Expelled!: A spoiler

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From the ‘Expelled’ website we learn about the following ‘spoiler’ which is written in ‘white characters on a white background’.

*SPOILER!! Proceed and highlight text below only if you want to know more about the film’s specific content.

Many scenes are centered around the Berlin Wall, and Ben Stein being Jewish actually visits many death camps and death showers. In fact, Nazi Germany is the thread that ties everything in the movie together. Evolution leads to atheism leads to eugenics leads to Holocaust and Nazi Germany.

Says it all really… A refreshening honesty about the ignorance involved.

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“Evolution leads to atheism leads to eugenics leads to Holocaust and Nazi Germany.”

Nazi Germany has been a dead issue for over sixty years. So what’s their problem?

The “Expelled” people are going about this the wrong way, then. You can’t kill an idea, so why go after evolution?

No, clearly the answer is that we must get rid of Germany.

No more Germany = no more potential for a future Nazi Germany ever again. Problem solved!

PS, thanks for spoiling the fact that Ben Stein is Jewish! You ruined the whole surprise of the movie for me. :(

They forgot one.

Evolution leads to atheism leads to eugenics leads to Holocaust and Nazi Germany. Which then leads to many years later to where some idiots will string together in some stupid documentary that Darwin was Nazi.

On another note from previous diary, Dawkins mentions that helping the weak is unDarwin like , but is not the cooperative, social aspect of man that allowed to our rapid rise in evolutionary terms?

minimalist:

The “Expelled” people are going about this the wrong way, then. You can’t kill an idea, so why go after evolution?

No, clearly the answer is that we must get rid of Germany.

No more Germany = no more potential for a future Nazi Germany ever again. Problem solved!

No, the destruction of Germany won’t solve anything.

It should just be renamed “Nazi Planet Episode Land.”

John.williams aka hoj aka gota aka preen aka Jacob2 aka Jacob has continued to violate PT policy.

john.williams:

A leading international anti-religion crusader and supporter of Darwinian theory, Dr. Richard Dawkins, has said that the pseudo-science of eugenics that drove the Nazi regime’s genocidal project “may not be bad.”

(lifesite news)

Do you have the actual quotes handy, and are you aware that there is more to Eugenics that merely neutering society’s undesirables, such as monitoring families that have recessive genetic diseases, like what the Jewish organization, Dor Yeshorim, does?

Did Ben Stein’s parents spend time in concentration camps?

If you actually took the time to read about Ben Stein, you would have known that Ben Stein’s father, Herbert Stein, was an economist from Detroit who served as an economic adviser to Presidents Nixon and Ford.

Dawkins sure looks like a Nazi. Now his familiy is very elite and aristocratic. And he was born in a country where they treat blacks very badly. A white man’s burden type of place. And Kenya where he was born was a German protectorate.

And if you actually had enough brain cells to read even Wikipedia’s entry on Kenya, you would have realized that the British seized Kenya from Germany in 1918, twenty-three years before Dawkins was born.

Furthermore, please explain why trying to appeal to physical appearances and appealing to stereotypes based on origins and physical appearances are valid arguments, unless, of course, you are also trying to imply that all of the Caucasian politicians from the Southern United States are also Nazi sympathizers.

“It is an article of passionate faith among “politically correct” biologists and anthropologists that brain size has no connection with intelligence; that intelligence has nothing to do with genes; and that genes are probably nasty fascist things anyway.”

R. Dawkins

Hmmm.…

So then please explain why you think that this out of context quote is supposed to be Dawkins confessing to be a fascist sympathizer.

Chemistry leads to synthesis leads to hydrogen cyanide leads to Holocaust and Nazi Germany.

ZOMG CHEMISTRY IS INHERENTLY EVIL.

PvM:

John.williams aka hoj aka gota aka preen aka Jacob2 aka Jacob has continued to violate PT policy.

Then do we want to delete my post dissecting jacob/john’s bullshitting, too?

That would make it so much easier to teach Intelligent Design Creationism in schools.

I’m sorry if I’m dense, but is this a joke ‘white characters on a white background’? or does the paragraph actually exist albeit invisibly on the website?

I believe this to be appropriate, from someone who knew what he was talking about:

“It is said that science will dehumanize people and turn them into numbers. That is false, tragically false. Look for yourself. This is the concentration camp and crematorium at Auschwitz, this is where people were turned into numbers. Into this pond were flushed the ashes of four million people. And that was not done by gas. It was done by arrogance. It was done by dogma. It was done by ignorance. When people believe that they have absolute knowledge, with no test in reality, this is how they behave. This is what men do when they aspire to the knowledge of gods.

Science is a very human form of knowledge. We are always at the brink of the known, we always feel forward for what is to be hoped. Every judgment in science stands on the edge of error, and is personal. Science is a tribute to what we can know although we are fallible. In the end the words were said by Oliver Cromwell: “I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, think it possible you may be mistaken.”

I owe it as a scientist to my friend Leo Szilard, I owe it as a human being to the many members of my family who died at Auschwitz, to stand here by the pond as a survivor and a witness. We have to cure ourselves of the itch for absolute knowledge and power. We have to close the distance between the push-button order and the human act. We have to touch people.”

- Jacob Bronowski, The Ascent of Man, (passage spoken at Auschwitz)

See this clip: Jacob Bronowski - The Ascent of Man

Here, I compared intelligent design apologists to anti-Israeli activists:

http://ucsdguardian.org/index.php?o[…]&id=7891

The radicals start with equivocation and close by asking for equality, which they see as a method to eventually dominate their opponents. Intelligent-design advocates, like their creationist predecessors, have made their central objective the inclusion of “equal time” to “teach the controversy” in public schools, which they know is the best route toward eventually supplanting Darwinian evolution. Palestinian apologists campaign principally for the “right of return,” which they and their counterparts in Israel know is merely a way for the larger Palestinian population to eclipse the Jewish population and thus establish one de facto Palestinian state.

I must be a “Nazi in denial!”

http://www.sundayherald.com/life/pe[…]t_be_bad.php

I wonder whether, some 60 years after Hitler’s death, we might at least venture to ask what the moral difference is between breeding for musical ability and forcing a child to take music lessons. Or why it is acceptable to train fast runners and high jumpers but not to breed them. I can think of some answers, and they are good ones, which would probably end up persuading me. But hasn’t the time come when we should stop being frightened even to put the question?

Note Dawkins dod not say eugenics may not be bad, that was the web publisher.

Where on the expelled site does the ‘Spoiler’ quote appear?

No, the destruction of Germany won’t solve anything.

At least it would have been impossible to show EXPELLED in the Washington DC Goethe Institut that is actually financed with the taxes I pay in Germany. http://sparc-molecularblog.blogspot[…]gezeigt.html

Eugenics predates Darwin by thousands of years.

…or go tell it to the Spartans, to coin a phrase :-) Or do they not count as “Eugenicists” for some reason.

Steve

So now we know John. You are worried that your faith is the only thing that stops you from becoming a genocidal maniac.

Very good point. He reveals himself to be naturally immoral, by his admission that without his belief in god he would be a nazi.

Perhaps one difference between atheists and the religious is that atheists don’t need to be told that nazism is evil.

Quidam:

I’m sorry if I’m dense, but is this a joke ‘white characters on a white background’? or does the paragraph actually exist albeit invisibly on the website?

White characters on a white background are readable if you highlight them, and they show up on search engines. It’s a way of “hiding in plain sight” sort of. If you know the physical location on the web page, and/or if you’re lucky enough to see your cursor change when it’s on a white are of the page, you can double or triple click and read what’s there.

I suppose jakie will complain that his “substantive” arguments against “Darwinism” are being flushed yet again because we have no answers for them.

He really is a special little boy, isn’t he. PvM is right to flush the little turd at every opportunity.

As far as I can see, there is only One Stein of great importance coming from Germany: Einstein.

Our troll John Williams is not only scientifically ignorant, but historically ignorant as well.

Centuries of vitriolic Christian anti-Semitism are never mentioned by him.

Jews were not exterminated for eugenic reasons, they were exterminated in an attempt to completely erase all traces of the Jewish people and their culture. The Nazis cynically used the trappings and symbols of Christianity and some of the older Nordic pagan religions.

The Nazis effectively fed and fanned the flames of hatred that were already burning in Christian Europe. Ever heard of the Russian Pogroms, John? How about the horrors of the Inquisition promulgated by the Church? Christians burning witches? Never heard of that either? How about the murderous Christian fanatics that slaughtered countless innocents just because of their differences in dogma during the Thirty-Years War? How about the Crusades, John? Explain to us how Darwin caused them.

I know they are readable, I hadn’t seen the quote on the site and I’d rather not have to wade through the site to find it. I’m not mistrustful, but I do like to see the evidence.

For anyone else in the same situation - here is the link:

http://www.expelledthemovie.com/chr[…]p?article=11

We might also say this:

Ernest Rutherford->Discovery of nuclear physics->Manhattan Project->Bombing of Hiroshima & Nagasaki

We must therefore ban all teachings of Rutherford from the schools immediately!!!!

John.William/Jacob or whatever your name is - would you like to comment please?

Quidam,

The text is right below the last visible line, in small print white-on-white.

Many scenes are centered around the Berlin Wall, and Ben Stein being Jewish actually visits many death camps and death showers. In fact, Nazi Germany is the thread that ties everything in the movie together. Evolution leads to atheism leads to eugenics leads to Holocaust and Nazi Germany.

One more thing, John, every German Wehrmacht (Army) uniform had a belt buckle that was inscribed: “Gott mit Uns”. Look it up.

john.williams:

—-he could play a nazi in any WW2 movie. he is perfect

Okay I think we’ve heard just about enough of this kind of crap. This is a website for discussing science, not blatantly calling respected people nazis.

To call Richard Dawkins a nazi is absolutely positively the most digusting and vile thing you can do to the Jewish people. Your calling him a nazi completely plays down the depravity of the monstrosity of a human being that was Hitler and his close followers. My people didn’t suffer at the hands of horrible horrible people like him so that you and your ilk could turn it into some pig-headed argument 60 years down the road that makes no sense.

It’s disgusting, pathetic and you really honestly need to talk with your God right this minute.

Re. Spoiler:

Its at the very bottom of the page. I find the section readily visible if too small to be easily readable (being color-blind my vision is keyed to intensity levels rather than colors)

More lies from Mathis and company:

EXPELLED Controversy Top Issue in Blogosphere

“It is amazing to see the reaction of PZ Myers, Richard Dawkins and their cohorts when one of them is simply expelled from a movie. Yet these men applaud when professors throughout the nation are fired from their jobs and permanently excluded from their profession for mentioning Intelligent Design,” said producer Mark Mathis

http://www.businesswire.com/portal/[…];newsLang=en

waldteufel:

One more thing, John, every German Wehrmacht (Army) uniform had a belt buckle that was inscribed: “Gott mit Uns”. Look it up.

He shouldn’t need to look it up. It’s his own personal motto.

It’s the reason he can justify Lying For Jesus™!

Wow. Looking up “Gott mit Uns” and found this: http://nobeliefs.com/Hitler1.htm Some interesting pictures of Nazi Christians.

Says it all, really.

Evolution Not Responsible for Hitler

PvM: Edited to make link work

Re Ofro:

There are three famous people named Stein There’s Gert, and there,s Ep- , and there’s Ein- Gert’s poetry’s bunk Ep’s sculpture is junk And nobody understands Ein-

(old limerick)

Jason Failes Wrote:

Does evolution debunk Christianity, Judaism, and Islam? Yes. Does evolution contradict the general notion of a God? No.

I accept “the general notion of a God” (a la Einstein and possibly Darwin at the time of “breathed by the Creator) and do not belong to those or other organized religions. But I have heard quite a few members of the first 2 religions who are adamant that evolution does not debunk their religion, only the most “literalist” versions.

Jason Failes Wrote:

That’s one of the funniest things about ID: they try really hard to make it look like they have nothing to do with past cdesign proponentists, but then they go straight to attacking evolution, a stance that only makes sense if they are operating under the same basic Judeo-Christian-(Muslim) assumptions about God as the creationists.

Technically, “cdesign proponentists” came after the decision to avoid saying what the Creator/designer did and when. What the IDers seek to distance themselves from (and they don’t seem to be trying as hard anymore) is the classic YEC and OEC that actually make testable hypotheses about biological history.

Although IDers and their “cdesign proponentists” predecessors want the audience to infer the same God (in the gaps of course) as the classic creationists, they know that the “science” of YEC and OEC has completely failed, and to add insult to injury, has irreconcilable differences that if exposed, could turn people off to YEC, OEC and ID. So they just salvaged the long-refuted misrepresentations of evolution, and hope that the audience replaces their unreasonable doubt of evolution with YEC, OEC, or even “virtual evolution,” as long as they join the chorus against mainstream science.

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