Ben Stein’s Career goes Down the Toilet

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And, lest there be any doubt what the true motivation for Expelled is, check out this screen grab from the “Leader’s DVD” handed out at preview screenings…

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I like how “good science” is in quotes.

I think Ben Stein is a “great man”.… :)

Well, I guess if you’ve got money and no research agenda …

I like how “good science” is in quotes.

- No doubt that’s to differentiate it from the “evil science” practised by those “Darwinists”!

Gib Wrote:

I like how “good science” is in quotes.

I often notice how extreme fundamentalists are, despite all their preaching to the contrary, as morally relativistic as anyone. But I also notice that morally relativistic people in general tend to use subtle indicators that their conscience may be nagging them. The frequent use of “Darwinism” instead of “evolutionary biology” is one, and the above quotes - where the lack of them would suit the “ID is science” pretense better - is another.

Gib:

I like how “good science” is in quotes.

I think Ben Stein is a “great man”.… :)

Yeah, he really grates, man…

Nah, Stein’s career will go ok. The Discovery Institute will appoint him a senior fellow and he’ll then he’ll have a cushy job writing great, whopping & hilarious lies for Uncommon Descent.

It’s good. They can use some fresh lack of talent over there.

doov

Yeah, what ever happened to Michael Medved? I thought he was going to do great things for The Discovery Institute?

Ben’s career was already in the toilet. You should read what the economics blogs say about his WSJ articles. If you like his views creationism, you will love hisGoldman Sacks conspiracy theories.

ellazimm Wrote:

Yeah, what ever happened to Michael Medved? I thought he was going to do great things for The Discovery Institute?

His radio show, commentaries for Townhall and public appearances have been keeping him busy. From what I read and hear, he devotes an almost negligible amount of his time to anti-evolution pseudoscience. I think the DI hired him to find Bigfoot. But like all the other ID “research” we keep hearing about, it will begin “any day now.”

“Bigfoot” jokes aside, the DI is an authoritarian think tank, with other interests besides anti-evolution activism. Their “Center for Science and Culture” is the ID arm. I’m not sure if Medved is part of that.

Note, my admittedly cynical view is that Medved and Stein are used by the DI to counter the frequent accusations of their being all about “Christianity.” But I’m one who doesn’t take their bait. Rather than target “Christians” I speak of “anti-science activists” and “their scammed cheerleaders.” Only when the context demands it, do I refer to “fundamentalists” in general. And when the opportunity arises, I point out the inconvenient fact that the fundamentalist Muslims that they despise are more likely to buy their anti-evolution pseudoscience than the average Christian or Jew.

The screen shot with “faith” is one thing, but if you go to …

http://getexpelled.com/downloads.php

…and then click on the URL-link for an “Expelled” PowerPoint presentation you get…

http://www.powerpointsermons.com/?p[…];x=0&y=0

That’s right “Power Point Sermons” dot com!!!!

Let them keep talking. They’ll have the longest rope that the fundies could ever weave.

Hey I understand Ben’s gardner at one of his six estates quit because he is an evolutionist with a degree from raisen bran univ. (similar to most of the posters here).

Since that job pays 12/hr with benefits and would be a substantial raise for the evobutts here and close to nature, field work for you, see…send your resume to Ben today.

Since the junk lawsuit, threats, picketing, NADA…nothing worked… I think you all should lie down on the interstates and freeways leading to the movie parking lots in droves and block traffic…preferably at 2 am in a black suit.

April 18th.. Independence Day II

The Sadly, No! weblog spotted Medved ranting about why americans will never accept an atheist president.

“Just as the Queen plays a formal role as head of the Church of England, the President functions as head of the “Church of America” – that informal, tolerant but profoundly important civic religion that dominates all our national holidays and historic milestones.”

“A president with a mandate doesn’t have to be a regular church-goer, or even a convinced believer; but he can’t openly reject the religious sensibility of nearly all his predecessors and nearly all his fellow citizens.”

Here is the tirade: http://www.townhall.com/columnists/[…]omments=true

and here is Sadly, No! take: http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/9246.html

Reposted from another thread. Just for Keith. This reviewer could be describing you.….

The New York Times weighs in (registration is required but free):

Resentment Over Darwin Evolves Into a Documentary

The opening sentence says it best:

One of the sleaziest documentaries to arrive in a very long time, “Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed” is a conspiracy-theory rant masquerading as investigative inquiry.

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Why don’t you go back and reread the reviews for these guys other flop with Mel Gibson and see what the secular liberal press and reviewers said about it.

Then check out the boxoffice at 680 million worldwide.

Then go get vacinated against being bitten by rabid bats.

Rick R: have you a link? That looks delightful.

Here you go, Dana-

Karen:

The New York Times weighs in (registration is required but free):

Resentment Over Darwin Evolves Into a Documentary

The opening sentence says it best:

One of the sleaziest documentaries to arrive in a very long time, "Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed" is a conspiracy-theory rant masquerading as investigative inquiry.

Rabies? It’s projection with you, Keith. Truly excellent parody.

Keith:

ON a whim, I looked at the reviews for “Passion”;

Hmmm, a 50% positive overall, and 38% positive from top reviewers.

“expelled”? A 9% positive, and 0% from top reviewers to date. Seems statistically significant.

Keith: Just out of curiosity: what is your academic and employment background?

_Arthur Wrote:

The Sadly, No! weblog spotted Medved ranting about why americans will never accept an atheist president.

More evidence that Medved likes to talk about subjects other than evolution.

On his radio show Medved appears especially knowledgeable about history, and secondly religion. Caveat: I’m no expert in those subjects, so I can’t tell if he’s just good at memorizing lots of facts, getting them mostly wrong, but thinking fast on his feet. But he seems to be able to stump callers when other far-right talk show hosts have to escape by talking over them or saying “oops, I have to take a hard break, thank you for the call.”

From the few times Medved discusses science he does seem clueless, but that too might be an act. Even before joining the DI, however, he was far more savvy than other far-right talk show hosts about anti-evolution activism. E.g. he caught a caller off guard with “Mike Huckabee is (probably?) not a young-earther.”

You’re such a joke Keith.

ellazimm: Keith: Just out of curiosity: what is your academic and employment background?

Keith has at times claimed several master’s degrees, but none in biology. But that depends on how long ago he took his meds.

Chris Wrote:

“expelled”? A 9% positive, and 0% from top reviewers to date. Seems statistically significant.

Do you have any data for religious and/or politically conservative reviewers? I would guess that they’d be a little more favorable than that, though not nearly as favorable as for “Passion.” And near zero if such reviewers know more than a little about science.

Medved just might see this as a poison pill, too hot to handle even for him, though he thoroughly agrees with the premise. But let’s wait & see. He get’s pretty obnoxious.

Joseph Goebbels:

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.

Stein will do just fine. There is always a demand for demagogues and propagandists. The lunatic fringes are his natural element. Plus, it helps in that business to be devoid of a conscience.

Goebbels had a great run as the Nazi propaganda minister and ended up as the last head of the third Reich. Money and power were his for the taking. He had a rough landing though.

wikipedia:

At 8 p.m. on the evening of 1 May, Goebbels arranged for an SS doctor, Helmut Kunz, to kill his six children by injecting them with morphine and then, when they were unconscious, crushing an ampoule of cyanide in each of their mouths.

He then shot himself.

Stein will end up with more than enough money, a steady job as propagandist for crackpots, and the appalled condemnation from most of the intelligentsia. In a worst case scenario, he will have the satisfaction of helping to bring down the American civilization.

I’m beginning to think the Seattle Times has mutated over to the dark side. The Times often gives mucho space to the DI’s op-eds, which, not suprisingly, are quickly posted on the DI’s site even before the ink dries. And, and such op-ed’s are added to their list of “peer reviewed” publications (hey, the newpaper editor looked it over & approved it).

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ht[…]apman17.html

The same Michael Medved, in his Town Hall column, explained that slavery in America wasn’t so bad after all.

“An honest and balanced understanding of the position of slavery in the American experience requires a serious attempt to place the institution in historical context and to clear-away some of the common myths and distortions.” “1. SLAVERY WAS AN ANCIENT AND UNIVERSAL INSTITUTION, NOT A DISTINCTIVELY AMERICAN INNOVATION.” “2. SLAVERY EXISTED ONLY BRIEFLY, AND IN LIMITED LOCALES, IN THE HISTORY OF THE REPUBLIC – INVOLVING ONLY A TINY PERCENTAGE OF THE ANCESTORS OF TODAY’S AMERICANS. “ “3. THOUGH BRUTAL, SLAVERY WASN’T GENOCIDAL: LIVE SLAVES WERE VALUABLE BUT DEAD CAPTIVES BROUGHT NO PROFIT. “ “4. IT’S NOT TRUE THAT THE U.S. BECAME A WEALTHY NATION THROUGH THE ABUSE OF SLAVE LABOR: THE MOST PROSPEROUS STATES IN THE COUNTRY WERE THOSE THAT FIRST FREED THEIR SLAVES.” “5. WHILE AMERICA DESERVES NO UNIQUE BLAME FOR THE EXISTENCE OF SLAVERY, THE UNITED STATES MERITS SPECIAL CREDIT FOR ITS RAPID ABOLITION.” “6. THERE IS NO REASON TO BELIEVE THAT TODAY’S AFRICAN-AMERICANS WOULD BE BETTER OFF IF THEIR ANCESTORS HAD REMAINED BEHIND IN AFRICA.”

For an encore, I suppose Medved will argue that the Holocaust lasted only a few years, and wasn’t so bad after all.

Here is the column (I kid you not) http://www.townhall.com/Columnists/[…]_and_slavery

Here is Sadly, No! take “Pick a bale of stupid” http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/7272.html

Sorry for getting more and more off-topic. Of course, the Holocaust, Slavery, Darwin, Bein Sein, Mike Medved, Nazism, Atheism are utterly unrelated topics.

Walker:

Ben’s career was already in the toilet. You should read what the economics blogs say about his WSJ articles. If you like his views creationism, you will love hisGoldman Sacks conspiracy theories.

The best thing I saw in those blog was the suggested that the term “Tom Foolery” be replaced by “Ben Steinery”. Brilliant!

Keith: Why don’t you go back and reread the reviews for these guys other flop with Mel Gibson and see what the secular liberal press and reviewers said about it.

Then check out the boxoffice at 680 million worldwide.

Then go get vacinated against being bitten by rabid bats.

Nothing quite illustrates the fanatic’s level of delusion as his or her inability to see the world as it actually is. To wit:

http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies[…]eviews_x.htm

The fact is, the reviews for The Passion were mixed with some MAJOR critics actually giving it a good review based on Mel Gibson’s technical accomplishment and story telling. This is not the case with Expelled however; even the most CONSERVATIVE critics have panned it as tripe. Get a grip, Keith…the movie is just bad no matter how you slice it.

Chris said:

Keith:

ON a whim, I looked at the reviews for “Passion”;

Hmmm, a 50% positive overall, and 38% positive from top reviewers.

“expelled”? A 9% positive, and 0% from top reviewers to date. Seems statistically significant.

That’s only if you believe the Darwinian lie of statistics!

WATERLOO!

(Discovery Institute distancing itself from the film a la Dover in 5…4…3…

keith:

Yeah this is a great analogy to say a cell, an airborne avionics system, an auto assembly plant, a Saturn rocket, an insulin producing assembly or such.

From a “career perspective” standpoint, then, it’s obviously to your benefit that you are retired. Refusal to acknowledge demonstrated physical reality can really set you back at performance review time.

(Isn’t that conceptually related to what happened to somebody described in some sleazy movie that came out recently?)

So how can one have a MS in engineering and be totally devoid of knowledge of basic physics?

Astounding.

a degree from raisen bran univ. (similar to most of the posters here)

It isn’t relevant since I’m not a biologist, but fun fact: my PhD is from Uppsala University, which was founded 1477.

OTOH american islands were (re)discovered by europeans 1492, and US founded 1776. Guess that makes US a raisin bran nation in comparison. :-P

evolutionary algorithms applied to circuit design.

A former neighbor of mine researched antenna designs. AFAIU evolutionary algorithms were known to come up with the damnedest asymmetric designs, sometimes much superior to the symmetric designs of regular engineering.

Oh, I forgot:

your team

keith has indeed a retired brain, as he can’t distinguish private bloggers from a conspiration.

keith: … Experienced engineers know that highly integrated, multi-component heterogeneous systems replete with strict interface requirements, communication protocols, codes, quality control elements, sensory perceptive feedback elements can not and have not ever been developed by any evolutionary methods in human experience and all attempts to do so have been abject failures.

This doesn’t square with my experience. You see I happen to remember when Salvador Cordova got whupped in a week-long, Open Book test by an Evolutionary Algorithm, which solved a given network connections problem much better than he did.

Also, judging from the number of over-the-top comments submitted here, I would venture that my ‘toon really got Keith Eaton’s goat. Cool!

Cheers, Dave

keith wrote:

Stochastic circuit design lets see transistors, resisters, inductors, capacitors, rectifiers…maybe 12 component types driven by search space limiting assumptions, goal searching and optimization algorithms, defined objective functions and all programmed by yesireee a group of intelligent programmers using codes developed by yesiree intelligent software engineers, hardware engineers, etc. All designed…get it designed.

But the algorithm is designed (by a human designer) to mimic biological evolution (a natural occurrence). And the circuits in this case are not designed by a human but by a computer running an evolutionary algorithm. If you are arguing that God designed an evolutionary algorithm to create all life on earth, I can live with that; It still wouldn’t count as a scientific claim however.

Yeah this is a great analogy to say a cell, an airborne avionics system, an auto assembly plant, a Saturn rocket, an insulin producing assembly or such.

Actually all of your analogies are inappropriate primarily because biological organisms and structures aren’t like anything made by human designers. Nice of you to once again demonstrate your intellectual dishonesty by moving the goal posts though, since your original analogy didn’t mention any of the above. Let me refresh your memory.

Last paragraph from comment #151436:

Experienced engineers know that highly integrated, multi-component heterogeneous systems replete with strict interface requirements, communication protocols, codes, quality control elements, sensory perceptive feedback elements can not and have not ever been developed by any evolutionary methods in human experience and all attempts to do so have been abject failures.

No, there was nothing about auto assembly plants or Saturn rockets there. So your original assertion still remains refuted. And just so you know, more and more of the circuitry being made today is being developed via the evolutionary algorithm. It appears a computer that mimics what nature does is able to come up with better solutions faster than human designers. So even if your current examples lack any circuitry designed via the EA (which I doubt), it is a safe bet that the majority of them will have it in the future.

Corresponding with evolanders is like reading the script from a Bevis and Butthead cartoon.

So which one are you Beavis or …? Oh, never mind I know which one you are.

There are clinics that deal with brainwashing and I can refer your team to several.

Apparently they didn’t work out so well for you.

Why do people respond to Keith? Why hasn’t he been moved someplace more appropriate, i.e. the bathroom wall? He’s not even an entertaining speling be fayling trol.

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