Expelled Exposed: The Untold Sequel - Nancey Murphy

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Do you think Expelled will discuss the story of Nancey Murphy as told at the Washington Post?

Let’s look in more detail at Expelled Exposed

Nancey Murphy, a religious scholar at Fuller Theological Seminary in Pasadena, Calif., said she faced a campaign to get her fired because she expressed the view that intelligent design was not only poor theology, but “so stupid, I don’t want to give them my time.”

Murphy, who believes in evolution, said she had to fight to keep her job after one of the founding members of the intelligent design movement, legal theorist Phillip Johnson, called a trustee at the seminary and tried to get her fired.

“His tactic has always been to fight dirty when anyone attacks his ideas,” she said. “For a long time afterward, I would tell reporters I don’t want to comment, and I don’t want you to say I don’t want to comment. I’m tired of being careful.”

Johnson denied he had tried to get Murphy fired. He said that he had spoken with a former trustee of the seminary who was himself upset with Murphy but that he was not responsible for any action taken against her. “It’s the Darwinists who hold the power in academia and who threaten the professional status and livelihoods of anyone who disagrees,” Johnson said. “They feel to teach anything but their orthodoxy is an act of professional treason.”

What could have been Murphy’s ‘crime’? She published a scathing review of Johnson’s “Darwin on Trial” titled Phillip Johnson on Trial: A Critique of His Critique of Darwin in Perspectives on Science & Christian Faith, 1993, vol 45, no 1 pp 26-36.

Nancey Murphy Wrote:

Phillip Johnson’s recent book, Darwin on Trial, claims to show that the reasoning presented in favor of evolutionary biology is defective. Such a book, being one of so many, would excite little attention were it not for the fact that the author is an expert in legal reasoning, and has contributed his particular skills to the debate. However, the canons of scientific argument are quite different from those of the courtroom, and it can be shown that Johnson’s critique of Darwinian thought falls far short of the mark in that it does not fully appreciate the special requirements of scientific argumentation.

The Washington Post also describes the story of Caroline Crocker

GMU spokesman Daniel Walsch denied that the school had fired Crocker. She was a part-time faculty member, he said, and was let go at the end of her contract period for reasons unrelated to her views on intelligent design. “We wholeheartedly support academic freedom,” he said. But teachers also have a responsibility to stick to subjects they were hired to teach, he added, and intelligent design belonged in a religion class, not biology. Does academic freedom “literally give you the right to talk about anything, whether it has anything to do with the subject matter or not? The answer is no.”

Screenshots of Coral Ridge video Caroline Crocker’s powerpoint slides were recently made available and paint a picture of poor scientific arguments. Other examples of her claims can be seen at Coral Ridge which was strongl criticized by PZ Myers

Caroline Crocker is presently employed as the “Executive Director of the Intelligent Design and Evolution Awareness (IDEA) Center, as well as being self-employed in the Washington DC area as an author, speaker, and private tutor.”

Read more about Caroline Crocker.

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Also Richard Colling from Threads from Henry's Web on March 31, 2008 6:32 AM

PZ Myers (yes, he who was expelled from Expelled!), has posted a couple of interesting cases on The Panda’s Thumb, and I want to make sure one name is also known: Dr. Richard Colling. I wrote about his situation in a number of posts, and also ... Read More

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One minor correction – Crocker’s slides weren’t made avaiable per se, the images over at TinyFrog are stills from the “Coral Ridge Hour” show you mention. So, ironically, she must have supplied them to the show as examples of how innocuous her materials were and how good a teacher she was.

Obviously she flunked on both counts.

The main links in the post uses nonstandard linking (they don’t lead to the full post but the Expelled Expose website), which is a time waster.

Otherwise, this was timely info. Keep at’em!

PZ, ‘tis an excellent post. I’ve quoted it in brief reminders elsewhere, especially over at Amazon.com, merely to demonstrate yet another example of the Disco Tute’s Fascist behavior.

Crocker is astonishingly incompetent.

Her slide Presumed Transitional Fossils are just creo lies strung together.

My comments in bold.

Birds in same layer.

This is a lie. What are in the same layer are Pterodactyls and dinosaurs.

Is a bird, not a reptobird.

Another lie. Archaeaopteryx has a toothed jaw, no beak, claws on its wings, and a long dinosaurian tail and skeleton.

only one complete fossil

Lie. There are 10 fossils collected over a 150 year period.

Questioned as a fraud.

Hoyle made some allegations. They were investigated and proved false.

All this is on wikipedia which she apparently never heard of. If she had presented this as a freshman in biology, she would have gotten an F.

Her other slides are equally lame, just channeling AIG class lies and not worth the time to parse.

She got off lucky, she should have been fired but merely failed to get her contract renewed.

Nancey Murphy, a religious scholar at Fuller Theological Seminary in Pasadena, Calif., said she faced a campaign to get her fired because she expressed the view that intelligent design was not only poor theology, but “so stupid, I don’t want to give them my time.”

Murphy, who believes in evolution, said she had to fight to keep her job after one of the founding members of the intelligent design movement, legal theorist Phillip Johnson, called a trustee at the seminary and tried to get her fired.

Biochemist Terry M. Gray was tried and convicted of heresy in the mid 90’s by the Orthodox Presbyterian Church for daring to suggest that humans have animal ancestors in a review… wait for it… of Phillip Johnson’s book Darwin on Trial (1991).

Here is Gray’s link page to that case.

I’ve discovered that this list really bothers creos. Truth to them is like a cross to a vampire.

People have seen this before and might be getting tired of it. I’m going to send it to the NSCE website and see if they will host it. Alternatively, have it hosted as a guest on a blog or website so people can link to it. And if anyone wants to steal it, it is free, took a whole hour of search engine time and is all documentable. The creos are way ahead on body counts, literally and figuratively and this is a critical point. One guy is dead already.

Posting the list of who is really being beaten up, threatened, fired, attempted to be fired, and killed. Not surprisingly, it is scientists and science supporters by Death Cultists.

There is a serious reign of terror by Xian fundie terrorists directed against the reality based academic community, specifically acceptors of evolution. I’m keeping a running informal tally, listed below. They include death threats, firings, attempted firings, assaults, and general persecution directed against at least 10 people. The Expelled Liars have totally ignored the ugly truth of just who is persecuting who.

If anyone has more info add it. Also feel free to borrow or steal the list.

I thought I’d post all the firings of professors and state officials for teaching or accepting evolution.

2 professors fired, Bitterman (SW CC Iowa) and Bolyanatz (Wheaton)

1 persecuted unmercifully Richard Colling (Olivet)

1 attempted firing Murphy (Fuller Theological by Phillip Johnson IDist)

1 successful death threats, assaults harrasment Gwen Pearson (UT Permian)

1 state official fired Chris Comer (Texas)

1 assault, fired from dept. Chair Paul Mirecki (U. of Kansas)

1 killed, Rudi Boa, Biomedical Student (Scotland)

Death Threats Eric Pianka UT Austin and the Texas Academy of Science engineered by a hostile, bizarre IDist named Bill Dembski

Death Threats Michael Korn, fugitive from justice, towards the UC Boulder biology department and miscellaneous evolutionary biologists.

Up to 10 with little effort. Probably there are more. I turned up a new one with a simple internet search. Haven’t even gotten to the secondary science school teachers.

And the Liars of Expelled have the nerve to scream persecution. On body counts the creos are way ahead.

Never heard of the OPC. It is a small fundie splinter group, 28,000 members. The main Presbyterian group has no problem with evolution.

A heresy trial in the 20th century! It would be funny if it wasn’t so Dark Ages malevolent.

wikipedia OPC:

The Orthodox Presbyterian Church (OPC) is a small conservative Presbyterian denomination located primarily in the United States. It was founded by conservative members of the Presbyterian Church in the United States of America (PCUSA) who strongly objected to the pervasive Modernist theology during the 1930s (see Fundamentalist-Modernist Controversy). Led by J. Gresham Machen, who had helped found Westminster Theological Seminary, the church attempted to preserve historic Calvinism within a Presbyterian structure. The name signifies its professed adherence to orthodox Christian teachings; it is not related to any branch of Eastern Christianity.

The main group, PCUS, with 2.3 million members supported evolution in 1969.

Evolution Statement In light of recent developments regarding the teaching of the Theory of Evolution in public schools, the Office of Theology and Worship offers the following, the Presbyterian Church U.S. 1969 GA-approved theological statement on the subject.

EVOLUTION AND THE BIBLE Primary Reference: GA Minutes 1969: 59-62 Denomination: PCUS

Conclusion from the Study

Neither Scripture, our Confession of Faith, nor our Catechisms, teach the Creation of man by the direct and immediate acts of God so as to exclude the possibility of evolution as a scientific theory.

raven:

The main group, PCUS, with 2.3 million members supported evolution in 1969.

Evolution Statement In light of recent developments regarding the teaching of the Theory of Evolution in public schools, the Office of Theology and Worship offers the following, the Presbyterian Church U.S. 1969 GA-approved theological statement on the subject.

EVOLUTION AND THE BIBLE Primary Reference: GA Minutes 1969: 59-62 Denomination: PCUS

Conclusion from the Study

Neither Scripture, our Confession of Faith, nor our Catechisms, teach the Creation of man by the direct and immediate acts of God so as to exclude the possibility of evolution as a scientific theory.

Minor update – currently, the main body of the Presbyterian Church is the Presbyterian Church (USA), which resulted from the merger of two Presbyterian denominations, PCUS and UPCUSA. The PC(USA) has affirmed the PCUS position above.

Murphy, who believes in evolution, said she had to fight to keep her job after one of the founding members of the intelligent design movement, legal theorist Phillip Johnson, called a trustee at the seminary and tried to get her fired.

having seen Johnson pop in here on rare occasions, I wonder if he will deign to defend himself on this?

…and I always thought Phil was such a nice guy.

I’m going to send it to the NSCE website

excellent; I’m quite sure there are many more data points to add, especially if you start considering the number of high school teachers that simply bypassed teaching evolution for fear of angry parents.

In fact, I’d bet that it would be a nice part of the NSCE’s efforts on the expelled/exposed website they are putting together.

yeah, I did that intentionally.

more links the better.

Wow. This is my former school, and I took a class from Murphy. Having taken a number of classes there, I’m just shocked that any of the administration or facutly would have an issue with evolution. I would never have suspected it. From some students, yes- but not from administration and faculty. The general impression given in classes (though the topic rarely comes up, of course) is quite the opposite.

I don’t get why the author of the Washington Post article was using the term “Darwinism”. Is he a closet ID supporter?

I found another similar example in Howard Van Till. See: More irony from the ID creationist crowd

Jedidiah Palosaari Wrote:

I don’t get why the author of the Washington Post article was using the term “Darwinism”. Is he a closet ID supporter?

Unfortunately, masochistic pro-science people use the term “Darwinism” all the time. I don’t know if the WP author is typical of the clueless media types that unwittingly help anti-evolution activists because their job demands sensationalism, which is “naturally” friendly to pseudoscience. But those who understand evolution, yet insist on using the term as a synonym for “Darwinian evolution” IMO have no excuse. They know that scam artists use “Darwinism” deliberately so that unsuspecting audiences will conflate the scientific explanation with a philosophy that Darwin would surely reject. Just think how much harder their job would be if they either (1) avoided the term because no pro-science people used it, or (2) used it and critics replied with “There they go with that ‘Darwinism’ caricature again.”

…having seen Johnson pop in here on rare occasions, I wonder if he will deign to defend himself on this?

Phillip Johnson doesn’t need to. PZ Myers has already proved Johnson 100% correct. Take a look:

“It’s the Darwinists who hold the power in academia and who threaten the professional status and livelihoods of anyone who disagrees,” Johnson said. “They feel to teach anything but their orthodoxy is an act of professional treason.”

(PZ sez) “Our only problem is that we aren’t martial enough, or vigorous enough, or loud enough, or angry enough. The only appropriate responses should involve some form of righteous fury, much butt-kicking, and the public firing and humiliation of some teachers, many schoolboard members, and vast numbers of sleazy far-right politicians.”

Case closed, baby!!!

FL

your quotemining is even more disconnected and disingenuous than usual, FL.

kudos.

In fact, let’s take things a bit further (Because PZ does.). You ask about Johnson coming here to “defend” himself. But you need to ask about, ahem, somebody else doing so WAY before you even begin to ask about Johnson.

I say, screw the polite words and careful rhetoric. It’s time for scientists to break out the steel-toed boots and brass knuckles, and get out there and hammer on the lunatics and idiots.

These are not Johnson’s words, if you’ve ever read any of his books. So whose words are they.…? Oh, but you already know, don’t you? We all do.

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So here’s a scientist, Mike Gene, who offered the following response to that stuff. You might like it.

Ouch. One can only imagine all the real victims of steel-toed boots, brass knuckles, and hammers, who read this call for action and had to relive their violent past.

In our Global Village, those of us who strive to promote Enlightenment and Civilized values stress Peace, Tolerance, and Fairness. Certainly there is plenty of room at humanity’s table for all sorts of viewpoints.

I’m worried that Dr. Myers is unintentionally betraying our efforts to promote these values with his reliance on metaphors of violence.

When metaphors of violence are used, they only encourage a like response and the cycle of violent language continues, adding to our Culture of Violence.

I would plead with Dr. Myers to consider the more enlightened approach of using non-violent metaphors.

Meanwhile, we see the real deal. Johnson’s statement is correct.

FL:

…having seen Johnson pop in here on rare occasions, I wonder if he will deign to defend himself on this?

Phillip Johnson doesn’t need to. PZ Myers has already proved Johnson 100% correct. Take a look:

“It’s the Darwinists who hold the power in academia and who threaten the professional status and livelihoods of anyone who disagrees,” Johnson said. “They feel to teach anything but their orthodoxy is an act of professional treason.”

(PZ sez) “Our only problem is that we aren’t martial enough, or vigorous enough, or loud enough, or angry enough. The only appropriate responses should involve some form of righteous fury, much butt-kicking, and the public firing and humiliation of some teachers, many schoolboard members, and vast numbers of sleazy far-right politicians.”

Case closed, baby!!!

FL

Johnson claims that “Darwinists” are ruthless oppressors; PZ contradicts this (by saying that real scientists ought to be more energetic in their efforts to get bad science out of the classroom). Case closed? In what way?

FL ignores conveniently the context in which PZ made these statements. He believes that as scientists we should not hold back when we are confronted with scientific ignorance such as Intelligent Design. This has nothing to do with the livelihoods of scientists, but all with good science.

Mike Gene is a scientist too, don’t forget.

You disagree with his statement?

Rudi Boa was stabbed with a knife during an argument with a creo. Unfortunately, it was a real knife not a rhetorical one. He was killed.

Evolution vs creation row ends in stabbing By Adam Bennett | December 14, 2007

A FRUIT-picking trip to southern New South Wales ended in the death of a Scottish backpacker who became embroiled in a bizarre row about creationism and evolution.

English backpacker Alexander Christian York, 33, was today sentenced to a maximum of five years jail for the manslaughter of Scotsman Rudi Boa in January last year.

Mr Boa, 28, died on January 27 after being stabbed by York at the Blowering Holiday Park, near Tumut. continues

FL:

In fact, let’s take things a bit further (Because PZ does.). You ask about Johnson coming here to “defend” himself. But you need to ask about, ahem, somebody else doing so WAY before you even begin to ask about Johnson.

I say, screw the polite words and careful rhetoric. It’s time for scientists to break out the steel-toed boots and brass knuckles, and get out there and hammer on the lunatics and idiots.

These are not Johnson’s words, if you’ve ever read any of his books. So whose words are they.…? Oh, but you already know, don’t you? We all do.

**********

So here’s a scientist, Mike Gene, who offered the following response to that stuff. You might like it.

Ouch. One can only imagine all the real victims of steel-toed boots, brass knuckles, and hammers, who read this call for action and had to relive their violent past.

In our Global Village, those of us who strive to promote Enlightenment and Civilized values stress Peace, Tolerance, and Fairness. Certainly there is plenty of room at humanity’s table for all sorts of viewpoints.

I’m worried that Dr. Myers is unintentionally betraying our efforts to promote these values with his reliance on metaphors of violence.

When metaphors of violence are used, they only encourage a like response and the cycle of violent language continues, adding to our Culture of Violence.

I would plead with Dr. Myers to consider the more enlightened approach of using non-violent metaphors.

Meanwhile, we see the real deal. Johnson’s statement is correct.

Hey FL. Jesus called and he said he wants his cross back.

FL -

“Our only problem is that we aren’t martial enough, or vigorous enough, or loud enough, or angry enough. The only appropriate responses should involve some form of righteous fury, much butt-kicking, and the public firing and humiliation of some teachers, many schoolboard members, and vast numbers of sleazy far-right politicians.”

I say, screw the polite words and careful rhetoric. It’s time for scientists to break out the steel-toed boots and brass knuckles, and get out there and hammer on the lunatics and idiots.

You present these statements as “evidence” that “Darwinists” have all the power. It’s obviously the opposite. These are statements of frustration.

Furthermore, I can easily prove that the the statements by PZ Meyers which you quote, with which I agree very strongly despite disagreeing with some of his “anti-religion” diatribes, are rhetorical. It’s easy. Neither PZ Meyers nor anyone else is actually, physically kicking the butt of anyone, with hob-nailed boots or anything else.

If I thought that PZ was advocating physical violence, bwahahahah, I would oppose these statements. But I very strongly support them, because I think he is advocating vigorous public defense of legitimate science and civil rights.

There is no legal limit on what politicians can “believe”, but I certainly very strongly encourage people to vote against science-denying politicians.

I certainly support your right to live, believe, and worship as you see fit, but I also, to repeat myself, strongly agree with firing and/or suing those who would introduce “intelligent design” into a taxpayer-funded classroom. It’s really very simple. I support your right to live, believe, and worship as you see fit, but also my own right to do those things. I won’t preach my religion at your kids on your tax dollar, and you won’t do that to me, either. Otherwise we have a major problem.

Mike Gene thinks that ID is not science and that it should not be taught in classrooms. Your point, FL?

On another issue, we previously saw that a certain Mr. Paul Mirecki turned out to be The Totally Wrong Poster Boy for Raven’s current parano—-ummm, current position regarding Raven’s allegation of a “serious reign of terror by Xian fundie terrorists.”

“I want to be clear that I personally find Professor Mirecki’s e-mail comments repugnant and vile. They do not represent my views nor the views of this university. People of all faiths are valued at KU, and campus ministries are an important part of life at the university. “Dr. Mirecki has made the right decision by his withdrawal from the course. He has a right to free speech but he has to realize the revelation of his past e-mails has tainted the environment for his course. He insulted both our students and the university’s public, and he misrepresented beliefs of KU’s faculty and staff.”

—Dr. Robert Hemenway, Chancellor of the University of Kansas

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But we never did say anything about the late Mr. Rudi Boa being yet another example of Wrong Poster Boyhood.

So, read this:

The incident occurred after the pair and Mr Boa’s girlfriend Gillian Brown had spent the night drinking at the Star Hotel in Tumut, and an argument broke out between Mr Boa and York about creationism and evolution.

When Mr York and the couple returned to the caravan park separately later that night, a scuffle broke out between the two men.

Mr York, who was making dinner at the time, had a knife in his hand and stabbed Mr Boa in the chest during the brief altercation.

– theage.com.au

So, rather than a being a pure innocent evolutionist martyr vicitimized by the evil Xian terrorist boogyman, it turns out that evolutionist Mr. Boa did a bunch of drinking with his drinking buddy, and they got into an argument, and the argument got out of hand, which is what sometimes happens when people spend too much time drinking.

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With both the Rudi Boas and Paul Mirecki cases, one has to ask why Raven continues to leave out certain important details that clearly contradict the “serious reign of terror by Xian fundie terrorists” accusation.

But I do agree with him on one point.

People have seen this before and might be getting tired of it.

FL :)

So, rather than a being a pure innocent evolutionist martyr vicitimized by the evil Xian terrorist boogyman, it turns out that evolutionist Mr. Boa did a bunch of drinking with his drinking buddy, and they got into an argument, and the argument got out of hand, which is what sometimes happens when people spend too much time drinking.

FL :)

HELL YEA FL!

DRINKING TOTALLY JUSTIFIES STABBING SOMEONE TO DEATH! WOO!

This isn’t even about science right now. You’re completely ignorant of the human condition and you are a sociopath. Please, seriously, seek some help. It is incredibly unhealthy to think the way you do and I pray to you in the name of the Lord if you can rationally degrade human life like this, please seek help.

FL takes everything said by PZ Myers literally because that is how he reads the Bible. Both approaches are equally stupid.

wad of id:

Mike Gene thinks that ID is not science and that it should not be taught in classrooms. Your point, FL?

FL’s point is that we should go ahead and teach Intelligent Design “theory” as science, anyhow, as “GODDESIGNERDIDIT” is much easier for the poor little students to absorb into their heads than boring old science or biology textbooks. That, and Intelligent Design “theory” is allegedly science, even though no Intelligent Design proponents, not at the Discovery Institute, and especially not FL, himself, have any motivation to demonstrate that it’s science in the first place.

FL:

FL = Fafarman, Larry?

Clever indeed! But nope. There’s only one FL, and it’s me dude!!

Side note for Raven: go ahead and send that laundry list of doomed darwinists to NCSE. But do NOT be surpris’d if they put some good hearty editing on it before they let that thing be associated with their good (heh-heh) name!!

FL

And that is what FL is reduced to after being totally whipped by the rest of us here. I guess that means we need never take him seriously ever again! Victims of persecution are victims of persecution, and one’s personal views of their habits or attitudes are irrelevant. Only FL’s bigotry makes him think otherwise.

Oh, FL, how soon could you start working for GEICO’s advertising department?

Raven,

Here’s the information on the Turkish intellectual who was assassinated for a number of reasons, including his acceptance of evolution:

“NCSE Reports, Vol 19, No. 6, Nov/Dec 1999, has three separate articles on Islamic creationism, mostly Turkish. The article that specifically mentions the murdered intellectual who opposed the creationists (I think he was a scientist, but I’m not sure. His name was Ahmet Taner Kisali.) is “Fundamentalist Bedfellows: Political Creationism in Turkey,” by Arthur M. Shapiro, pp. 15-17. The NCSE article is a reprint from “The New Leader,” Mar/Apr 2000, 83(1): 13-18. And yes, those dates are correct. NCSE’s publication schedule is so far behind schedule, that their 1999 Report was indeed published after The New Leader’s 2000 issue.”

Am quoting from another NCSE member who had sent me this information. Incidentally, Kisali’s name is more commonly listed as Kislali.

Hope this helps.

Regards,

John

I’ve been speaking with my old professor, Nancey Murphy, over at Fuller, on email, and she’s confirmed my suspicions. The Washington Post article was not entirely precise. To whit:

That I came close to being fired is an exaggeration. Philip Johnson phoned a powerful trustee and complained about me. The trustees discussed my “case” and there was so much support from the administration that the issue dropped there. So it’s not Fuller, but rather the ID people who wanted me out.

Later she stated

Fuller has always been very supportive, even though the events caused them to lose major donations! I will be instituting a new course in the fall that deals more directly with science and theology issues.

So, as I suspected, this was not something the Fuller faculty, administration, or trustees were behind. Fuller’s just not the kind of institution to have such a narrow view as supporting Intelligent Design, to the extent that the courses cover anything scientific. But I am excited to hear that there will be shortly a course at Fuller that will be more directly looking at theology as it pertains to science, and presumably, considering the instructor, evolution.

(Sorry- I should mention that I had Dr. Murphy’s permission to share the previous information.)

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