Flunked, Not Expelled: Ben Stein Contradicts Mark Mathis

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expelled movie exposedWesley Elsberry shows how Ben Stein and Mark Mathis contradict each other about when the movie ‘Expelled’ changed its title. This is important because critics of ID were interviewed for a different movie with a different theme, and yet it seems that the producers already knew that the movie was going to be about a very different theme. This would strengthen the claims by ID critics that they were misled.

Wesley Elsberry Wrote:

Remember how Mark Mathis, producer of “Expelled”, kept going on about how the “Crossroads”/Rampant Films thing was what they had in mind while interviewing Richard Dawkins, PZ Myers, Eugenie Scott, and others, then they decided to chuck all that and go with the “Expelled” concept? It seems that Mathis should have had a session with Ben Stein so that they could make their stories match. Stein was interviewed by the New York Sun and by the WORLD magazine, and there are several interesting things about the content of his responses.

Read the rest at The Austringer

Read all about how Expelled ‘Flunked’ at ExpelledExposed.com

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Ben Stein? After the Watergate scandal I certainly would not take an X Richard Nixon speech writer seriously. How can one be certain he doesn’t have some kind of political agenda like he did when he was speech writer for the Nixon administration by throwing out a “red herring” issue like this? Due to his prior dealings I would certainly be a lot more skeptical of him than mere blind faith or devotion without exploring all the aspects of science, including evolution theory…(which they propose we should just toss out.) If the biblical account given in the book of Genesis is a completely accurate account of both creation and history, it would not only have to explain why dinosaurs becameextinct but, also why geographically isolated species such as the polar bear did not die in the flood. For that to happen, the Polar Bears would have to be strong enough to swim across the Atlantic Ocean 3000 miles from the North Pole to the Mesopotamian Basin to reach Noah’s ark. To assume they could swim such distances much less stay afloat during a 40 day flood goes against all logical sensibility, especially when we know polar bears die from drowning deaths because the arctic ice upon which they habitat is currently melting due to global warming. Polar Bears would have died during the “Great Flood” just as surely as the dinosaurs would have yet, there are no fossils records which support a massive polar die off which scientists could then use to carbon date. If the Polar Bears really were indeed direct descendants of the bears which came from Noah’s Ark, their change in fur color makes one point glaringly obvious, it changed because of evolution. However, these observations make me skeptical that a literal account of “Great Flood” really happened. If the account of Noah’s ark given in the bible is inconsistent with scientific observation, common sense, or reality, what’s to say the account of creation given in the same book of the Old Testament is also inaccurate, inconsistent, or contradictory? ID theorists treat their assumptions as if they were completely infallible yet, if we are to have a balanced unbiased discussion of all creation theories involved (including evolution theory), why are ID theorists unwilling to discuss weaknesses in their hypothesis? No Intelligence Allowed lives up to it’s moniker. ID theorists are allowed to discuss Intelligent Design Theory yet, they refuse to concede any weaknesses in their theory. When I visited the official “Expelled” website to elaborate my scientific skepticism based on this discussion, my blog was conveniently moderated and quickly deleted. Talk about “No Intelligence Allowed” an honest, unbiased discussion of competing theories were not allowed at their website. What will Ben Stein think of next? The effort to quell any educated discussion on behalf of the “Expelled” promoters seems more like one sided, right wing, fundamentalist propaganda promoted by close minded individuals who are unwilling to openly discuss all the associated issues. Now Avian Transport Theory? How much more fanatical, magical thinking like this can people base their assumptions on without shred of evidence to back it up? Fundamentalist theories that claim “The Stork” is responsible for conception under the name of “Avian Transport Theory?” Come on, this is getting ridiculous already.

P.S. Even some conservative Christians think you have gone off the deep end Mr. Stein so, you can’t make the absurd claim that only liberals believe in evolution theory or that everyone who believes in evolution is a liberal. That assumption is just inconsistent with social reality.

Ben Stein? After the Watergate scandal I certainly would not take an X Richard Nixon speech writer seriously. How can one be certain he doesn’t have some kind of political agenda like he did when he was speech writer for the Nixon administration by throwing out a “red herring” issue like this? Due to his prior dealings I would certainly be a lot more skeptical of him than mere blind faith or devotion without exploring all the aspects of science, including evolution theory…(which they propose we should just toss out.) If the biblical account given in the book of Genesis is a completely accurate account of both creation and history, it would not only have to explain why dinosaurs became extinct but, also why geographically isolated species such as the polar bear did not die in the flood. For that to happen, the Polar Bears would have to be strong enough to swim across the Atlantic Ocean 3000 miles from the North Pole to the Mesopotamian Basin to reach Noah’s ark. To assume they could swim such distances much less stay afloat during a 40 day flood goes against all logical sensibility, especially when we know polar bears die from drowning deaths because the arctic ice upon which they habitat is currently melting due to global warming. Polar Bears would have died during the “Great Flood” just as surely as the dinosaurs would have yet, there are no fossils records which support a massive polar die off which scientists could then use to carbon date. If the Polar Bears really were indeed direct descendants of the bears which came from Noah’s Ark, their change in fur color makes one point glaringly obvious, it changed because of evolution. However, these observations make me skeptical that a literal account of “Great Flood” really happened. If the account of Noah’s ark given in the bible is inconsistent with scientific observation, common sense, or reality, what’s to say the account of creation given in the same book of the Old Testament is also inaccurate, inconsistent, or contradictory? ID theorists treat their assumptions as if they were completely infallible yet, if we are to have a balanced unbiased discussion of all creation theories involved (including evolution theory), why are ID theorists unwilling to discuss weaknesses in their hypothesis? No Intelligence Allowed lives up to it’s moniker. ID theorists are allowed to discuss Intelligent Design Theory yet, they refuse to concede any weaknesses in their theory. When I visited the official “Expelled” website to elaborate my scientific skepticism based on this discussion, my blog was conveniently moderated and quickly deleted. Talk about “No Intelligence Allowed” an honest, unbiased discussion of competing theories were not allowed at their website. What will Ben Stein think of next? The effort to quell any educated discussion on behalf of the “Expelled” promoters seems more like one sided, right wing, fundamentalist propaganda promoted by close minded individuals who are unwilling to openly discuss all the associated issues. Now Avian Transport Theory? How much more fanatical, magical thinking like this can people base their assumptions on without shred of evidence to back it up? Fundamentalist theories that claim “The Stork” is responsible for conception under the name of “Avian Transport Theory?” Come on, this getting ridiculous already.

P.S. Even some conservative Christians think you have gone off the deep end Mr. Stein so, you can’t make the absurd claim that only liberals believe in evolution theory or that everyone who believes in evolution is a liberal. That assumption is just inconsistent with social reality.

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