Truth Tickets

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banner.jpg Alonzo Fyfe at “Atheist Ethicist” challenges his readers to buy a Truth Ticket to offset anyone contributing to the dumbing down of America by buying an “Expelled” ticket.

Send the equivalent value of a ticket (say $10) to the NCSE using the NCSE Donation Page

James Lippard is blogging this interesting development.

What irony that “Expelled” helps funding the NCSE which is doing great work exposing “Expelled” as being ‘flunked’.

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In a post titled “truth tickets”, PvM links the NCSE to atheism. Good job PvM! Meanwhile, over at Paul Myers’ pharyngula, they are blogging on the same nonsense, where a PZ fan wrote: Since there is plenty of stupidity and insanity in... Read More

In lieu of the upcoming release Expelled, Athiest Ethicist has conjured up what I deem to be a brilliant action, something he’s calling “stupid offsets”. His idea is such, that when you realize a certain action of your’s might ... Read More

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If you can’t afford a Truth Ticket, a Fact Cheque will do.

Coral Ridge used the Argumentium ad Hitlerium first in their landmark Darwindidit From Darwin to Hitler and Expelled just cloned it. Apparently the Jews weren’t too happy about the Blame Darwin lie. It will be interesting to see if they speak up this time around.

They should. The Expelled liars are just using an atrocity to further their own ends. Which is to bring about another and potentially much larger atrocity.

It also looks like they PZed/Dawkinsed Francis Collins.

ADL Blasts Christian Supremacist TV Special & Book Blaming Darwin For Hitler New York, NY, August 22, 2006 …

The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) today blasted a television documentary produced by Christian broadcaster Dr. D. James Kennedy’s Coral Ridge Ministries that attempts to link Charles Darwin’s theory of evolution to Adolf Hitler and the atrocities of the Holocaust. ADL also denounced Coral Ridge Ministries for misleading Dr. Francis Collins, the director of the National Human Genome Research Institute for the NIH, and wrongfully using him as part of its twisted documentary, “Darwin’s Deadly Legacy.”

After being contacted by the ADL about his name being used to promote Kennedy’s project, Dr. Collins said he is “absolutely appalled by what Coral Ridge Ministries is doing. I had NO knowledge that Coral Ridge Ministries was planning a TV special on Darwin and Hitler, and I find the thesis of Dr. Kennedy’s program utterly misguided and inflammatory,” he told ADL.

ADL National Director Abraham H. Foxman said in a statement:”This is an outrageous and shoddy attempt by D. James Kennedy to trivialize the horrors of the Holocaust. Hitler did not need Darwin to devise his heinous plan to exterminate the Jewish people. Trivializing the Holocaust comes from either ignorance at best or, at worst, a mendacious attempt to score political points in the culture war on the backs of six million Jewish victims and others who died at the hands of the Nazis.

“It must be remembered that D. James Kennedy is a leader among the distinct group of ‘Christian Supremacists’ who seek to “reclaim America for Christ” and turn the U.S. into a Christian nation guided by their strange notions of biblical law.”

The documentary is scheduled to air this weekend along with the publication of an accompanying book “Evolution’s Fatal Fruit: How Darwin’s Tree of Life Brought Death to Millions.”

A Coral Ridge Ministries press release promoting the documentary says the program “features 14 scholars, scientists, and authors who outline the grim consequences of Darwin’s theory of evolution and show how his theory fueled Hitler’s ovens.”

Don’t pay to see Expelled.

See it for free if you have to. This clunker will end up as free DVDs, free church basement showings, and on late night Xian Trinity Broadcasting TV soon enough.

Or possibly as a triple feature with The Rocky Horror Picture Show and From Darwin to Hitler.

Not even going to bother to see it for free. We already know that they only repeat the old lie:

Science=evolution=atheism=mass murder.

Time is worth something too.

So, the Expelled *jazz hands* crew are not only liars and frauds, but plaigarists? Damn, if you’re gonna spend this much time and money promoting falsehoods and defiling the graves of millions, at least be ORIGINAL about it!

I’ve read of some people notifying the ADL of this steaming pile of creationist lies. No word yet on a response.

The Dishonesty Institute is packed with Christianist theocrats. Wonder what they’d do to the Jews if they ever got their way?

raven:

Coral Ridge used the Argumentium ad Hitlerium first in their landmark Darwindidit From Darwin to Hitler and Expelled just cloned it. Apparently the Jews weren’t too happy about the Blame Darwin lie. It will be interesting to see if they speak up this time around.

They should. The Expelled liars are just using an atrocity to further their own ends. Which is to bring about another and potentially much larger atrocity.

It also looks like they PZed/Dawkinsed Francis Collins.

Linking atheism to the NCSE is counter-productive for the simple reason that its untrue and misleading. Wasn’t PvM’s intention, but I’m sure other’s promote it. I’d be surprised if NCSE appreciated the linkage.

Mike,

We have creo posters over at Amazon.com, such as the notorious “Bent” Brent Mortimer, who think that NCSE is an Atheist organization. As a loyal NCSE member, I know that isn’t true at all. However, on the other hand, I think it is quite appropriate to acknowledge organizations like the Disco Tute (Discovery Institute) and Answers in Genesis as those comprised primarily of Christian Fascists, given their past behavior (e. g. threatening “Darwinists” and disseminating gross lies, distortions and omissions of published scientific evidence contrary to their twisted, tormented views of Fundamentalist Protestant Christianity).

Regards,

John

Marc Connor:

If you can’t afford a Truth Ticket, a Fact Cheque will do.

Reality IOUs, Evidence Bonds and Rationality Futures are welcome as well. Seriously, empty that penny jar and help out.

Here is a link to the comment form at the ADL web site.

http://www.adl.org/contact_us.asp

I think a few well written messages concerning expelled would be welcomed. (limit 1000 characters).

Here is the text of my message to the ADL. Perhaps others would care to provide appropriate links and other information revealing the pertinent facts behind this sordid production.

“As I am sure you have been informed, on 18 April a vile propaganda piece named Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed, that purports to be a documentary, is scheduled to open in “1000” commercial cinemas nation wide. This egregious exploitation of the holocaust is funded by Dominionists, promoted by Premise Media, hosted by none other than Ben Stein, and if it is possible, even more mendacious and self-serving than “From Darwin to Hitler”.

Its sole intent and purpose is the furtherance of a political agenda thinly veiled by claims of advocacy for “academic freedom”. Its release is coordinated with a concerted effort nation-wide in state legislatures and local school boards to inveigle pseudoscience into public education solely to further the Dominionist’s goal of overturning the U.S. constitution and forming a theocracy.

I hope the ADL will join the majority academic community in condemning this calumny and exposing the lies and distortions that are its entire content.”

This is a good idea. I know many people who want to go see “Expelled” just to be able to jeer at the movie screen. I will encourage them to make a donation to NCSE as well.

So there’s no real rebuttal of the movie - just ad hominem attacks and pot shots?

When will you people ever learn that the vast majority of people are not “smart” enough to swallow darwinism?

Keep circling your wagons. The rest of us are laughing too hard to pose any real threat.

ID’d:

So there’s no real rebuttal of the movie - just ad hominem attacks and pot shots?

When will you people ever learn that the vast majority of people are not “smart” enough to swallow darwinism?

Keep circling your wagons. The rest of us are laughing too hard to pose any real threat.

What a bunch of meaningless crap! Got anything real to say? I’d guess not!

Mike, when I called NCSE to make my donation the guy had heard about the Truth Tickets and said “we are very pleased about it”.

ID’d:

So there’s no real rebuttal of the movie - just ad hominem attacks and pot shots?

When will you people ever learn that the vast majority of people are not “smart” enough to swallow darwinism?

Keep circling your wagons. The rest of us are laughing too hard to pose any real threat.

These people - folks who’ve reviewed the film and aren’t already members of the “Expelled” halleujia choir - have posted some rebuttal of the movie. And their criticisms are much more than simple ad hominem style attacks; these criticisms include real-life factual errors and misrepresentations on the part of Stein and others who made the movie.

Might be worth a read…

Expelled Exposed

I like the tagline: “Flunked, Not Expelled: What Ben Stein Isn’t Telling You About Intelligent Design” :)

Mike,

We have creo posters over at Amazon.com, such as the notorious “Bent” Brent Mortimer, who think that NCSE is an Atheist organization.

I wouldn’t worry about it. In the creo’s heads:

1. All scientists are atheists and understanding objective reality is a plot to prevent the coming theocracy at the end of time.

2. The Pope is the Antichrist.

3. Xianity is made up mostly of Fake Xians and is a dying religion found only in cults based mostly in the South Central USA.

4. For some of the more vocal/less coherent creos such as ID; Zyprexa, Abilify, Stellazine, and Lithium are a conspiracy between medicine, science, demons, and UFO aliens to silence those wise and perceptive voices in their heads.

Andrea Bottaro:

Reality IOUs, Evidence Bonds and Rationality Futures are welcome as well. Seriously, empty that penny jar and help out.

The creos are accepting Indulgences to help offset the violations of the ninth commandment (eigth if you’re Catholic).

MattusMaximus:

This is a good idea. I know many people who want to go see “Expelled” just to be able to jeer at the movie screen. I will encourage them to make a donation to NCSE as well.

Please tell them to buy a ticket to a different movie and then maybe “miraculously” change their minds about what movie they are going to attend.

Dang…Stacy…your suggestion beat me to it!

I’ll pay to see “10,000 BC”…I’m sure it is scientifically more accurate anyhow!

Stacy S.: Please tell them to buy a ticket to a different movie and then maybe “miraculously” change their minds about what movie they are going to attend.

That’s a good idea too. I just got done donating five tickets worth ($50) to NCSE - but I’m always up for a good movie in any case ;)

Note to creationists: I said “good” movie, which Stein’s work most certainly is NOT.

I liked this idea enough to pick the topic up on my blog as well. However, with a slightly creationist twist. er.….

here’s the link: http://pesharim.wordpress.com/2008/[…]pid-offsets/

Jonathan Brennecke = Troll

Sounds like the movie struck a nerve. How dare anyone question Darwin! Darwin is God. Not.

“There are people who believe that dinosaurs and men lived together. That they roamed the Earth at the same time. There are museums that children go to, in which they build dioramas to show them this. And what this is, purely and simply, is a clinical psychotic reaction. They are crazy. They are stone cold f*** nuts. I can’t be kind about this, because these people are watching The Flintstones as if it were a documentary.”

-Lewis Black

Brett: Sounds like the movie struck a nerve. How dare anyone question Darwin! Darwin is God. Not.

Wow, I’m certain there are plenty of religious folk on this blog who will be incensed by this straw-man argument. Many religious people have no problem with evolutionary science and their beliefs, and for trolls like Brett to simply insist that we “worship Darwin” is a very bad joke. For example, there are the fine folks over at the Clergy Letter Project…

http://www.butler.edu/clergyproject[…]_project.htm

To date there are over 11,100 clergy who have signed onto the letter stating that evolution and their religion are both perfectly compatible.

Sorry Brett and other trolls, it doesn’t look like you speak for all religious people. Too bad that in your own deluded minds you think you do.

Somehow I don’t believe he meant to speak for all religious people. That’s a very outstanding generalization.

J. brennecke lying troll:

Somehow I don’t believe he meant to speak for all religious people. That’s a very outstanding generalization.

You don’t speak for all religious people either. In fact, you speak at most for a small percentage of Xians, deranged Death Cultists based in the South Central USA.

The majority of Xians worldwide, Catholic, Mainstream Protestant, Mormon, and some Evangelicals don’t have a problem with evolution.

So trolls, some simple questions for you. I’m 0/3 with cultists, one guy answered them but was incapable of telling the truth. Not telling the truth is normal and expected for creos.

1. What is the name of your sect in general terms? We don’t want to know who you are or where you live.

2. How many Xians are Fake Xians and how many are Real Xians. My guess for the creos is around 5% Real versus Fake. 50% of Xians are Catholic, usually lumped in with satanists, atheists, and scientists.

3. Do you expect god to show up soon, kill 6.7 billion people and destroy the earth?

My answers. Mainline Protestant, we don’t do Fake versus Real, the Rapture is amusing lunacy and not scripturally supported.

I never said that I’m speaking for all religious people. I did, however, mention that that is a very large generalization.… i.e logical fallacy. Interestingly, a similar generalization is to assume that I (and apparently all other “croes”) are part of some religious cult. That simply isn’t true. I don’t “do fake versus real either” and I definitely don’t associate my beliefs with any denomination.

Jonathan: Brett is alleging that those people who accept the Theory of Evolution as a fact and as a valid explanation of the diversity of life worship Charles Darwin as a god. The people behind “Expelled!: No Intelligence Allowed” are alleging that those people who accept the Theory of Evolution as a fact and as a valid explanation of the diversity of life not only persecute proponents of Intelligent Design “theory,” and are also alleging that Adolf Hitler and Josef Stalin committed all of their atrocities as a result of the Theory of Evolution, despite the fact that evidence suggested that neither understood Biology, that neither actually supported the Theory of Evolution (especially not Stalin), and that there is no evidence of either having even so much as touched any of Charles Darwin’s books.

So, if you’re not specifically here to cause trouble, as with all the other creationist trolls who visit this site, then what is your specific business here?

Brett is alleging that those people who accept the Theory of Evolution as a fact and as a valid explanation of the diversity of life worship Charles Darwin as a god.

And to go further with what I’ve already said, Brett is also implying that because Charles Darwin is not a god, the Theory of Evolution is false.

Linking atheism to the NCSE is counter-productive for the simple reason that its untrue and misleading. Wasn’t PvM’s intention, but I’m sure other’s promote it. I’d be surprised if NCSE appreciated the linkage.

Just because the link came from an atheist website does not make the linked website an atheist website. It’s just that atheists tend to have a better grasp of science especially when it comes to evolutionary biology.

PS: I am a Christian.

So there’s no real rebuttal of the movie - just ad hominem attacks and pot shots?

On the contrary, the website by NCSE titled expelledexposed.com is going to be at the forefront of exposing the scientific vacuities of Intelligent Design. Why step down to ad homs when it is much easier and more rewarding to rebut the fallacies of the movie?

The genius Keith Eaton used the term, and I deemed it apropos. When dealing with ardent and zealous defenders of the Darwinian faith, Evolander seemed as good a term as evolutionist.

Genius Keith Eaton, well from someone who considers Ann Coulter to be a reliable source, I can understand your lack of reasoning here.

PS: Evolutionary theory is all about science so your attempt to represent it as faith and your later claim that you are all in favor of science shows a certain contradiction that is not easily resolved.

Why do you lie? My support of science is not done in the name of Christ. And I do not support ignorant or vacuous scientific concepts. I support science. Science does not suppress critical questions or pursuit of facts that might not support the status quo.

Do you intentionally confuse a criticism of science with science?

Why do you accuse me of lying when you do not even understand my argument nor motive? Such assertions of lying just undermine further the already tenuous case you have. You clearly support ignorant and vacuous scientific concepts, one has to but look at your own website. Science indeed does not suppress critical questions and neither does evolutionary science.

Poorly informed criticisms of science, like much of what is found on your website IS supporting vacuous scientific concepts. Let’s not pretend that there is much scientific in your ignorance William, I have spent quite some time educating you on many of the issues whether it be evolutionary theory, global warming, or the vacuous link between autism and thimerosal in vaccines, time after time I do not have to dig deep to uncover a foundation of ignorance, often based on secondary sources at best.

Are you ‘Billy’ who posts at BBC ?

Interesting…

William Wallace:

Peter Henderson wrote:

What billy is implying is that in order for a person to be saved he/she must ditch all conventional science (i.e. evolutionary science)

I imply no such thing. You are either deceitful or dense.

Simple really. Adam and Eve represent humanity reaching a state of becoming aware of God. As such they were no longer innocent for their sins as they had ‘tasted from the tree of knowledge’ and sin entered into the lives as now the actions of humans were not always in line with God’s guidelines and thus sinful. Adam and Eve are not to be confused with a literal creation but rather represent a spiritual creation.

Thanks PvM. That is exactly how I see it.

I imply no such thing. You are either deceitful or dense.

Well, I apologise if i have accused you in the wrong William but that was how I interpreted your comments. I’m glad you accept that one can be a Christian can and a mainstream scientist (i.e. an evolutionist) at the same time.

I had a similar conversation with the wife of a YEC friend some time ago:

I said “ I feel that Genesis is symbolic and not literal. That the death mentioned in Genesis was spiritual and not physical”

YEC friend’s wife “If you think that Genesis 1-11 is symbolic then you may very well feel that Christ’s death and resurrection is symbolic as well.”

Again, I felt that she was calling into question my salvation, or at the very least implying that I didn’t understand what salvation meant. John C. Whitcomb, co-author of “the Genesis flood” has been quoted as saying that Christians who don’t accept YECism are only “half born”

John C. Whitcomb, co-author of “the Genesis flood” has been quoted as saying that Christians who don’t accept YECism are only “half born”

Fundies in the USA often divide Xians into Fake Xians and Real Xians. The Catholics never, ever make the cut. Mainstream Protestants, Mormons and so on don’t either.

By this reckoning, Xianity (to them) is an almost dead religion reduced to a few cults based in the South Central USA. And 95% of all (Fake) Xians might as well sleep in on Sunday.

It is no big deal. After 2,000 years of sectarian infighting, only the strong sects have survived and they don’t pay much attention to one another’s theology. Except to dismiss it.

The creos can get pretty vicious about YECism. Besides firing, persecuting, and threatening and in one case killing scientists and science supporters, they can and will excommunicate anyone who doesn’t believe Adam rode a dinosaur around.

Westminster Theological Seminary just had a big battle between moderates and conservatives and fired their best known theologian, Paul Enns. Hard to say what the issues were, but the claim is Genesis was part of it. Looks like that group will either have yet another schism or maybe just a purge. Fortunately, in this day and age, neither group has access to heavy weapons, tanks, and jet fighters.

The Catholics never, ever make the cut

Same here, unfortunately Raven:

http://www.takeheed.net/

Have a look at his entry on Franklin Graham for example. Andrews would probably not accept Dr. Kenneth Miller as a born again Christian.

That’s the “Hope 2008” entry by the way.

William Wallace said:

The genius Keith Eaton used the term…

OK, now I’m sure someone’s full of shit…

Don’t wory about crm. it won’t be long before they are out of business! their long time supporters are backing away and the money is drying up…i know this for a fact!

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