Preaching to the faithful

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The Expelled website has the following blurb

Welcome to the Expelled Challenge web site where, as a Christian school or a Christian home school group, you will have a chance to win up to a $10,000 donation while educating your students, parents, and staff of the controversy that is surrounding the Intelligent Design and evolution debate.

Seems clear who the audience is for Expelled. My question is will Christians be foolish enough…

From the FAQ: In speaking with Christian Schools, we’ve found that hosting a school-wide “mandatory” field trip is the best way to maximize your school’s earning potential.

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But ID isn’t about religion. No, sireee…

It says:

“…will have a chance to win up to a $10,000…”

Up to, up to, up to. I suspect anyone who enters will see very little of the $10,000 purse, if anything.

Depends. Don’t take Christians to mean only hard-core, right-wing, fundamentalist-creationist, Bob Jones-inspired homeschoolers and “Christian Academy” folks. They will be fooled, but since they believe the nonsense already, fooled probably isn’t the operative word.

Then there are the majority of Christians around the world (such as yourself, if I’m not mistaken). A few of them may be fooled, due to an inadequate education. But most are too wise and well-educated not to recognize this foolishness for what it is.

I just wish that more of them would make the effort to educate their fellow Christians so that nonbelievers don’t see Christianity as foolish. You perform an invaluable service in reminding us that some Christians are indeed wise and above the petty worldview of the creationists.

Will Coca Cola company be happy with the Expelled Challenge Logo? The venom appears to be in the tail once again.

Thought Experiment:

Winning school will need at least 1000 kids, right?

Movie tickets are about 10 bucks a pop nowadays.

So this isn’t really so much a contest as it is a chance at a percentage of reimbursement.

As a teacher (who is not employed by a Christian school) what do you think is the best way to respond to “Expelled” should it show up in my hometown? Wait until a student asks me what it’s about? Hope my kids don’t go see it? Head ‘em off at the pass by explaining my version of the facts? Ignore it?

Just Bob:

Depends. Don’t take Christians to mean only hard-core, right-wing, fundamentalist-creationist, Bob Jones-inspired homeschoolers and “Christian Academy” folks.

The bad news is, they’ve pretty successfully hijacked the term. I mean, really, if you ask someone, “What church do you go to?” and they respond not “Baptist” or “Lutheran” or “Catholic” or “Presbyterian” but “Christian”, you probably won’t need to ask “Which one?” And no one’s stopping them, any more than we see a sufficiently loud hue and cry from mainstream Muslims against their violent “brethren.”

teach:

As a teacher (who is not employed by a Christian school) what do you think is the best way to respond to “Expelled” should it show up in my hometown? Wait until a student asks me what it’s about? Hope my kids don’t go see it? Head ‘em off at the pass by explaining my version of the facts? Ignore it?

I suggest having a way to explain that it is a cheat and a lie. Don’t ignore it!

BTW, did you happen to notice the endorsments they got? All from Scientists, of course…

Ken Smitherman, President, Association of Christian Schools International Michael Medved, nationally syndicated radio host Dr J.I. Packer, theologian Peter Furler, lead singer, The Newsboys Luis Palau, President, Luis Palau Association (He’s a virulent homophobe, known as the “Evangelist of the World)

Wonder why the fundies are upset with the scientists and evilutionists more than their own God? I mean, He not only buried our oil under their desert, on top of that, He is making fundie schools depend on hand outs from Ben Stein!

But one thing we must all understand, the fundie schools might be easy to fool about things like science evolution etc. But when it comes to money, they are as hard nosed and down to earth as any bond trader on Wall Street. They know the squeezability of their flock and they plot the yield curve like any Texas oil tycoon. If their students can afford to part with 10$, they would like to have that 10$ all for themselves. Giving it to a movie theater, to enrich Ben Stein, who would grudgingly give a fraction back to the school … Come on, these schools are too highly evolved under heavy selection pressure to fall for that.

What is the release date for this movie? I heard it was February, then spring.

thanks

So…Muslim or Jewish schools need not apply. Have they been expelled by Ben Stein? Those Jews and Muslims have all the luck!

So do we know why they delayed the release? I wonder if ANY theaters have signed on to show it.

I watched the trailer … wanted to puke -ugh- it said the release date is April 08.

Stacy S.: I watched the trailer … wanted to puke -ugh- it said the release date is April 08.

Late by a week. April 01 would have been such an appropriate date.

Ravilyn Sanders:

Wonder why the fundies are upset with the scientists and evilutionists more than their own God? I mean, He not only buried our oil under their desert, on top of that, He is making fundie schools depend on hand outs from Ben Stein!

But one thing we must all understand, the fundie schools might be easy to fool about things like science evolution etc. But when it comes to money, they are as hard nosed and down to earth as any bond trader on Wall Street. They know the squeezability of their flock and they plot the yield curve like any Texas oil tycoon. If their students can afford to part with 10$, they would like to have that 10$ all for themselves. Giving it to a movie theater, to enrich Ben Stein, who would grudgingly give a fraction back to the school … Come on, these schools are too highly evolved under heavy selection pressure to fall for that.

Well, you see, the problem is that while God is omnipotent and omniscient, He also needs money. Lots and lots and lots of money, so His favored minions can spend it for Him on all sorts of decadent hobbies that are otherwise forbidden according to the Bible.

teach said: As a teacher (who is not employed by a Christian school) what do you think is the best way to respond to “Expelled” should it show up in my hometown? Wait until a student asks me what it’s about? Hope my kids don’t go see it? Head ‘em off at the pass by explaining my version of the facts? Ignore it?

Just teach the facts about evolution and avoid any hype about it. Don’t stoop to the sensational level of your opponents.

As a teacher (who is not employed by a Christian school) what do you think is the best way to respond to “Expelled” should it show up in my hometown?

Tell your pupils that you will setting an exam on it, but that pupils who haven’t seen it will be excused.

I suppose after that awful comment I ought to try a sensible suggestion.

I would suggest not taking the initiative, or you might give the impression that the film is more important than it really is. But ensure you have a few facts and URLs at your fingertips (plenty available from the archive here) should it happen to get mentioned. If the film should become popular (unlikely) you could consider doing a lesson on the differences between propaganda and research. Which might be a good idea anyway.

fooled probably isn’t the operative word.

credulous is the word you’re seeking, I think.

Oh, and ID isn’t about religion. What a bunch of moronic theistard dipshits.

*snicker*

i don’t get it. My daughter and her classmates at public school are “expelled” from this challenge but the DI would jump at the chance to have them read that pandas and people crap????

just like some IDiot websites and podcasts.…I wish you could by a ticket to this movie that stipulated that you don’t support it. I think many ‘consumers’ of ID related materials are doing so to critique them and/or to know what to keep their children away from

CleveDan:

i don’t get it. My daughter and her classmates at public school are “expelled” from this challenge but the DI would jump at the chance to have them read that pandas and people crap????

just like some IDiot websites and podcasts.…I wish you could by a ticket to this movie that stipulated that you don’t support it. I think many ‘consumers’ of ID related materials are doing so to critique them and/or to know what to keep their children away from

Good points, CleveDan.

As you have just demonstrated once more, the DI knows nothing of logic…

CleveDan wrote

…I wish you could by a ticket to this movie that stipulated that you don’t support it.

This is a great idea. Make two tickets available:

  1. Red: I support academic freedom.
  2. Blue: I do not support academic freedom.

The creationist coward hiding behind the username Evolved lied: “Oh, and ID isn’t about religion. What a bunch of moronic theistard dipshits. *snicker*

Let’s take your opinion and compare it to the opinion of Federal Judge John Jones: “We have concluded that intelligent design is not science, and moreover that intelligent design cannot uncouple itself from its creationist, and thus religious, antecedents.”

You lose.

Or let’s compare your opinion to that of Dr. Barbara Forrest, in her paper “Understanding the Intelligent Design Creationist Movement: Its True Nature and Goals,” - available at http://www.centerforinquiry.net/upl[…]t-design.pdf - which analyzes the religious origins of intelligent design creationism.

You lose again.

So, unless you reveal your true identity, and reveal that you have both a Federal judgeship and a doctorate in philosophy, you’re out-voted by folks that know a lot more than you do. (And who are a lot more civil.)

It is not clear to me who the audience is. A Christian school should be following the Christian founder’s maxim to pursue poverty. Winning $10,000 shouldn’t be an enticement. Truth should be enough.

If I understand this correctly, the Expelled folks deem it necessary and proper to offer payment (actually a lottery, not unlike the rabble who cast lots for Jesus’ clothes, Luke 23:24) to get people to see their movie. Maybe it’s not such a hot ticket.

Yes, the operative words are; “a chance to win up to $10.000” I have a chance to win the lottery this week, I wonder how proximate the likelihoods of those two events would happen to be?

-“what do we burn aside from witches?”

OT: just got through the “George” - hijacked thread, and had a few thoughts: Most of the time, I find the Trolls somewhat entertaining, even the best part of Panda’s Thumb. I get to watch people that I generally despise (idiots) get their heads handed to them on a platter. Even if they don’t own up to it, it’s still fun to watch. But this George creep really was a waste of oxygen. Even the insane ones are more fun than that. He changed course at every turn, so there was no dialog, no character development, no tension, nothing. I don’t know how many lurkers out there share my view that it is the debate that is so much fun, but not with people like George - he doesn’t have any cause to defend, he just wants to be a jerk. Aside from that, thank you all for responding to the trolls; I learn a lot from watching these dialogs, and have a good time enjoying the display of wit and intelligence at Panda’s Thumb.

Dan

Paul Burnett: The creationist coward hiding behind the username Evolved lied:

Uh, Paul…? You might want to read Evolved’s comment again. I do not think that it means what you think it does.

So, my question is, “Who is fronting the money?” The up front for the film production, and the 10K “prize.” Is this like Kent Hovind’s bogus quarter million dollar contest?

Enlisting Christian schools and Christian home-schooled. Hum.

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