Expelled!

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There is a rich, deep kind of irony that must be shared. I'm blogging this from the Apple store in the Mall of America, because I'm too amused to want to wait until I get back to my hotel room.

I went to attend a screening of the creationist propaganda movie, Expelled, a few minutes ago. Well, I tried … but I was Expelled! It was kind of weird — I was standing in line, hadn't even gotten to the point where I had to sign in and show ID, and a policeman pulled me out of line and told me I could not go in. I asked why, of course, and he said that a producer of the film had specifically instructed him that I was not to be allowed to attend. The officer also told me that if I tried to go in, I would be arrested. I assured him that I wasn't going to cause any trouble.

I went back to my family and talked with them for a while, and then the officer came back with a theater manager, and I was told that not only wasn't I allowed in, but I had to leave the premises immediately. Like right that instant.

I complied.

I'm still laughing though. You don't know how hilarious this is. Not only is it the extreme hypocrisy of being expelled from their Expelled movie, but there's another layer of amusement. Deep, belly laugh funny. Yeah, I'd be rolling around on the floor right now, if I weren't so dang dignified.

You see … well, have you ever heard of a sabot? It's a kind of sleeve or lightweight carrier used to surround a piece of munition fired from a gun. It isn't the actually load intended to strike the target, but may even be discarded as it leaves the barrel.

I'm a kind of sabot right now.

They singled me out and evicted me, but they didn't notice my guest. They let him go in escorted by my wife and daughter. I guess they didn't recognize him. My guest was …

Richard Dawkins.

He's in the theater right now, watching their movie.

Tell me, are you laughing as hard as I am?

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Yes.

Sir, I think that you may owe me for the cost of drycleaning my jocks (read shorts for you northern cousins) and pants.

Here I was, calmly browsing on Firefox, read your post and laughed so hard that I think I wet myself. Put differently, bodily fluids may have involuntarily expelled from my body.

Thank goodness I wasn’t eating, or else you would also be up for the cost of cleaning my keyboard and monitor.

Cheers

Just unreal. I’m in Austin and saw RD Wednesday night at his lecture here. He castigated Expelled in no uncertain terms for its sleazy dishonesty, but now that’s he’s actually seen it, I can’t wait to hear his review of what it’s really like.

(PS Shameless plug, but a detailed 2-part report on the Austin appearance is at the Atheist Experience blog, for those interested.)

Someone needs to go to the theater and give “Jared” an award for scoring an own goal.

Oh please some creationist read this. Page the producers that Dawkins is in the theatre right now watching it. Have them halt the movie, and go down aisle by aisle with flashlights until they find and expel him.

Sorry to say, PZ let a big chance slip away. Chance favors the prepared mind. You won’t be buying PZ posters or action figures anytime soon. Oh well, there is always next time.

crosspost PZ blog:

You should have thought ahead. Get someone with a video camera to record you being evicted. Then on to YouTube.

Geesh, PZ, you missed your chance to be a movie star. I’m sure some of the frames would look good on T shirts, mouse pads, and coffee mugs. Think of the tie ins. PZ action figures, lunch boxes, and Holiday cards.

Academics are so clueless. I bet you don’t even have an agent.

Posted by: raven | March 20, 2008 9:39 PM

I found an interesting comment by Jeffrey Overstreet on a website ‘Looking Closer’. Apparently, PZ Myers misbehaved tremendously in the line…

    “But enough about the film – the real highlight of the evening occurred after the showing, during the Q&A. Mathis led this discussion, and the second question was asked by a surprise member of the audience: Richard Dawkins, author of “The God Delusion,” and arguably the biggest name in the movie other than Mr. Ben Stein himself. As this screening was by invitation only, Dawkins appearance was quite a surprise to both the audience and Mathis.

    Dawkins asked a simple question: Why was one of his colleagues interviewed in the movie denied a chance to come see this movie and protest it and in fact was escorted out by security prior to admittance to the theatre? The irony apparently escaped Mr. Dawkins that he himself was a gatecrasher to the movie and was uninvited; nevertheless, he wanted to know why his colleague was turned away even though he himself was admitted as were his colleague’s family.

    I just happened to be standing directly in line behind Dawkins’ academic colleague. Management of the movie theatre saw a man apparently hustling and bothering several invited attendees, apparently trying to disrupt the viewing or sneak in. Management then approached the man, asked him if he had a ticket, and when he confirmed that he didn’t, they then escorted him off the premises. Nowhere was one of the film’s producers to be found, and the man certainly didn’t identify himself. If a producer had been nearby, it’s possible that he would have been admitted, but the theatre’s management didn’t want to take any chances.

    So ultimately Dawkins’ first complaint was irrelevant. His second complaint was that any statement he made in the film was in fact under the assumption that he was being interviewed by Ben Stein (and by Mark Mathis) for a film that was to take an even-handed look at the Intelligent Design/Evolution controversy. Unfortunately, the entire audience, minus Dawkins’ posse, agreed that that the film’s main point was that Intelligent Design should be taught in conjunction with Evolution.

    (…)

    Ben Stein’s “Expelled” is one of the more evenhanded, clever, and well-produced documentaries currently on the market. While the Evolution/Intelligent Design debate can spark much emotion, anyone walking away from this film will be convinced that the merits of Intelligent Design should be on the same level playing field as Evolutionary Theory.”

I guess it’s all in the eye of the beholder.

There were enough people with Myers to be able to counter that claim that he was “misbehaving” Simon. PZ said it was untrue, Kristine said it was untrue : http://amused-muse.blogspot.com/200[…]xpelled.html And I’m willing to bet that PZ would not act disruptive with his wife and daughter in tow, along with Dawkins as a guest and others in their group. Moreover, none of the “Expelled” crew mentioned any sort of disruption at all, they merely claimed PZ was expelled because he “had was not invited” despite no one being “invited” or “having tickets.” Now, given that the producers of the film used lies and subterfuge to gain interviews…and may well have lied about when they claim to have changed the working title of the film…and since no one else has come forward with a corroboration to “Stuart Blessman’s” story – I feel pretty safe in believing that Stuart Blessman is more likely another lying pseudo-Christian.

No worries deadman, I did not for one moment believe that PZ Myers was causing a nuisance there. It’s merely a striking example of a strange and mystical correlation between a certain view of Evolution Theory and ID and the manner in which reality is perceived… LOL.

PZ: This kind of springs to mind. Hope it makes you laugh after what I’m sure was an unpleasant experience:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Mmge8nfsyg

What I would like to know is how did they recognise you and not Richard Dawkins ? Maybe they got you both confused ? It’s a shame though. I was looking forward to an unbiassed review rather than the nonsense that’s currently being put out by Ken Ham.

Still, I suppose you can still go to see it when it goes on general release. I’ll look forward to a proper review then. Considering the subject of the film the whole thing is ironic.

I wonder if there is CCTV footage of the cinema foyer?

Presumably since the screening was in MN the thought they might need to be on the alter for PZ and had already warned management, but never thought Richard would have hopped into town.

PZed:

Snark fails me. My coworkers are looking at me funnny-wondering why I’ve suddenly erupted into uncrontrolled giggling.

The same person who sent that nonsense to the “Looking Closer” website began backtracking once he had been called on it:

“Yes, you registered online, but the initial invitation was by invite only. You registered who was coming in your invited group, not just “first come, first serve.”

And since I was literally 3 feet away from Myers when he was “expelled,” I heard every word. It was obvious he was being kicked out by theatre management because he was not invited nor was he on the pre-submitted list. He didn’t cause a disruption per se; he was kindly escorted out.

In fact, Dawkins himself acted as a perfect gentleman during the Q&A. He was respectful of everyone present, even though he was a little upset about Myers and his own role in the film.

And, Peter, Mathis didn’t mention any details about a press release or finished cut.

One final comment or reflection - Having Dawkins show up in the theatre felt like the equivalent of having President Bush show up after a screening of Fahrenheit 9/11. It was that odd and yet exciting.”

And this is what he had said just a few hours earlier:

“Management of the movie theatre saw a man apparently hustling and bothering several invited attendees, apparently trying to disrupt the viewing or sneak in.”

Now, how can you be “literally 3 feet away from Myers when he was “expelled””, hearing “every word”, and not be able to get your story straight about what happened? I think that I will go with the story that PZ and Kristine have relayed, personally.

It does make me angry that someone would attempt to smear another human being like that, though. And the trouble is that it looks as though this is the version of events that is starting to spread across all of the Christian websites.

Someone might like to point out to the odious Overstreet on his blog that Stuart can be spelt “Stewart”, or “Steuart” or indeed several other varieties. Thus, although the commonest English usage is “Stuart” as a result of the union of the crowns, the simple fact is that spelling it Stewart is entirely normal. Its how my surname is spelt, and how various people spell it as their first name.

Just remember, it doesn’t count as lying if you’re Lying For Jesus!™

Damian:

The same person who sent that nonsense to the “Looking Closer” website began backtracking once he had been called on it:

“Yes, you registered online, but the initial invitation was by invite only. You registered who was coming in your invited group, not just “first come, first serve.”

And since I was literally 3 feet away from Myers when he was “expelled,” I heard every word. It was obvious he was being kicked out by theatre management because he was not invited nor was he on the pre-submitted list. He didn’t cause a disruption per se; he was kindly escorted out.

In fact, Dawkins himself acted as a perfect gentleman during the Q&A. He was respectful of everyone present, even though he was a little upset about Myers and his own role in the film.

And, Peter, Mathis didn’t mention any details about a press release or finished cut.

One final comment or reflection - Having Dawkins show up in the theatre felt like the equivalent of having President Bush show up after a screening of Fahrenheit 9/11. It was that odd and yet exciting.”

And this is what he had said just a few hours earlier:

“Management of the movie theatre saw a man apparently hustling and bothering several invited attendees, apparently trying to disrupt the viewing or sneak in.”

Now, how can you be “literally 3 feet away from Myers when he was “expelled””, hearing “every word”, and not be able to get your story straight about what happened? I think that I will go with the story that PZ and Kristine have relayed, personally.

It does make me angry that someone would attempt to smear another human being like that, though. And the trouble is that it looks as though this is the version of events that is starting to spread across all of the Christian websites.

Right, we now have a pretty strong case to publicize concerning the sheer dishonesty of the producers of “Expelled: No Critics Allowed”. We know (and can show) that:

(1) Those on the side of evolution who were asked to appear in the movie, “Crossroads”, have documentation telling them that the movie was about a film that explored both sides. PZ even has a post which contains the original email, and the descriptions from the original website that states that:

Crossroads - The intersection of science and religion

It’s been the central question of humanity throughout the ages: How in the world did we get here? In 1859 Charles Darwin provided the answer in his landmark book, “The Origin of Species”. In the Century and a half since, biologists, geologists, physicists, astronomers and philosophers have contributed a vast amount of data and research in support of Darwin’s idea. And yet, millions of Christians, Muslims, Jews, and other people of faith believe in a literal interpretation that humans were crafted by the hand of God. This conflict between science and religion has unleashed passions in school board meetings, courtrooms, and town halls across America and beyond”

This is the letter sent to PZ Myers:

Hello Mr. Myers,

My name is Mark Mathis. I am a Producer for Rampant Films. We are currently in production of the documentary film, “Crossroads: The Intersection of Science and Religion.”

At your convenience I would like to discuss our project with you and to see if we might be able to schedule an interview with you for the film. The interview would take no more than 90 minutes total, including set up and break down of our equipment.

We are interested in asking you a number of questions about the disconnect/controversy that exists in America between Evolution, Creationism and the Intelligent Design movement.

Please let me know what time would be convenient for me to reach you at your office. Also, could you please let me know if you charge a fee for interviews and if so, what that fee would be for 90 minutes of your time.

I look forward to speaking with you soon.

Sincerely,

Mark Mathis Rampant Films www.rampantfilms.com

(2) Wesley has shown that the producers had bought the domain name for “Expelled” before they began the interviews with either PZ Myers, Richard Dawkins, or Eugenie Scott.

As far as we can tell, they have not ever bought the domain name for “Crossroads”.

As Wesley put it - busted!

(3) We can prove, by email:

“Dear [I used my real name],

This is a confirmation of your RSVP for the free “Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed” movie screening. Venue information is below.

Theater: AMC Mall of America 14 4th Level, Center of South Ave. Bloomington, MN 55425

Date: March 20 Time: 7:00 PM

Number of seats reserved: 2 YOUR NAME WILL BE ON A LIST AT THE DOOR. NO TICKET IS NEEDED.

More information about “Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed” can be found at *link blah blah* Sincerely, Motive Entertainement

If you need to cancel or make an important change to an existing RSVP, please email *snip.* Be sure to reference the screening city, date, and time in your email.”

I received a second e-mail reminder again stating that no ticket was required.

and the information on the “Expelled” site, that PZ and the rest were perfectly within their rights to apply for a place and turn up at the showing. Obviously, the producers were within their rights to turn them away, but that isn’t the issue. It is the hypocrisy that is so stunning. We can also check their story when all of this starts to come out from their side.

Now, all this does is show how dishonest that they have been (for most of us, anyway), and it is information that we can certainly publicize, given that they are selling this movie on the ticket of evil Darwinists not allowing those poor creation scientists (OK, IDists as well - what’s the difference?) to participate in the scientific process.

You can’t promote academic freedom, while at the same time deceiving as many people as possible. Well, actually, you can, but it should be made clear to all those who keep pretending that we really are suppressing debate for nefarious reasons.

You’re a special little guy, jacob.

Jacob, have you read Damians post above? It nicely summarises why you are completely and utterly wrong. Feel free to try and find some evidence that you are right.

jacob: He really should have slowed down and thought a bit about how this is going to make him look.

Is that what you do, jacob? Every time you post a comment here on PT? Maybe think a bit more, then.

From the “Crossroads” website, as quoted bt Damian above:

In the Century and a half since, biologists, geologists, physicists, astronomers and philosophers have contributed a vast amount of data and research in support of Darwin’s idea. And yet, millions of Christians, Muslims, Jews, and other people of faith believe in a literal interpretation that humans were crafted by the hand of God.

I’m no Myers, Elsberry or even that Dawkins guy (sorry, couldn’t resist ;-)), but that quote would have made me suspicious. Immediate thoughts would have been: “crafted by the hand of God” when?, where?, how, if not by evolution?; “literal interpretation” of what - Bible? if so, which of the mutually contradictory ones?; what about those theists who see no conflict?

Granted, some defenders of mainstream science and religion are sloppy with words like that, but just the way it was stated reeks of a deliberate bait-and-switch.

What on earth are you on about Jacob? That post made no sense at all.

jacob blathered:

If the creationists are dumb rednecks why is it so easy for them to ‘dupe’ these ‘scientists’?

Perhaps because scientists are honest, and expect everyone else to be also, while those dumb rednecks are not just dumb, but also duplicitous mendacious liars.

Kinda like you.

jacob:

Think logically people! Walk it through!

Yes, let’s …

jacob:

It is pretty obvious that what happened was that he was not officially invited and then was indignant that the cop was just doing what he was told.

Why would they let Dawkins (‘leader of the rabid atheists’) in and not PM?

And he ran to the apple store in a fit of anger. He really should have slowed down and thought a bit about how this is going to make him look.

So, how did this make him look?

1) He followed the rules and signed up to attend.

2) He signed up using his real name.

3) He politely complied with authorities when asked to leave.

4) He was amused rather than irate about the situation.

5) He chose to share the irony of the situation with his readers.

So … seems to me this makes him look like a reasonable, honest, law-abiding citizen with a good sense of humor. I’m wondering why jacob thinks this is a Bad Thing.

DNFTT! “This is a happy occasion!”

Jacob,

Since you defend the activists’ tactics, I’m curious if you agree with any of them on the science. Specifically, do you agree with those who state that life on earth began 3-4 billion years ago, or do you agree with the ones who think that life is far younger (or older)? Do you agree with Michael Behe, who plainly states that humans are biologically related to other species, or do you favor the increasingly vague independent abiogenesis scenarios promoted by most other anti-evolutionists?

Jesus, they’re wankers. And fools.

jacob:

guthrie:

What on earth are you on about Jacob? That post made no sense at all.

guthrie:

What on earth are you on about Jacob? That post made no sense at all.

What part couldnt you understand. I can try to make the point simpler

Please. Simple, as in once will do. But don’t forget to think before you submit. Think of how it might make you look… ;-)

Jacob, I can only hope that you are a parody. There is always room for discourse between people of different opinion, but it does seem strange to me that so many evolution deniers behave in a similar vein to yourself. I don’t mean to be rude, but the rhetoric is often overdone to the point that it sounds rather false - to me, anyway.

PZ is saying that a cop had been obviously given a picture of PZ and told to watch for him and when he was spotted to boot him out. Of course the cop was not instructed to do the same for Dawkins.

As far as I’m aware, we don’t know what the police officer knew, and PZ hasn’t mentioned the officer having a picture. Mark Mathis spotted PZ (or was told about him), and asked the officer to remove him. We really don’t know if they noticed Dawkins.

And it is so comical how Dawkins et al are constantly being duped by the ‘evil creationists’ Any body who has any media exposure if they have half a brain are leery of reporters and interviews. Esp when Dawkins has this conspiracy thing going. That youtube where Dawkins is stumped is hillarious.

Well, it would be hilarious if attempting to ‘dupe’ someone wasn’t morally suspect. That required bare faced lies. If you find that acceptable, there is little more that I can say, to be honest.

Also, the video that you have mentioned on youtube is heavily doctored. Once again, it is an example of reckless deceit, with no concern for the consequences. I really must question people who think that this is morally acceptable.

And now PZ has fallen victim to the ‘nefarious’ creationists who plot these things out is some kind of bunker.

This truly is a very, very funny example of the Moriarity complex in all its glory.

Yes, I too delight at brazen dishonesty. Very strange, indeed.

Actually PZ has again been duped. This is great press for the movie! Hope it makes national news: “Scientist expelled from the ‘Expelled’ movie. Nothing like controversy to make a movie a success.

If the creationists are dumb rednecks why is it so easy for them to ‘dupe’ these ‘scientists’? Just too funny. Really!

Because good people are often more gullible. That doesn’t necessarily say a great deal about the person that is duped, however.

I am slightly concerned by this attitude, Jacob. The other day you were complaining about being insulted, even when you weren’t really being insulted. Now you are giving whole-hearted praise to blatant dishonesty. I am not sure that you really should be displaying this side to your character, but it is your life, I guess.

jacob:

Actually I think if I was in charge I would have .….

Now that is funny! Jacob thinking he could be in charge of anything.

I like the way he finds humor it his own imagined scenario as if it was real. I guess most creationists have difficulties separating reality from fantasy,

Jacob,

I asked my questions three days ago. I told you I would not respond to anything you write until you respond to my questions. I’m still waiting.

jacob, did you miss those questions I posted for you twice now? Well, here they are again for you! Don’t worry, I won’t forget! I’ve got them saved on my hard drive now. And just so you know, mine don’t require any math proofs to answer, and are actually on topic. I hope you get to them soon!

David Stanton:

Here is a list of some of the intermediates between Cetaceans and their terrestrial ancestors and their time of appearance in the fossil record:

1. Pakicetus 50 M 2. Ambulocetus 48 M 3. Procetus 45 M 4. Rodhocetus 46 M 5. Kutchicetus 43 M 6. Basilosaurus 36 M 7. Dorudon 37 M 8. Aetiocetus 26 M

National Geographic 200(5):64-76

Now, what is yur [sic] explanation for this evidence? How do you explain the fact that this evidence corresponds precisely with the embrylogical evidence? What is your alternative explanation?

Once you are done with that, please explain all of the genetic evidence.

Jackelope King:

Do you or do you not reject the dishonest methods used by the producers of the film Expelled with regards to how they went about petitioning scientists for interviews? Do you or do you not reject the hypocrisy said producers are engaged in by expelling a scientist who appeared in their film from seeing the screening after he’d followed all the proper procedures to see the film?

A simple pair of yes or no questions, and ones that are actually on-topic. If you refuse to answer them, don’t worry: I’ll post them again and again until you do. And I’ve got others waiting for you when you get to these, some which other creationists / cdesign proponentists / intelligent design proponents / teach the controversy-ists / assorted flavors of anti-science folks have been fairly unwilling to answer. However, if you don’t answer them, you’ll only be making a case for people who believe you’re nothing but a troll. So I urge you to answer mine and David’s questions directly.

Case in point, the above post illustrates nicely where jacob’s education stopped: multiplication and fractions. Junior high stuff that he probably struggled for years to master. And he’s mighty proud of it too, but alas the rest of the world moved on.

Stanton,

Don’t respond to the troll throwing out math bait. I presented an equation that he asked for and he completely ignored it. He did not display one bit of comprehension of what the equation represented and he did not present one shred of evidence that it was not appropriate. I don’t think that he had the slightest clue how to solve the equation or even what the solution would mean if he could solve it.

He seems to think that we must earn the right to be privy to his mathemathematical musings. Well he hasn’t earned the right to expect anyone else to earn anything. He still refuses to answer my questions about SINE insertions and then complains that others won’t answer his questions. He still copies long posts and then whines about others cutting and pasting. He is an example of the classic “I know you are but what am I” mirror argument. Anything you say about him he will accuse you of, just because it sounds good, even though it is obviously wrong.

If this guy ever does present any equations of his own, apparently the correct response is to simply call it “comical”.

I certainly don’t intend to respond to dice games rigged by trolls, anyhow, David.

Should somebody point out that the inflation rate thing applies only to bank accounts, and not to the evolution for which bank accounts were being used as an analogy? (Granted, that’s probably obvious to most people.)

Henry

Henry J:

Should somebody point out that the inflation rate thing applies only to bank accounts, and not to the evolution for which bank accounts were being used as an analogy? (Granted, that’s probably obvious to most people.)

Henry

Ah, but think of all the interest generated, not least here!

;-)

Compounded too, or is that confounded? Hey, see now I’m confuzzled!

wad of id:

You can’t hope to educate someone like jacob… it’s a noble thought, but it is simply not possible.

More to the point, the individual in question is using his apparent level of educability as a tool to accomplish his purposes, which in the main are disruption of discussion and the generation of intemperate/unwise responses.

This phenomenon will become more common, not less common, as the War On Science progresses. PT regulars need to be aware of this and be willing and ready to resist the temptation to educate those who are posting here with dishonest intentions, when those intentions become glaringly obvious (as they have been in this case for quite some time).

The other day, Jacob reporter Panda’s Thumb as a porn site.

“OK I reported this as a porn site.”

Why is he still here? I wonder if his parents know he has this problem.

Please move this comment and all of Jacob’s to the bathroom wall.

Jacob,

How was my equation in error? Your only response was that it was “comical”. That does not prove that it is in error. Your response was comical.

Now are you going to answer my questions about SINEs or not. Why do artiodactyls share exactly the same SINE insertions that are found in modern cetaceans? I find it comical that you refuse to respond.

Nice copy and paste by the way. My comments were not directed at you. Why did you copy and paste them and still not respond to my questions? And why are you still visiting a “porn site”?

jacob, did you miss those questions I posted for you three times now? Well, here they are again for you! Don’t worry, I won’t forget! I’ve got them saved on my hard drive now. And just so you know, mine don’t require any math proofs to answer, and are actually on topic. I hope you get to them soon!

David Stanton:

Here is a list of some of the intermediates between Cetaceans and their terrestrial ancestors and their time of appearance in the fossil record:

1. Pakicetus 50 M 2. Ambulocetus 48 M 3. Procetus 45 M 4. Rodhocetus 46 M 5. Kutchicetus 43 M 6. Basilosaurus 36 M 7. Dorudon 37 M 8. Aetiocetus 26 M

National Geographic 200(5):64-76

Now, what is yur [sic] explanation for this evidence? How do you explain the fact that this evidence corresponds precisely with the embrylogical evidence? What is your alternative explanation?

Once you are done with that, please explain all of the genetic evidence.

Jackelope King:

Do you or do you not reject the dishonest methods used by the producers of the film Expelled with regards to how they went about petitioning scientists for interviews? Do you or do you not reject the hypocrisy said producers are engaged in by expelling a scientist who appeared in their film from seeing the screening after he’d followed all the proper procedures to see the film?

A simple pair of yes or no questions, and ones that are actually on-topic. If you refuse to answer them, don’t worry: I’ll post them again and again until you do. And I’ve got others waiting for you when you get to these, some which other creationists / cdesign proponentists / intelligent design proponents / teach the controversy-ists / assorted flavors of anti-science folks have been fairly unwilling to answer. However, if you don’t answer them, you’ll only be making a case for people who believe you’re nothing but a troll. So I urge you to answer mine and David’s questions directly.

Would you people PLEASE STOP ENGAGING THIS “JACOB” ASS? I’m moving his comments to the bathroom wall, even though I think they’d be better off flushed.

Why should they let a known evolutionist into a movie when there are children present; this is a legitimate safety issue! Watch this video for details on how the theory of evolution is practiced!

They singled me out and evicted me, but they didn’t notice my guest. They let him go in escorted by my wife and daughter. I guess they didn’t recognize him. My guest was …

Richard Dawkins.

He’s in the theater right now, watching their movie.

Tell me, are you laughing as hard as I am?

lol

I’ve been reading about the Scientology cult for a while and the tactics used by them are a mirror image of the creationists. Anything is legal if it’s for the ‘cause’.

PZ Myers:

Would you people PLEASE STOP ENGAGING THIS “JACOB” ASS? I’m moving his comments to the bathroom wall, even though I think they’d be better off flushed.

You just know “jacob” will cry “censorship” over that and ask what you are trying to hide. It’s more like trying to save what little dignity he had before he came here and lost it all completely.

Seriously, I never cease to be amazed at all these idiots who come here and make lame pot shots at evolution and those who support its teaching and think they’re all that. It only hardens my resolve not to give them any respect.

JW:

I’ve been reading about the Scientology cult for a while and the tactics used by them are a mirror image of the creationists. Anything is legal if it’s for the ‘cause’.

Dale Husband:

Seriously, I never cease to be amazed at all these idiots who come here and make lame pot shots at evolution and those who support its teaching and think they’re all that. It only hardens my resolve not to give them any respect.

These two notes are strongly related.

Many of us who are veterans of the Scientology Wars on the Internet will claim to see a great deal of similarity in style and tactics between some of the disagreeable visitors here and some of the Co$ operatives that are keen to disrupt or terminate any public discussion of facts or ideas that they find to be “suppressive”.

It will be a tactical blunder to assume that they all are “idiots”, or that they have any interest in gaining respect. What they want is uproar, confusion and a complete diversion of the forum from its intended purpose.

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