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I’m impressed. A real example of someone who has been expelled - Chris Comer interviewed on video, and a person-by person and point-by-point rebuttal. You folks have been busy, expect to receive my “Truth Ticket” soon.

Could use a picture of Ben Stein spraypainting the Gott Mit Uns belt buckle, though.

You folks are ready!

It seems my Firefox blocks those sponsored links. Could you supply a better hint here, please?

Too bad Google Adsense doesn’t have it as a referral link. I’d put it up on my site for free…

IM,

Oh, I think the producers Godwinned themselves sufficiently already! ;-)

Looks good! Thanks, NCSE! My colleagues will appreciate this …

The current EXPELLED header reads;

‘Questions have been raised about the origination of some of the animation used in our movie EXPELLED: No Intelligence Allowed.

Claims that we have used any animation in an unauthorized manner are simply false. Premise Media created the animation that illustrates cellular activity used in our film. - The Producers of “EXPELLED: No Intelligence Allowed”

But their stone tablet hard drive contains this text

‘Questions have been raised about the origination of some of the arm hair simulation used in the hostile takeover of Jacob’s alledged brother Esau’s birthright.

Claims that Jacob used any vocal distortion or kidskin in an unauthorized manner are simply false. Pentateuch Media created the alleged hairiness by cloning goatstem cells, and since “Thou Shalt Not Steal’ won’t enter written law for threescore generations, tell your Harvard lawyers to soak their heads in the washpot of Moab.

-The Producers of “THE BOOK OF EXPELLUS: No Ethics Allowed”

http://adamant.typepad.com/seitz/20[…]aux-tra.html

Superb, just superb. Well done to you chaps for all the work put into this.

Excellent analysis.

And yet this “Expelled” movie is slated to open in many theaters. Yes, it might flop, and we certainly hope it will. Someone needs to follow the money trail, i.e., who’s bankrolling this whole affair, kinda like the terrorist money trail (which it is). It can’t be cheap. Is it Robertson, Dobson, Focus on the Family, Christe Minsitries, ..? Or could it even be, conspiratorially speaking, … a warped under-the-table “faith-based” initiative supported by tax dollars? Someone’s forking over bucks on this thing.

Also, is the media afraid to touch the subject? Religion, after all, is a hands-off affair. Oh, but this isn’t about religion, is it say the ID supporters.

A smaller paper in Seattle did a great expose on the DI and I need to find the article. The DI was fuming because they published the “wedge” document.

As usual the truth is the exact opposite. The creos have been firing, beating up, attempting to fire, and killing scientists and science supporters for a while now. They are way ahead on body counts.

Posting the list of who is really being beaten up, threatened, fired, attempted to be fired, and killed. Not surprisingly, it is scientists and science supporters by Death Cultists.

I’ve discovered that this list really bothers fundies. Truth to them is like a cross to a vampire.

There is a serious reign of terror by Xian fundie terrorists directed against the reality based academic community, specifically acceptors of evolution. I’m keeping a running informal tally, listed below. They include death threats, firings, attempted firings, assaults, and general persecution directed against at least 11 people. The Expelled Liars have totally ignored the ugly truth of just who is persecuting who.

If anyone has more info add it. Also feel free to borrow or steal the list.

I thought I’d post all the firings of professors and state officials for teaching or accepting evolution.

2 professors fired, Bitterman (SW CC Iowa) and Bolyanatz (Wheaton)

1 persecuted unmercifully Richard Colling (Olivet)

1 attempted firing Murphy (Fuller Theological by Phillip Johnson IDist)

1 successful death threats, assaults harrasment Gwen Pearson (UT Permian)

1 state official fired Chris Comer (Texas)

1 assault, fired from dept. Chair Paul Mirecki (U. of Kansas)

1 killed, Rudi Boa, Biomedical Student (Scotland)

Death Threats Eric Pianka UT Austin and the Texas Academy of Science engineered by a hostile, bizarre IDist named Bill Dembski

Death Threats Michael Korn, fugitive from justice, towards the UC Boulder biology department and miscellaneous evolutionary biologists.

Death Threats Judge Jones Dover trial. He was under federal marshall protection for a while

Up to 11 with little effort. Probably there are more. I turned up a new one with a simple internet search. Haven’t even gotten to the secondary science school teachers.

And the Liars of Expelled have the nerve to scream persecution. On body counts the creos are way ahead.

Hahahah I loved this bit under Michael Egnor section, made me laugh at loud at work:

The Claim

Michael Egnor says in Expelled that he expected criticism, but was shocked by the “viciousness” and “baseness” of the response.

The Facts

Michael Egnor had apparently never been on the Internet before.

Someone with the power should link the word “Expelled” in the Panda’s Post on Expelled to ExpelledExposed to boost its Google-rank. (cf. #157 & #158 over at Pharyngula.)

Great!! Now imagine the same amount of frenetic energy and concern being applied to people in our society who approve of, and engage in, torture.

Offhand that’s the most obvious proof that humans have evolved that I can think of. We can harp and yak about evolving all we want, but if we’re forced back into the dark ages under whip and gun, by people with creative juices aimed towards junk like Expelled, then it’s gonna be very bleak for all of us.….

Whether we continue to lose our vestigial organs or not.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy[…]opinionsbox1

Enjoy.

I’m loving it.

About the “Hitler & Eugenics” section, in particular something in this excerpt:

The Nazis appropriated language and concepts from evolution as well as from genetics, medicine (especially the germ theory of disease), and anthropology as propaganda tools to promote their perverted ideology of “racial purity.”

I am not sure that they appropriated language and concepts from evolution.

Especially, I would find it hard to believe that they took any interest in language or concepts from “macro”evolution, whether we define “macroevolution” as scientists do, or just use it informally as “those parts of evolution that creationists don’t like”.

I’ve seen some indications that they were either indifferent to, ignorant of, or opposed to language and concepts such as common ancestry, natural (as distinct from artificial) selection, and the denial of value-oriented descriptions of nature (such as “higher”).

But I may be mistaken, so I would appreciate hearing from knowledgeable people.

Interesting history from the Wikipedia site (eugenics):

“Eugenics was supported by Woodrow Wilson, and, in 1907, helped to make Indiana the first of more than thirty states to adopt legislation aimed at compulsory sterilization of certain individuals.[30]”

{NOTE: J. Frank Hanly January 9, 1905 January 11, 1909, was the Republican Governor at the time!! Does the DI tout that fact in their books?? Looks like both Reps & Dems supported eugenics}

“Although the law was overturned by the Indiana Supreme Court in 1921,[31] the U.S. Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of a Virginia law allowing for the compulsory sterilization of patients of state mental institutions in 1927.[32]

Beginning with Connecticut in 1896, many states enacted marriage laws with eugenic criteria, prohibiting anyone who was “epileptic, imbecile or feeble-minded” from marrying.”

Just poked around a bit on the NCSE site. The Expelled Goebbelites really had to stretch to find even a few cases of might have been but wasn’t persecution.

Marks had his pseudoscience website pulled because Baylor had some questions about his linking his views to Baylor. Big Deal.

Winnock writes a bunch of pro ID articles. Nothing happens to her. What was the point of this?

Crocker is clearly totally incompetent and they pointed that out. Her Archaeoptyryx and Hippus slides would have got her flunked in a freshman class.

As I posted above, creo persecution of science has been much more common and serious.

The Expelleds spent millions of dollars on a propaganda film with no basis in fact. Just a bunch of lies strung together.

The NCSE site is restrained, low key, and scholarly. That is OK, plenty of other sites will be unrestrained, energetic, and blunt.

Given the extent of Egnor’s “persecution”, they probably should have titled the movie “Expelled, or at least very emotionally distraught”.

It can’t be cheap. Is it Robertson, Dobson, Focus on the Family, Christe Minsitries, ..?

I would suggest asking this guy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Ahmanson,_Jr.

he’s bankrolled a lot of this kind of stuff, and has been connected with the Disinformation Institute previously.

The uncommon folks, of course, don’t like it, though of course have nothing substantive to say against any of its arguments.

And yet somehow that content-free UD blog post instantly jumped to the top google rankings for expelled, above resources that actually do discuss the film, for real. Bwaaaa?

And yet somehow that content-free UD blog post instantly jumped to the top google rankings for expelled, above resources that actually do discuss the film, for real. Bwaaaa?

interesting.

considering the amount of traffic UD actually gets (it’s quite small), I smell something fishy.

I wonder if this traces back to threats made against Google by Davescott after Google “mistakenly” de-listed UD for what appeared to be link spamming?

first, Davescott blamed Wes, then he blamed Google…

I wonder if they got Luskin or Johnson to write a nasty letter?

This is great! I have already forwarded the website to all my science colleagues, as well as those teachers in the social studies department (since “Expelled” butchers the Holocaust as well).

I’ll also be passing along the link to many other email lists of which I’m a member. I suggest everyone here do the same.

Good work NCSE and PT. Keep it up.

Why is Egnor on the list of the “expelled”? How does being criticized for making demonstrably erroneous arguments constitute being “expelled” from anything? Exactly what is he supposed to have been expelled from? Who did the expelling? Ddd he not get his MD degree? Has he been fired from his job? Has he had a drastic reduction in his patient load? If so, who is to blame for that?

Man, what a bunch of lying whining ninnies. It seems that they are emotionally incapable of telling the truth, even if it would somehow make them look good. If these are the best examples they have of “persecution” it’s no wonder they played the Hitler card. They don’t actually have even one example of anyone being expelled from anything.

They could have mentioned the California case where students from religious schools were denied entrance due to lack of qualifications. Now that is an example of being excluded at least, if not actually expelled. Of course, if the facts of that case become more widely known, it could have a very chilling effect on religious schooling in this country. But when they lose again, I guess that is going to happen anyway.

Raven’s list is much better than this nonsense. Let’s make a movie. We’ll call it EXPUNGED: No intelligence allowed to exist, anywhere.

Someone needs to follow the money trail, i.e., who’s bankrolling this whole affair, kinda like the terrorist money trail (which it is). It can’t be cheap.

Seeing ads for Expelled all over the internet, google, yahoo etc.. Hearing reports of heavy advertising on TV and radio.

1. There is indeed big money behind Expelled. Probably Xian Dominionist money.

2. I don’t have a feel for internet and TV/radio advertising costs. So any number I pull out of thin air is likely to be a pure guess. My pure guess is that they are spending millions on advertising, more than they did on the film, which is cheaply and poorly made.

Obviously, they are more interested in propaganda values than in making a profit.

3. Not even going to see it for free on Trinity Broadcasting network. The message:

Science=evolution=atheism=mass murder There, saved you 2 hours and 10 bucks.

Why is Egnor on the list of the “expelled”?

No one knows. Why is Winnick on the list? Why is Marks on the list? Could be they were absolutely desperate for cases to puff up their BS claims.

1. His feelings are easily hurt.

2. Apparently he thinks anyone who calls him an idiot for being an idiot who advocates the overthrow of the USA, setting up a theocracy, and heading back to the dark ages is.…persecuting him.

David Stanton: They could have mentioned the California case where students from religious schools were denied entrance due to lack of qualifications.

And emphasize the reason for the students’ lack of qualifications was that they were forced to use “biology” “textbooks” from Bob Jones “University” which were ignorantly and blatantly anti-science / pro-religion.

I’m happily blogging wherever I can saying something like Yes, “biologists” who deny evolution and support intelligent design creationism ARE expelled, just as “astronomers” who deny heliocentrism and support geocentrism are expelled; just as “mathematicians” who support 2+2=3 are expelled; just as “geologists” who support a 6,000-year-old earth and a 4,000-year-old Grand Canyon are expelled; etc.

The stupidity of evolanders outside a half dozen narrow fields of science is so amazing it is tantamont to a continuous Three Stooges movie being played out in real time.

It’s all so perfect…I am laughing so hard tears are rolling down my cheeks.

The irony meter remain pegged and the curcuits are smoking as I review the last 120 days of evolander posts and actions taken by the advocates of the big science power machine.

1) Belittle anyone and everone having anything to do with the ID movement as some form of right wing nutcase, pseudoscience moron, politically motivated hack, literal creationist YEC, or incompetent scientist.

2) Flood the internet with attack posts.

3) Accuse the developers, writers, and actors associated with the movie of deceit, incompetence, dishonesty, unfair practices, and illegality.

4) Call in all the attack dogs, liberal media types, and official evolander organizations and leaders to write, speak, and at every opportunity criticize and excoriate the movie itself.

4) Seek to limit access to the movie by fraudulent attempts to force an NC-17 rating.

5) Attempt to use the legal system to limit access and unduly burden the Expelled officials with response to legal threrats…totally unfounded in law.

6) romote unethical proposals to disrupt screenings and release viewing via phony tickets, disturbances, and picketing.

This activity list clearly illustrates precisely what the movie is about, the extreme and nazi-like power tactics by a coordinated element of science attempting to foist one view of life science on all Americans, prevent free speech in science and public debate, refuse academic freedom to both practioners and students of science who do not follow the darwin party line.

“For ’tis the sport to have the engineer Hoist with his own petard: an’t shall go hard But I will delve one yard below their mines, And blow them at the moon. O, ’tis most sweet, When in one line two crafts directly meet.” Shakespeare

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KL:

keith:

1) Belittle anyone and everone having anything to do with the ID movement as some form of right wing nutcase, pseudoscience moron, politically motivated hack, literal creationist YEC, or incompetent scientist.

Well, anyone and everyone having anything to do with the ID movement IS some form of right wing nutcase, pseudoscience moron, etc etc etc. So, what’s your point here?

The point is that Keith is a slavering lunatic whose fondest wish is to see “evolanders” hunted down with dogs on the premier of “Expelled”

Keith,

Do you actually agree with everything in the movie, or are you just blowing smoke hoping no one will see what a terrible lie it is? If you don’t like someone’s response to the movie, how about documenting where they are wrong instead of just insulting them because they don’t agree with you. Oh wait, those were the same tactics used in the movie.

Oh, by the way, if you think that making insulting comments on a science internet blog can be equated with being a Nazi, then you have the same mental deficiencies displayed by those making the movie. So perhaps you can tell us what Egnor was expelled from.

Just to be clear, I want everyone to go and see this movie, no censorship here. People can form their own opinions about the content. I just don’t want them to have to pay to see a worthless piece of crap without being warned first.

@ keith - Hahahahahahaahahahahahahaha!! LoL! Go and boil your bottom, you son of a silly person.

Mark Witt:

Mathematically, the Du Gerdemain manifolds have unfortunately failed to provide the insight into reality that was needed to disprove evolution, but God will eventually guide me to the RIGHT theory and show to me how to find the CORRECT data. In no way will HE allow the HUMAN SLAG of the DECEIVER’s blogs to influence my research.

REMEMBER the TRUTH in this FILM! It will be the only thing that SAVES you.

Mark Witt

Intelligent Design, Institute of Theory New Haven, CT

He’s an almost perfect parody, but those two paragraphs tipped his hand.

Artfulskeptic said:

Seriously, you are a parody, right? With Creandertrolls it’s so hard to tell.

Poe’s Law.

No thanks, Dave I never let intellectually and otherwise inferior types dictate my choices.

I just watched an extended interview with Ben Stein, including several clips, etc.

Are you wireheads familiar with the term “dead meat”?

I mean when a few million people see this film you people will see what happens when elitist, pseudointellectual geeks attempt to take over science, speech, inquiry, and foist their atheistic materialism onto society, especially students. genie, pwee wee, doggins and groupies …it won’t be pretty.

You might want to buy some jeans and tennies and stow those peasant dresses, rope sandals, and roach clips…maybe toss your pocket protectors and sling bags also.

Al last science back to actual open inquiry and challenge.

Or we could just start thowing bags of peanuts on the ground and watch you squirrels bang each others brains out.

keith:

No thanks, Dave I never let intellectually and otherwise inferior types dictate my choices.

Thanks for confirming my suspicions. You are A MORAL COWARD .

Expelled will just be ignored except by the ID “choir”. XVIVO will sue, and since the PM is playing chicken, they will get wacked in court. This ID verion of Army/McCarthy will end up on the laugh track of the wider world.

dpr

I am unfamiliar with unintelligent design as a valid explanation for how all the progress in science and technology, art, music, philosophy, literature and all human activity in general has progressed in the last 5,000 years.

Can you lay out how unintelligent design works as a construct, a set of principles, a discipline, its methods and some peer reviewed papers on how unintelligent design should be employed in all scientific activities.

Is there a history of science text illustrating how unintelligent design has yielded the lion’s share of achievement in science?

Or maybe there is another hypothesis, but it seems either intelligent design is the rule or unintelligent design is the rule.…if not, what is the third alternative to achievement in human endeavors.

Excellent impression of the ‘ID Argument’ which of course is not really what ID is all about but let’s for the moment forgive this lapse reality.

Hint: Evolutionary theory is not argued to be an explanation for progress in science, art, music etc.

Excellent impression though.

keith:

I am unfamiliar with unintelligent design as a valid explanation for how all the progress in science and technology, art, music, philosophy, literature and all human activity in general has progressed in the last 5,000 years.

Can you lay out how unintelligent design works as a construct, a set of principles, a discipline, its methods and some peer reviewed papers on how unintelligent design should be employed in all scientific activities.

Is there a history of science text illustrating how unintelligent design has yielded the lion’s share of achievement in science?

Or maybe there is another hypothesis, but it seems either intelligent design is the rule or unintelligent design is the rule.…if not, what is the third alternative to achievement in human endeavors.

I think Mark Witt is just that, a reMARKably WITTy parodist. WW is a paranoid kook with an overgrown ego, but at least he is relatively polite. Keith is worthy of nothing more than a big yawn, to call him a wit would be far less than half right.

Marilyn:

I think Mark Witt is just that, a reMARKably WITTy parodist. WW is a paranoid kook with an overgrown ego, but at least he is relatively polite. Keith is worthy of nothing more than a big yawn, to call him a wit would be far less than half right.

IMHO, your assessments are correct. Keith appears to be just a bit shorted and not sufficiently grounded. Yet. Let’s isolate him. Give him the rubber boot.

FWIW the Intelligent Design, Institute of Theory part denies “perfect” parody. But it’s good.

Evolutionary theory is not argued to be an explanation for progress

Besides, the troll confuses non-teleology with non-intelligence. We have repeatedly explained how the genome learns about the environment through (dumb) trial-and-error, or how Dembski’s definition of intelligence as “choice” makes evolution (or any sieve actually) “intelligent”.

Next, hear the troll claim that selection is a “random” process. Yawn.

Wow, the trolls are back. Let them starve, I say…

raven: PS Premise media just filed suit against XVIVO in Texas federal court. Odd, doesn’t look like the right jurisdiction for a federal case as XVIVO is based in Connecticut.

Wow, that is ballsy. What exactly are they filing for - I mean beyond an attempt to intimidate XVIVO into backing down? And how much do you want to bet they’re doing it in Texas because they think that’s the only place they can win?

I mean when a few million people see this film you people will see what happens when elitist, pseudointellectual geeks…blah blah blah

Does everyone else sense the desperation and panic in this?

Like the little kid who kept getting called on his made-up stories about his dad yelling “I’ll show you!”

Reminds me of the “Secret ID research/weapon” that was supposed to be underway somewhere. Where is that research now? Anyone? Anyone? Bueler?

fnxtr:

Reminds me of the “Secret ID research/weapon” that was supposed to be underway somewhere. Where is that research now? Anyone? Anyone? Bueler?

I thought the “Secret ID research/weapon” was Sal’s fart video.

My Wife The Journalist states:

Why can’t these people be expelled along with their movie?

…and forwards yet another press releas that she received at work:

From: News Issues and Guests Division

Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 10:34 AM

To: [elided]

Subject: EXPELLED: No Intelligence Allowed Producers File Lawsuit and Expose Efforts to Suppress Free Speech

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

April 15, 2008

Contact: Megan Erhardt (ext.136 ) or Mary Beth Hutchins (ext.105 ) at 703.683.5004

EXPELLED: No Intelligence Allowed Producers File Lawsuit and Expose Efforts to Suppress Free Speech

Movie to Open in over 1,000 theaters This Friday

Premise Media is ready to challenge the unfounded copyright infringement claims asserted recently by representatives of XVIVO, LLC concerning original animation Premise Media created for the documentary, EXPELLED: No Intelligence Allowed.

On April 14, 2008, Premise Media filed a lawsuit in the United States District Court for the Northern District of Texas seeking declaratory judgment that there is no copyright or other infringement. Premise Media also seeks its attorneys? fees in responding to the XVIVO claims.

The suit results from unfounded claims recently made by representatives of XVIVO. These claims have received wide distribution as part of an ongoing campaign attempting to discredit the film and its producers.

Premise Media has also learned of grass root efforts that are underway to try to influence the ranking of internet searches regarding Expelled by those wanting to learn about the film. Their stated goal is an attempt to counter-site those searchers to other websites that criticize the themes in the movie.

?We are not surprised that opponents of our film are attempting to interfere with its important message. As the movie documents, similar tactics are being used across the country against many of the researchers, scientists, and professors who want to engage in free debate within science but have inadequate resources to challenge the Establishment. However, we do have the platform to confront the ?thought police,? and we will work tirelessly to open the doors of free speech and inquiry,? said Executive Producer and Premise Chairman Logan Craft.

Executive Producer Walt Ruloff noted that, ?EXPELLED: No Intelligence Allowed opens in over 1,000 theaters nationwide this Friday, April 18th. It is interesting that these efforts are made less than ten days before the movie debuts and involve those who continually seek to thwart open debate. While bullying tactics may work against some individuals who are trying to explore the origins of life, it will not work against us. We certainly will not allow a small group of self-appointed gatekeepers to infringe our rights of free speech and our obligation to expose them for what they are ? namely, intellectual thugs unwilling to accept any dissent from Darwinian orthodoxy.?

Ben Stein, the star of the movie, also makes it clear that no one will shut him up. ?I came to this project unsure what I would find. I am now amazed at the intolerance of many academic elites. I feel that it is my mission to speak out on behalf of targeted dissenters and fight for their freedom of speech and freedom of inquiry.?

For more information or to arrange an interview with a producer of the film EXPELLED, No Intelligence Allowed, please contact Megan Erhardt (ext. 136) or Mary Beth Hutchins (ext. 105) at 703.683.5004.

If you would rather not receive future email messages from Angel Pictures News Issues and Guests Division, let us know by clicking here. Angel Pictures News Issues and Guests Division, * *, *, DC 20006 United States

I noticed that our favorite creationists have not addressed the actual data of the subject of this thread, namely who was expelled.

Not surprising, actually, since creationists never address the data rather spend their time dwelling on speculative narratives.

So, Willie and Keith, tell us all about the trials and tribulations of Mr. Sternberg. We’re all ears.

Just a point of note folks. If you’re looking to link on a blog in order to get the NCSE Expelled Exposed website a higher Google ranking, you should heed this advice…

http://forums.randi.org/showpost.ph[…]postcount=10

Bottom Line:

Do not use “Expelled Exposed” as your anchor text! (The anchor text is the visible text in a link). We need to get it moved higher in the Google rankings for when people search for the the movie. That means searches that have “expelled” in them but not “exposed”.

So, for example, like this: Expelled :)

Back to your regularly scheduled thread…

What happened to the “Open Parachute” thread?

The evos here have once again managed to nonanswer another challenge. How far down do I have to dumb my propositions to get an answer that would rise above a Charlie McCarthy quote.

Thank goodness April 18th is near at hand so America can began the intellectual revolution necessary to expell the BS of evolution writ large from its position in science.

Most evenings I have a few moments of reflection trying to convince myself that the dookey birds on this and other evo forums actually have nothing to do with real science education.

Ben Stein will receive the Presidential Medal of Freedom and pee wee myers the Phillip Nolan award.

Unintelligent design.. the method of thought espoused by evolanders.

Nuff Keith, your civil discourse is killing me…

keith:

The evos here have once again managed to nonanswer another challenge. How far down do I have to dumb my propositions to get an answer that would rise above a Charlie McCarthy quote.

Thank goodness April 18th is near at hand so America can began the intellectual revolution necessary to expell the BS of evolution writ large from its position in science.

Most evenings I have a few moments of reflection trying to convince myself that the dookey birds on this and other evo forums actually have nothing to do with real science education.

Ben Stein will receive the Presidential Medal of Freedom and pee wee myers the Phillip Nolan award.

Unintelligent design.. the method of thought espoused by evolanders.

Doc Bill

I trust even the evo ship of fools can read an official investigative document and grasp the facts…then again maybe not.

http://www.rsternberg.net/OSC_ltr.htm

Can I loan you the $8 to go to the movie and get an education?

keith held forth:

Doc Bill

I trust even the evo ship of fools can read an official investigative document and grasp the facts…then again maybe not.

http://www.rsternberg.net/OSC_ltr.htm

Can I loan you the $8 to go to the movie and get an education?

OH golly gee Keith, you got us now!!! An official letter! And how nice of Dr. von Sternberg to put it up on his very own web site!! You just know that it’s has to be on the up and up when it’s on the WWW.

I am having trouble fully believing that letter, as it seems to follow von Sternberg’s line perfectly, and that really doesn’t happen in the real world.

But none can say that poor Richard wasn’t badly handled! After all:

1. He was booted out of the editorship of PBSW. Oh wait; he’d already resigned well before the offending article went out.

2. He was evicted from his Smithsonian office. Oh wait; his office and the offices of 16 others were rearranged and he was given the office space he requested.

3. The Smithsonian forced him to give up his key. Oh wait; EVERYONE had to give up their keys at the end of 2004 for identification badges.

4. He no longer has his RA with the Smithsonian. Oh wait; he was renewed for another term in 2006.

5. He was fired from the NIH. Oh wait; he still works for the NIH.

So, what do we have left? If the OSC letter is to be believed, the investigating attorney had a few emails from collegues discussing what to do about him, if anything. I can see where he would consider those as personal attacks, yet the only concrete complaints, his long overdue books and irregularities with specimens seem reasonable concerns.

One has to conclude that he has suffered no harm, aside from hurt feelings.

dpr

In fact you can read the official majority party document AND the appendix which contains the actual emails on which the document relies. Ironically the investigation does not seem to be much correlated to the actual emails as it makes clearly erroneous assertions. But that of course requires one to have actually read the full report and not the “Cliff Notes”. Thanks for pointing this out Keith. Your comments as usually serve a useful educational purpose.

keith:

Doc Bill

I trust even the evo ship of fools can read an official investigative document and grasp the facts…then again maybe not.

http://www.rsternberg.net/OSC_ltr.htm

Can I loan you the $8 to go to the movie and get an education?

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