear from a teacher about her experience with teaching the science of evolution
I taught sixth grade in Texas for three years 2001-2004. During that time, I was absolutely warned to not begin to say the word “evolution” or we would have every preacher in the district, as well as the media, breathing down our necks, and then there would truly be no teaching or learning. Sadly, I needed the position, so I played the “hide the issue and hide the learning” game.
The teacher concludes
God forbid that we should teach knowledge over “beliefs.” No wonder our politicians keep repeating the mantra “I believe …this and I believe …that” The “belief” word demands free reign to twist reality without being questioned. It is a true tragedy when believing trumps thinking, especially in our schools.
Investigating and publicizing this type of thing could prove very useful for promoting good science education. The IDers tend to complain about the “system” that shuts them out from science - but I suspect this type of discrimination is much more common than supposed anti-ID discrimination in academia.
And yet, these same fire-breathing Christians don’t mind the fact that they’ve turned their children into educational laughingstocks.
Yes, but don’t expect miracles from it. Unfortunately, many would read about it and applaud the censorship, or worse, seek to implement it if they weren’t already doing so.
I wish that this were not a very old story (worth bringing up yet again, certainly), but it’s far too much standard fare throughout the mid-section of the US.
Glen D
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There’s more wrong there than just creationism, I’m afraid. It would be nice if a grade-school teacher could actually spell “free rein” properly. (The idiom refers to slackening reins to give one’s riding-horse its head, hence freedom to move as it wishes, not to any instrumentality of rulerdom.)
The last seven years have shown that it’s even worse in the White House.
It is as bad or worse in Arkansas. Most schools just don’t teach evolution. FWIW, it seems to be trivial for school districts to just ignore the state standards or US constitution. There seems to be no interest in monitoring or enforcing much of anything.
Don’t know about states other than Texas or Arkansas but it seems likely that this is common in the south-central USA. On the WC, teaching creationist myths in a high school science class can and has gotten teachers in huge trouble.
Having a fair idea of what small towns in East Texas are like, I have a certain sympathy for the school administration in avoiding the “e” word. If it comes down to an ugly choice between academic standards and self-preservation, I can’t really sit here in the safety of my own little cozy home and fault them for choosing self-preservation. Obviously the problem needs to be addressed, somehow, at a higher level.
Rule #1 for school districts: Don’t make waves.
Rules #2-10 for school districts: See Rule #1
Yes, It is understandable. I don’t blame the school teachers for not wanting to be martyrs, especially when it probably won’t make any difference whatsoever.
I doubt most of the school officials really care that much one way or another.
We are constantly being told on the one hand that there is a shortage of qualified science and math teachers. That the US is falling behind in science education versus the rest of the world, stats say US students are about in the middle of the pack. Then, some places make it difficult or impossible to teach science and math.
At least we haven’t made Voluntary Ignorance a national priority. Yet.
The quote from Wiles was rather an eye-opener for me, having never lived anywhere where the TOE was seriously questioned, but I can sympathize with the people concerned not wanting their names to be mentioned.
What are the professional institutions in the states concerned doing? Situations like this closely resemble those in which unions were initiated. If a state-wide scientific or educational organization (such as a university or teachers’ society) is loudly promoting evolution, it becomes much harder for the creationists to keep the lid on than when individual teachers are acting alone.
Secondly, could universities specify that biology students who graduated from states that fail to have adequate teaching of evolution be required to take a remedial (and call it that) course in biology with the emphasis on evolution?
Could it be that a small change in word choice might make some small difference? Perhaps by avoiding the word “believe” or the phrase “do you believe” when discussing evolution versus creationism we might deny the carte blanch option of someone spouting doctrine instead of thinking about their reply. I don’t really know, but I am doing the experiment.
In my general conversation I have started omitting use of “believe” in favor of other expressions. For instance, when asking someone about their political preferences, I no longer ask, “Do you believe that candidate X is well informed on the problem of illegal immigration?” Instead, I might phrase the question, “What do you “think” of candidate X’s position on …”
This occurred to me some time back when I tried to define for myself what I “believe” in. After interrogating myself brutally I realized that the things I “believe” in were countable on the fingers of one hand. For instance, I believe (‘nuff quote marks) that my mother loves me. I can think of no way to prove this belief, even though she says she does. I have what I see as copious evidence but none of it would convince someone who might claim that she does not. There is no concrete evidence save the stories that I could tell to describe what I perceive as her love for me. The same goes for such things as, say gravity. I cannot convince someone else that mass creates gravity by mutual attraction to someone who thinks that the natural inclination of a weight is to rest upon something. Although it is quite obvious that a mass suspended from a string will swing slightly towards a nearby mountain such that the angle of the string will not be vertical as measured by geometry, someone could always say they don’t believe it. Whether from ignorance or dogma, their contradiction is the same.
Given the power of language and its malleability over time, could it not be possible to speak in such a way as to cause the listener to consider the facts rather than what they assume, or have been taught, to be so?
This may seem like a weak effort but I am being slowly persuaded that it might be one of the many tactics necessary to impart to irrational people the value of the scientific method in all questions concerning what is, and what ‘aint.
I don’t believe it, but I suspect that it might be so. Just a small addition to the arsenal of tools useful in combating the crap that we must wade through everywhere we go.
How come the science side doesn’t have the gumption to make a movie called “Suppressed,” showing that the creationists have been widely successful in shutting up science teachers about evolution?
I left this thread about the ignorant barbarians of Texas and Arkansas and “Floribama” a little while ago and checked in on another site where (among other things…) discussions occasionally arise about the creeping threat of pandemic influenza. I was stricken with this quote from Egypt (where 19 of the 43 bird flu cases among humans have been fatal since February 2006).
“It was the will of God that she died. The chickens had nothing to do with it.” - http://www.flu.org.cn/en/news_detai[…]newsId=14006
Is this where we’re going? Silence about “the e-word” can lead to silence about biology - and medicine - and science.
Pandemic influenza is coming someday…and we’re getting dumber.
Welcome to the New Dark Ages.
But some in this administration seem to be working hard on Compulsory Ignorance.
One of the schools in Arkansas is a specialized school for gifted and talented students ( here ). I have had some experiences with the national consortium to which this school belongs because I taught in one of them in Michigan after I retired from research. It would be a travesty if a school like this is being prevented from teaching evolution.
Good question. The toll so far is 2 university professors tossed, 1 top administrator in Texas (Comer), and 1 professor threatened. Below the university level, who knows?
Clearly the teachers in Arkansas and Texas are scared to death of losing their jobs and they should know more about that than anyone. My guess, a lot of teachers just give up, move out, or teach something noncontroversial like burger flipping. Which will come in handy for their students after graduation.
“Persecuted” or HERETICS DIE!!! or “The New Inquisition” would be a better title.
Maybe there isn’t a wealthy donor who cares enough to kick in a few million bucks on such a movie. PBS did do a well received show on the Dover trial recently, reviewed on this website.
That attitude is common in the third world and not unheard of in the USA. It is not just Moslems.
Quite often it is blamed on witches. In Cambodia, when all the chickens in a village came down with influenza and died, the inhabitants quite cleverly identified a woman from another village as a witch, the cause, and killed her with a machete. They couldn’t understand why the government got so upset.
Emerging diseases are like buses, there is always another one coming along. Most likely they will arise in third world settings with negligible understanding of the germ theory of disease. After all, is is just a theory.
There was a play once that rather made the point. It used evolution as an analog to the Red Scare and the persecutions perpetrated by Sen. Joseph McCarthy. It was made into a movie, eventually. You may want to watch for it: “Inherit the Wind.”
This shocking state of affairs should make every American ashamed. It is no less than institutionalised child abuse.
Warning, turn off your irony meters:
Requiring public school science class to teach only that which has earned the right to be taught as science, and allowing students to learn every alternative “theory” or phony “critical analysis,” however religious and/or unscientific, on their on time, is “censorship.”
And “absolutely warned to not begin to say the word “evolution” or we would have every preacher in the district, as well as the media, breathing down our necks, and then there would truly be no teaching or learning.” is not.
raven,
Good things do also happen in the south-central US. Several years ago, the state of Tennessee was clearing a road bed near Johnson City and happened on a collection of bones, which upon some investigation, turned out to be a huge Miocene fossil bed, a wonderful and rare find for our part of the country. The governor of Tennessee stopped road construction in order for the bed to be studied and eventually, the road was moved to make way for a small fossil site and museum. It is a delightful little museum and very important fossil site - largest collection of tapir fossils in the world. Researchers have also uncovered the remains of a red panda. The museum is packed with visitors. Just so happens that the site extends under some property owned by a fundamentalist church, which offered to sell the property to the state for a huge sum of money and a signed statement that declared the earth to be only 6000 years old. The state of Tennessee politely refused to sign the statement. While some may think that we are a hotbed of ignorance down here, it’s just not true.
I am about to teach the opening lecture in our “Introduction to Biological Anthropology” class here in Arkansas. It serves as a core science class, and many students take it as an easy alternative to biology (and get surprised when they find out that we teach the same stuff). Over the years, we have had plenty of student feedback corroborating the fact that evolution is not taught in K-12 in many Arkansas schools. Just a month ago I had a student in my office who was telling me that she had failed the first time through the class because she had only been taught creationism. Generally speaking, it is rare for a student to openly object in the class. However, I am told we are on the “do not take” list of classes at one of the local Baptist churches off campus. One of my TAs yesterday told me that a student from last semester (when another faculty was teaching the class) was going to declare anthropology her major so that should challenge and harass the professor (sadly, she dropped the class). We regularly see students get up and leave when evolution is taught. We have had students reading Bibles in the class where everyone can see them. One year I found out that a couple of students were holding prayer meetings in front of my office while I taught. Another year I had two students who tried to disrupt the class by asking question after question. They finally backed off when there antics were documented by a columnist in the local student paper.
I have two kids. Evolution is required in middle school, and the textbook is excellent, giving extensive coverage. My son’s teacher has been doing a great job. My daughter’s teacher completely skipped the entire section. Fortunately, her 9th grade teacher aggressively teaches the subject. But this is in a University town. Then again, in this same enclave of openness, my kids encountered several teachers openly ridiculing evolution, and one who was teaching that the plow was invented by Adam (he was subsequently fired after numerous complaints). I can only assume that the situation is much, much worse in the more rural districts.
mplavcan,
For years I have been a hairline away from agreeing with Ronald Bailey (yes, that Ronald Bailey) that we should just get rid of public schools. Your examples are pushing me closer to the edge.
In the meantime I’m fascinated by the religious right’s stand on public education. When the subject is English or History, they’re more convinced than Bailey that scrapping the system is the only option. But when the subject is Science, they just want to “help”.
There was a play once that rather made the point. It used evolution as an analog to the Red Scare and the persecutions perpetrated by Sen. Joseph McCarthy. It was made into a movie, eventually. You may want to watch for it: “Inherit the Wind.”
Yes, but that made it look like a single, isolated incident. We need to make it clear that there is a pervasive trend toward suppressing teaching evolution. It’s especially pernicious since there are numerous creationists who claim that Americans systematically reject evolution even after being taught about it, which is far from the truth. Most of them have never been exposed to it in any systematic way.
Never see that on the West Coast.
What bothers me the most, the fundies are just setting up their kids to fail. We are a technological knowledge based society in a competitive world.
Creationism is contradicted not just by biology but physics, astronomy, geology and all other sciences to one extent or another. I guess they don’t go into any hi tech knowledge based fields or health care very often.
PS The fear of creo college students about even learning about evolution would be humorous if it wasn’t so frightening. This is primitive superstition equal to anything one might find in the third world.
Is their faith really that fragile? Theologically it is total nonsense anyway. Salvation is by faith and/or good works only and there is no scriptural basis whatsoever that requires believing nonsense.
The Texas Higher Education Coordinating Board meets next week, and could act on a recommendation IN FAVOR of state approval for a MASTERS DEGREE IN SCIENCE EDUCATION offered by the Institute for Creation Research.
Before January 23, I think the Board needs to hear that by interpreting their standards this way, they would risk violating the No Child Left Behind law, and jeopardize their reciprocity agreements for teacher certification with other states.
See http://curricublog.org/2008/01/12/icr-nclb/
My children go to a private Christian school that does not teach evolution as a fact like the local public schools. Our Test scores on the SOLs are higher than the local public schools. My sons favorite subject is science. They study physics, astronomy, geology and they know the difference between fact based science and theories. More of our graduating students go to colleges and universities than public schools. We have no need for police at our school. We have no teenage pregnancy rate, period. We teach biblical sex ed. and most of all accountability. Every student is held accountable for there own actions. You should take a little time and maybe study both sides or go hear a lecture from ICR instead of jumping to the conclusion that we are stupid and not intellectual.
J, Your children are doing well academically because of YOU. You seem to be a parent interested in the education of the children. You must be very nurturing, and I believe that is the main reason. If they were taught MET in science class they would have been even better prepared to take science and engineering careers.
Looks like your local church and clergymen are taking credit for results of the good parenting you are doing.
Public schools must take all comers, and sadly there are many parents quite apathetic about their children’s education and ethics. So beating your local public school is not really a great achievement to crow about.
As far taking some little time and studying both sides, how come your Christian school is teaching only one side?
The hearing on this proposal has just been delayed until April, according to a story just posted on the Dallas Morning News website.
See http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcon[…]2275123.html
J, I know there are good schools that are public or private. I know that children can learn, even if they are sent to a school that intentionally refuses to teach proper science. I know that some schools can manage to have no pregnant students despite their totally irresponsible attitude toward those students. That does not mean that I believe your story or that I recommend such silliness to anyone else.
Clearly, you do not teach accountability, since you advocate dishonesty, even to the extent of endorsing the ICR. As anyone who has spent any time learning about them would know, the ICR is an enemy of science and Christianity. They have already proven that they lie to profit. They are now lying to Texas and falsely claiming that they are offering a science education. What kind of accountability is that?
J:
My children go to a mainstream Presbyterian church which accepts the fact of evolution. Our church places many candidates in the ministry of Word and Sacrament and does extensive missionary work within our community. My children understand the difference between right and wrong and are constantly working to understand the role of faith and service to God in their lives. Maybe you should take a little time to study both sides and go hear a lecture from a scientist instead of jumping to the conclusion that evolution is amoral.
I take it it’s an all-boys school?
That depends on how you define “best supported” of course.
If you mean the most basic theory, which constrains the others, thermodynamics wins hands down.
If you mean predicting the most facts, perhaps evolution wins? Biology has amassed a great deal of observations, and I wouldn’t be surprised if evolution would be tested more than thermodynamics as such.
If you mean predicting the most qualified facts, I would put my money on messy biology.
And if you mean the most statistical significance or precision evolution wins hands down:
Huh, we crossposted.
Good idea, generality (unity) is yet another sense of support.
But AFAIK, general relativity, incomplete and/or flawed as it is, has no unique global energy description (energy condition). [Or at least that is what they tell me, as I haven’t studied it.] So in that sense thermodynamics is only supported locally as of yet.
Then again, Penrose and Hawking may have some global thermodynamical descriptions on the full cosmic scale, covering the big bang singularity and onwards. Does anyone know about their results?
Btw, thinking further, to be fair to evolution in such a comparison it would be applicable on the cosmic scale too.
And again I would bet money on that evolution would describe all life everywhere but a vanishing number of entities, as it contains selection (AFAIU among a population, but still) and would in all probability be the most vigorous. (Earning the epithet the process of life, as this lay man sees it.)
I’ve heard (no doubt from biased sources) that quantum eltectrodynamics (QED) has the record for the most decimal places of agreement between theory and experiment, probably due to the statistical nature of the theory combined with the fact that there’s no difference at all between one electron and another, making for less experimental variation. You also get mountains of raw data even faster than breeding fruit flies.
Apologies for the run-on sentence.
Yes, I agree that QED agrees best with experiments and also with cosmic scale observations. It is only general relativity which appears to be in some difficulties just now: possibly non-constant cosmological ‘constant’ in Einstein’s equations; apparent failure of the frame-dragging experiment; the puzzling behavior of the robots leaving the confines of the solar system, …
Actually it is the g minus 2 experiment (about 15 decimal places).
I had the distinct “privilege” of having my original Ph.D. g - 2 thesis in Art Rich’s group at The University of Michigan, beaten out by about 2 orders of magnitude by Hans Demelt’s group, and I had to abandon that thesis for another. Fortunately I had only got the 1 MeV electron accelerator finished (this was going to inject the electons into the magnetic trap where their spins were to precess relative to their cyclotron orbits). The superconducting magnet was being constructed by a Canadian company and it had lots of problems. I would have been tied up for many months just trying to repair it.
Hans Demelt got the Nobel Prize for his clever technique, which I could not have matched with my experiment.
One would think, after my experience with him and his measurement that I could at least get Hans Dehmelt’s name spelled correctly.
No creationist argument I’ve ever heard sounded like this:
“I was an evolutionary biologist and an atheist. I discovered a mountain of evidence that suggested that the earth was only 6,000 years old. Then I discovered a bunch of people who already knew that. Then I became a fundamentalist Christian.”
If science actually led to that conclusion, that’s what the public schools would be teaching.
Lastly, evolution IS a theory. But then again, so is gravity, and I don’t see fundamentalist Christians afraid that they’ll fly off the planet. They also don’t take their cars to be exorcised when they don’t run properly, and they don’t seem to have a problem trusting science to solve their medical mysteries or to furnish them with technology to make life easier. But evolution? That’s a problem…
Beckster02, you are correct.
The creationist stance (especially YEC, but generally any sect that requires anti-evolution commitment) contains many hypocrisies. However, if you believe the Wedge Strategy (Wikipedia has a fairly objective page on that), denying evolution is only the beginning of a quest to replace “materialistic” science with something more “spiritual”. Though how anyone is supposed to do “spiritual” science is beyond me - it’s hard enouigh to get scientists to agree with one another when there are hard empirical facts to refer to. If science were to become a matter of opinion, you’d never get anywhere.
Yes, Theobalds’ argument revolves around how you define precision and test. You can test phylogenetic trees as I understand it, either in likelihood tests or in later predictions (Tiktaalik.
Remains if a precision as remaining uncertainty is agreable for you. The context isn’t the standard interpretation. Personally, I like Theobalds description, not least as it was eye opening as well as provocative.
OK all you great evolutionary thinking minds out there answer me this. If we (anyone, anything and everything) have been constantly evolving over millions or billions of years or whatever, why do we die? Shouldn’t evolution have figured out how to conquer that one by now?
Organisms die because they have limited regenerative abilities with which to combat circumstances like disease, mechanical injury, starvation, and day-to-day wear and tear. If you actually studied Biology, you would have known this already.
And if you actually studied Biology, you would know that organisms circumvent “death” through reproduction, either sexual reproduction, or asexual/clonal reproduction.
If this explanation does not make sense, then, could you explain what sense is there to be had in the Bible’s explanation of “Death,” in that all life is to be punished with mortality forever and ever and ever until Judgment Day simply because Adam and Eve ate one apple?
If evolution can figure out things like making our each and every part of our bodies work like all of our senses,and those are amazing things that shouldn’t be taken for granted then why not death? Doesn’t death defeat evolution? Was I taught wrong that we came from amonia and gases to what we are today? If thats evolution then why is everything dying? If humans came so far from behind everything else why are we at the top of the food chain? Why dont turtles or monkeys think like we do? If the animals are smaller now and the deserts getting bigger is that evolution? Or is that death and the planet dying? How in the world could this planet and life on it lasted so long if we have limited regenerative abilities? No you do not circumvent death through reproduction. When “You” die “You” die. Your body will go back to the earth from which it came. Your children may live but what you see as your body now will be gone. There are different deaths in the bible,physical and spiritual. Unfortunately for probably you and most of the world your spiritually dead. Our God is so much greater than this universe we live in that we cannot understand everything. But I do know that Adam and Eve didn’t simply eat one apple. They disobeyed God. God cannot stand disobedience at all. God is sinless and so is where he is and thats why it makes no sense to you and the world what I say. But please answer my questions.
Why should it? If death stops, evolution stops.
It is difficult because they don’t make much sense but I’ll try one or two.
I’m not sure what you mean here. Death and replacement permit evolution.
We aren’t. Things like the malaria parasite and bed bugs feed on us.
Because they have turtle brains and monkey brains and we have human brains.
Are the animals smaller and the deserts larger (compared to when)? If a particular group of animals is getting smaller, it could be a result of evolution. Any change in the size of deserts is not a result of evolution.
What do you mean by ‘the planet dying’?
Regeneration and reproduction are usually not closely related.
The only time regeneration and reproduction are involved with each other is when an organism buds off a clone of itself, like when a planarian pulls itself into two, or when a kalanchoe produces a plantlet.
And that J does not appear to be physically capable of even looking up biology articles in Wikipedia, and that he can not answer why all life is being punished for two humans’ sin makes me think he is just a troll.
Evolution without death would be somewhat self destructive…
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