Will the public ever see Expelled?

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There’s been legal action at last. XVIVO just couldn’t stand by and let their work be stolen and used for vile purpose.

Dear Mr. Craft:

This letter will constitute notice to you, as Chairman of Premise Media Corporation, of the copyright infringement by your corporation, and its subsidiary, Rampant Films, of material produced by XVIVO LLC, in which XVIVO holds a copyright.

It has come to our intention that Premise Media and Rampant Films has produced a film entitled “Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed,” which is scheduled for commercial release and distribution on April 18, 2008.

The story is already up at ERV’s and Henry’s. Regular readers know that this matter has a history. Newby’s can start with links at ERV’s. NCSE has the legal letter in beautiful pdf format.

But I want to pose this question: how many theaters, if any, will show Expelled on 18 Apr 2008? And should you aid your local theaters by explaining the matter?

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This makes me giggle like a little girl! :-)

Hmmm. The creationist camp takes a piece of material, the use and distribution of which it surely knows will create major legal problems, and in an attempt to get around this, ever-so-slightly alters the material to try and avoid said problems. Then it all backfires terribly. Now let me think.….where have I seen this happen before? Talk about slow learners.

I’m curious; isn’t there a commandment about stealing in there somewhere? Anyone? Anyone? Buehler?

Allen MacNeill:

I’m curious; isn’t there a commandment about stealing in there somewhere? Anyone? Anyone? Buehler?

Working malice and inequity against your fellow man is perfectly fine so long as you make it perfectly clear that you’re trying to harm your fellow man in the Lord’s name.

So they claim.

This legal action seems both just and necessary, but I have trouble crowing loudly about it. It’s too damn easy for this to be spun as suppression by Darwinists who are willing to resort to court rather than allow the public to hear the facts, and that’s exactly what will happen, probably at length. But, whaddya gonna do? Anyway, I doubt such a distortion will convince any significant number of people who aren’t already on the IDCists’ side.

The Expelled propaganda machine clearly could care less about the truth. So why should they care about copyrights? Or the law? Or anything for that matter except destroying the USA, setting up a theocracy, and recreating the Dark Ages.

My guess is they will just ignore Harvard and their lawyers and show it as scheduled. And hope they can seize power before the inevitable court cases, which can drag on for years.

Anyone want to bet on who will be the first to be burnt at the stake. They will be threefers, lawyers who work for Harvard to defend evolutionary biology.

RE MPW’s qualms:

It’s not harassment or suppression; it’s the owners of a legitimate copyright using their full legal rights to make an illegal (not to mention immoral) copyright infringer and plagiarist cease and desist immediately.

Stealing someone else’s intellectual property is known to most intelligent people as “theft”, and most upright citizens consider theft to be immoral, as well as criminal.

Just another sterling example of the true moral compass of the promoters of the ID political agenda.

I was wondering how long it would take for the other shoe to drop. And damn did that sucker DROP!!!

Of course, just watch Ben Stein et al start whining and moaning about how this is just all part of the “Darwinist conspiracy”

It must have been quite an effort for all involved in preparing this challenge to Premise Media to keep it under wraps until today’s announcement. My congratulations to all involved.

Excellent. Good for Premise Media for not just letting this go. This will definitely be a story to watch.

As I’ve said before, it’s no wonder scientists don’t take these people seriously. This video has been plagiarized by Stein and Dembski. And it wasn’t that long ago that the “Warda and Han” article came out.

Ridiculous

Actually this was extensively telegraphed on the blogs but Premise Media wouldn’t take a hint. At some point a copyright has to be defended.

David, it’s XVIVO that’s not letting Premise Media go.

I would say that I hope the matter isn’t deliberately used to obstruct the release of the film, beyond the dispute over copyright.

They ought to defend the rights that they have, of course, but it won’t look good to try to keep the film from being released, if good faith measures are taken by Premise and anyone else involved.

The movie will likely to continue to be a PR disaster regardless of what happens, and I wouldn’t wish to save them the embarrassment, nor to go to any great lengths to keep anyone who wishes from seeing it.

I suppose it’s even possible that Premise will try to drag this out in order to claim suppression, and to give the illusion that this is all a matter of forbidden fruits. But I doubt it, as I suspect that a number of people would like to make some money from it, or at least to recoup losses.

Anyway, though I have no reason to think it would be otherwise, let it be that resolving the issue is the point of these legal actions, and nothing else.

Glen Davidson http://tinyurl.com/2kxyc7

Stacy S. wrote

This makes me giggle like a little girl! :-)

Me too, and I’m a 67 year-old man!

nor to go to any great lengths to keep anyone who wishes from seeing it.

Well, no lengths at all to keep anyone from seeing it who desires to do so.

Glen D http://tinyurl.com/2kxyc7

Pete Dunkelberg:

David, it’s XVIVO that’s not letting Premise Media go.

Oh, yes of course. Pardon me :-)

Of all things to get confused!

Yesssss! Notice at the bottom of the XVIVO letter that Peter Irons is the attorney.

My research group has invested hundreds of hours in creating animations of cellular processes such as in the outstanding “Inner Life of the Cell” (but we’re not to their level of expertise yet!). The story-boarding, modeling, rendering and endless tweaking of specific compositions is work-intensive and it requires considerable thought and discussion about how things should be depicted. And there is a creative artistic component that my research assistants are only able to contribute because of their training in the fine arts. If someone decided to make a cheap knockoff based on one of our animations (without permission), I would do the same thing that XVIVO has now apparently done.

Largely because of the reported use of the XVIVO-like animations in Expelled (and Dembski’s modified form of the animation), we have gone back and explicitly added copyright notices at the end of our animations to give anyone thinking about appropriating our work a fair warning concerning our intention to protect our intellectual property.

Yessss! Notice that the XVIVO letter lists Peter Irons as the attorney.

Olorin:

Yessss! Notice that the XVIVO letter lists Peter Irons as the attorney.

Who is Peter Irons?

jeh, you should always include copyright notices. Although they are no longer required, including the notice can give you extra damages. Also, be sure to register the copyright within 90 days of publication—more damages.

David, Peter Irons is a long-time civil-rights activist. He has written articles against the Discovery Institute, and has aided in several efforts against them. (YCLIU in Wikipedia)

I have been wondering myself if their release numbers are an exaggeration. Expelled’s website implies that three theaters in Wichita will be showing the film. When I checked the future openings at these theaters, I could find no mention of Expelled being shown at any of them. I then went to http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1809995068/info and searched a number of cities to see where the movie might be opening. I don’t know how reliable Yahoo’s Search engine is in this area, but if accurate, Expelled may not be in even 100 theaters.

I found it opening in 9 theaters in St. Louis and one in Springfield, Mo but no other city I looked at had more than one opening. None in Chicago, Minneapolis, Philadelphia, Los Angeles or New York City. Although, I did hear from another source that it may be in one theater in New York. It will open in one theater in Dallas, Houston, Denver, Aurora Colorado, Reno and Atlanta. I gave up at this point.

If someone has any more accurate information, or a better source, I would like to see it.

Ah, but of course, Springfield, Mo., a center of baptist fundamentalism. That doesn’t surprise me. I taught at the state univ. there many years ago, but the atmosphere in the area can be quite oppressive, religiously speaking. In the public schools the creationist biology teachers used to hide their materials in their desks, perhaps they’ve become more open these days.

See Legal threats and copyright shakedowns for an alternative view of reality.

Keystone Cops!

Glen Davidson wrote:

I would say that I hope the matter isn’t deliberately used to obstruct the release of the film, beyond the dispute over copyright.

Glen,

I admire your even-handed observations.

I would say that I hope the matter isn’t deliberately used to obstruct the release of the film, beyond the dispute over copyright.

I think very few evolutionists share your hope, Glen.

Quite the opposite, honestly.

FL

RE MPW’s qualms:

It’s not harassment or suppression; it’s the owners of a legitimate copyright using their full legal rights to make an illegal (not to mention immoral) copyright infringer and plagiarist cease and desist immediately.

Whilst you’re right, I think MPW’s concerns are right too - this is going to be spun as suppression. I’m surprised DaveScot doesn’t have anything up already.

Allen MacNeill? That’s a familiar name. Oh yes, you’re allowed to post at UD. You must be a tard. :-)

Pete Dunkelberg:

Ahem. Could it be because people keep feeding them?

Winner, winner, chicken dinner.

SD

Harry Gregory: When I asked how long the film was schedule to run, he said it would depend on its success. It could be gone in a week if few people attend. He also said that he had been receiving “lots of inquiries” from teachers and churches.

Teachers?! That just makes my skin crawl…

Robert O’Brien: Nigel, leave the ambulance-chasing to Peter Irons and Pepper-Hamilton.

Sore loser. Go cry somewhere else.

MattusMaximus:

Robert O’Brien: Nigel, leave the ambulance-chasing to Peter Irons and Pepper-Hamilton.

Sore loser. Go cry somewhere else.

My good rube, I have no personal investment in Dover or Expelled, so there is no reason for me to cry.

Pete Dunkelberg:

Why are trolls fat?

In my case, it is because I eat the lunches of my ideological opponents.

Robert O’Brien:

Pete Dunkelberg:

Why are trolls fat?

In my case, it is because I eat the lunches of my ideological opponents.

And those imaginary lunches go straight to your head, which is the only thing that gets fat, as you admit to being a troll.

As to the questions, assuming Premise actually releases Expelled unaltered…

Almost no theatres are scheduled to show Expelled now. They are only hopeful that it will run in 100 theatres nationwide which is already wishful thinking. Those which are showing it seem to be in fundamentalist Christian territory and one can guess who the theatre operators showing it are. My guess is they would show it baring a court order or direct involvement. Any mainstream threatre will likely back off because any lawsuit is going to have some interesting supporters - including the major studios, guilds, etc. – which won’t wish to see theatres helping out copyright breakers. However, if XVIVO sues, they will likely ask for an immediate injunction, start the “cash clock”, inform theatre owners of the lawsuit themselves, and/or the publicity will do it for them.

I doubt that we need to let them know. Most already know (hence Premise putting up the foot-note on their web-site), will hear about it after the lawsuit is filed, or will become directly involved via injunction, etc. It might actually help XVIVOs case if they do show it in more theatres.

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