Louisiana Coalition for Science press release

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The Louisiana Coalition for Science has released a press release calling for the Senate to reject the creationist bill approved by the Louisiana House

New group stands up for sound science education in Louisiana

LA Coalition for Science decries House support for SB 733, calls for Senate to reject bill

Baton Rouge, LA, June 11, 2008 — In response to numerous attacks on science education in the Bayou State, concerned parents, teachers and scientists are getting organized. The new group — Louisiana Coalition for Science — calls upon the Senate to oppose SB 733, a bill which will open the door to creationism in public schools.

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Patsye Peebles, a veteran biology teacher from Baton Rouge and a founding member of the Louisiana Coalition for Science, agrees that the bill should be rejected. “I was a biology teacher for 22 years, and I never needed the legislature to tell me how to present anything. This bill doesn’t solve any of the problems classroom teachers face, and it will make it harder for us to keep the focus on accurate science in science classrooms. Evolution isn’t scientifically controversial, and we don’t need the legislature substituting its judgment for the scientists and science teachers who actually know the subject.”

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Your will be done ——– Spreadiiiinnng … NOW!

“In response to numerous attacks on science education in the Bayou State, concerned parents, teachers and scientists are getting organized.”

I am hoping that this effort will thrive and bear good fruit, once again demonstrating that it is not government that leads and shows the way. It is just folks. Us. We the People.

I strongly endorse the ideals of our founders who realized that the proper role of leadership is the earnest representation of the will of the people, the electorate, and the faithful execution of legislation that specifically meets the approval of those led. Any benefit that may accrue to the leadership is incidental and if the leadership chooses to take great pleasure in such benefit and proudly claim their skill, that is fine. But it is not the important point.

The important point, and a proof of the wisdom of the founders, is that those led are able to articulate their desires persuasively, are well versed in the law of the land and the functions and responsibilities of various agencies, and are fiercely protective of their own personal autonomy and interdependence.

I hope that this level of “self” governance can be achieved soon. It’s a tall order and the average citizen is sorely challenged these days. But when I hear of people taking responsibility upon themselves, assuming the risk personally, I am heartened and for a moment feel a deeper love of country and community. And, um, humanity as a whole and all that stuff.

Three cheer and a sly wink to the Louisiana Coalition for Science! May they stand together and prevail.

E Pluribus Unum

Meanwhile, at the Disco Palace, John West is blathering…

“Would the law allow the teaching of creationism or other religious beliefs?

Absolutely not. Section 1C of the law clearly states that the law “shall not be construed to promote any religious doctrine, promote discrimination for or against a particular set of religious beliefs, or promote discrimination for or against religion or nonreligion.”

It seems clear to me, that the DI can’t wait to find their Scopes. As soon as a teacher tries to “supplement” their Biology HS class with Exploring Evolution, they’re going to wind up back in court. Barbara Forrest has already assembled mounds of evidence showing how DI has attempted to distance itself 2x over now. First, by removing Creationism from its textbooks, and now by removing Intelligent Design (I’m guessing because of Dover?)

Reading the excerpts from Exploring Evolution, it’s clear that this is a textbook with an agenda. Take a look at “Fossil Succession” http://www.exploreevolution.com/pdf[…]de_30-31.pdf

All arguments for NS are summarized (I don’t know enough about the topic to know how much of this is Straw Man), while the “Critics” get double the text, several direct quotes, and even a half-page graphic with a non-sequitor allusion which seems to imply you’d be dumb to think there’s anything left to discover in the fossil record of any importance. (Ha take that you paleontologists!)

IMO, any court challenge is going to end up the same way Dover did, this is a stupid move for DI. A judge should be able to see this for what it is, compounded with the documented evidence connecting EE with DI with Creationism. Is it possible to kill this Hydra by cutting to its heart? I suppose it will likely mutate a new head and a new strategy, but jesus, what a waste of time, money, and energy.

Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal will sign Senate Bill 733 into law and he will then become John McCain’s choice for Vice President of the United States of America. The Republicans are going to use intelligent design to energize their fundamentalist supporters.

Wow, could we be so lucky ? ID the cause of yet another timely Waterloo…

Scott Beach said:

Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal will sign Senate Bill 733 into law and he will then become John McCain’s choice for Vice President of the United States of America. The Republicans are going to use intelligent design to energize their fundamentalist supporters.

I never really heard of Tom Wills until various atheists blogs which have a connection with each other had brought him up. The comparison between him and the accusations of the movie, “Expelled” are mute.

I suspect the vast majority of creationists do not agree with banning evolutionists to vote. This is certainly not what one would call a communist state, here in America.

”…the laws of nature and of nature’s God…We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights…appealing to the Supreme Judge of the Word, for the rectitude of our intentions…” The Declaration of Independence

Congress in May 17, 1776, proclamation for national day of prayer, said; “The Congress…desirous…to have people of all ranks and degrees duly impressed with a solemn sense of Go’s superintending providence, and of their duty devoutly to rely…

Michael, you forgot the money quote from the Treaty of Tripoli. Go read it, boyo.

Wolfhound said:

Michael, you forgot the money quote from the Treaty of Tripoli. Go read it, boyo.

Wolfhound, I have that one too. You have to scroll down past the first video.

Stacy, you have exactly summed up my opinion of McCain and why I cannot bring myself to vote for him. I always enjoy watching the theocrats quote the stuff about God and such in the Declaration and more obscure documents but conveniently ignore the total lack of such nonsense in the Constitution and the outright refutation of their assertions contained in the Treaty of Tripoli.

What is becoming increasingly necessary is for the major private coleges and universities and public institutions in states where this is politically possible, should insist that any high school biology course submitted to fulfill admission requrements be scientifically sound, that is, contain a strong presentation of evolution. If the course fails to meet the requirement, the student would be compelled to take a “bonehead”, non-credit biology course that would meet the requirement.

I cannot agree with David Hudson more. The absolute moronothon that they propose is injurious to the public in lots of ways. The bill has passed and it will go to the Senate again. Check it here

Dear Scott,

I am one Republican who would strongly disapprove of this:

Scott Beach said:

Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal will sign Senate Bill 733 into law and he will then become John McCain’s choice for Vice President of the United States of America. The Republicans are going to use intelligent design to energize their fundamentalist supporters.

Although McCain has expressed support for ID, it hasn’t been as enthusiastic as Dubya’s. I’m hoping some more moderate Republicans will set him on the right course with regards to the realities of the so-called evolution vs. ID creationism debate. The publication of Ken Miller’s new book may prove to be rather timely. Let’s hope so for all of our sakes.

Regards,

John

P. S. Incidentally Jindal is a fellow alumnus of Ken’s - and my - undergraduate alma mater. To the best of my knowledge, he never studied with Ken.

P. P. S. Am hoping McCain will be more imaginative in his veep pick and choose instead Condi Rice, who has proven herself to be an effective administrator (She was Stanford’s Provost between her various stints working in DC.).

Hi all,

Bill Dembski is acting as a cheerleader again, asking his IDiot sycophants to strike at their delusional version of Ken Miller at Uncommon Dissent. His ongoing actions really bring home what I observed in my Amazon.com review of Ken Miller’s “only A Theory”.

In the second and third paragraphs of my Amazon.com review, I noted this:

“What is America’s ‘scientific soul’ and why its survival remains in jeopardy from Intelligent Design’s ongoing, vigorous - or perhaps more accurately, fanatical - assault, are among the most important, most compelling, themes examined by Miller in his elegant, terse tome. As Miller eloquently notes in the opening chapter, his recognition of a ‘battle for America’s scientific soul’ is one he has discerned only recently, in the aftermath of recent legal battles against Intelligent Design and other creationist foes. And, regrettably, it is a battle that goes well beyond shaping the future course of American secondary school science education. Miller passionately believes that our ‘scientific soul’ is exactly the very essence that makes us Americans; a healthy disdain for authority, but one which does respect pragmatism, and demands results, in short, the very cultural environment that has been embraced, and sustained by mainstream science for centuries. A cultural environment whose revolutionary nature arose in little more than a decade during the American Revolution, according to Miller’s distinguished Brown University colleague, eminent American historian Gordon Wood, when Americans transformed their society from ‘one little different from the hierarchal societies of European monarchies to one that took up the truly radical notion that individuals were both the source of a government’s legitimacy and its greatest hope for progress.’”

“In many respects, not only is Intelligent Design an idea that is ‘un-American’, since its very principles are antithetical to America’s defining cultural values of practicality, pragmatism and disrespect of authority, but, in its key objective of ‘overthrowing methodological naturalism’, Intelligent Design, argues Miller, is a far more serious and dangerous threat to mainstream science than traditional creationism, since it is a revolutionary assault against the very fabric of scientific methodology (‘methodological naturalism’, or rather, what is commonly recognized as the scientific method comprised of hypothesis generation and testing) employed by science for centuries, transforming science into an unrecognizable entity that is as rife with relativism as the leftist-leaning social sciences criticized by philosopher Allan Bloom in his landmark tome, ‘The Closing of the American Mind: How Higher Education Has Impoverished America’s Young and Failed Its Students’. Indeed Miller observes astutely that Bloom’s analysis was not a conservative-leaning attack on leftist Academia, but instead, one warning how a relativistic “openness” - an uncritical embrace of all ideas - was detrimental to the survival of rational thought on college and university campuses, and, not surprisingly, Bloom contended that the sciences were the only realm of Academia unaffected by the politics of openness. However, if Intelligent Design successfully gains further acceptance amongst a sympathetic American populace, then, Miller warns, American science would be susceptible too to the same political plagues affecting the arts, humanities and social sciences (Ironically the same plagues that have been the subjects of ample discourse, mostly hysterical ridicule, from leading Intelligent Design advocates like Philip Johnson, David Klinghoffer, and Ann Coulter.). This is a warning which should be heeded by anyone who reads or hears of Miller’s message, since the very essence, the very future, of American science is at stake.”

(Incidentally mine is one of three currently posted at Amazon.com and the only one which covers the two main points of Ken’s book:

1) The current battles with ID creationists mean that we are engaged in a battle for America’s soul, which could well determine what a future America will resemble, not only scientifically, but also culturally and politically.

2) Is ID a scientific theory that can explain better the structure and history of Planet Earth’s biodiversity? How can we test its principles? Does existing data support them?)

For more of review, then please look here:

http://www.amazon.com/Only-Theory-E[…]0&sr=8-1

Regards,

John

I do recall Governor Jindal, during his campaign, promoting the teaching of both sides. And during the previous election for governor, asking what’s wrong the the Ten Commandments. Yeah, pretty clear what group he was appealing to. Not that Governor Blanco was much better for the state; ladies and gentlemen, let’s give a round of applause to Louisiana politics.

Still, considering that bill-passing is fertile ground for misinformation and special interest lobbying – the major strengths of the ID folks – it’s no surprise the bill was passed in both houses. On the other hand, it can be seen from insightful articles on HOX genes and squid eyes that you guys are best at presenting to someone with an attention span. And, considering this is taking place in Mrs. Forrest’s home state, I’d say the supporters of MET will have the home court advantage during the obligatory trial, when real information will be collected. After which, I’m afraid to say, Louisiana will just have to make do with the discovery of another activist judge in its borders. (Never mind that judicial review has a well-founded history in this nation.)

“Jindal supports intelligent design as a viable science” This news report includes a video interview of Governor Jindal.

See http://rawstory.com/news08/2008/06/[…]ble-science/

Article 11 was dropped from the Treaty of Tripoli a mere 8 years later, hayseeds.

The Video - Louisiana Coalition for Science - is afraid of!

Does not look so scary to me.

please view it and decide if it is OK for your children to watch!

This news report includes a video interview of Governor Jindal

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