Disco ‘Tute gets into censorship

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PZ Myers has the video. Quick and dirty summary: Casey Luskin is interviewed on Fox; a critique using footage from the Fox interview is posted on Youtube; the Disco Dancers claim copyright violation for material they don’t own. DMCA fail!

‘Course, it’s consistent with the no-comments policy on their site and the modding policies on Uncommon Descent. I once mis-stated that as Uncommon Dissent, which more and more I think is the appropriate title.

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No real surprise that they’d stoop to underhanded(and incomptent) tactics. They out to look up Streisand Effect on wikipedia sometime, the video’s now been mirrored dozens of times on youtube and now even MORE people are going to be introduced to the great work of DonExodus2 and have the opportunity to browse through his archives(which have repeatedly shown flaws in Intelligent Design/Creationism, how evolution makes sense and works, and how really interesting science can be!)

It’s just more of the same regular facepalming stupidity from the DI.

I hope DonExodus2 has the time/money/etc to take the DI to task legally over this, and that if any of you reading this article haven’t heard of him, give DonExodus2 a glance on Youtube :)

It is about time the DI got a public slapping down for crass stupidity… Should happen more in the media…but seeing as the media in turn are in thrall of creationist moles in the management…or at least pink fluffy xian clones… then the only open debate must be on t’intertubes!

They might have well opened a pandora’s box here and run the risk of getting severely burnt in the backfire they will live to regret the stupidity..let us hope so…cos they have been cruising for a bruising for years!

They will find it not quite as easy to patrol and control the highways and byways of t’intertubes cos that media is nowhere near as simple as putting the frighteners on the regular media!

I thought about registering the URL UncommonlyDense.com and linking it to Uncommon Descent, and then perhaps WeLieForJebus.com and linking to the DiscoTute. But I thought I might get sued :(

Just love the infantile commentary here.

Disco’tute? What a hoot! Yep. We had to learn how to disco dance just to keep up with all the rigourous science coming outta the panda’s ar..thumb.

Xian? Did you know that it is a city in China? Didn’t think so. Ya gotta wait till college to learn that.

BTW, Does pronouncing the word Christian hurt or sumptin?

Wonder how ID’s ‘density’ compares to adaptation being mistaken for evolution.

“Xian? Did you know that it is a city in China? Didn’t think so. Ya gotta wait till college to learn that.”

Obviously someone that never heard of ‘Xmas’…it is a shortening of ‘Christian’ for sure although that does not mean it is either disrespectful or insulting.

What is your real problem with the term…trying to find something to claim intolerance or discrimination against good ‘xian’ folks are we…it has been in the English language since before you were ‘created’!

…never mind maybe you will grow out of it or actually grow up…that in itself would be a result.

“Wonder how ID’s ‘density’ compares to adaptation being mistaken for evolution.” Evidence for this particular whine please?

Steve.P, thank you for your contribution on this interesting topic. Please show as much critical analysis of the Intelligent Design community as you do towards flippant comments made about an institution that stands up for ‘honest christian values’ and lies and deceives as often as possible!

Have a great Day ! :)

Steve P. said: Disco’tute? What a hoot!

Many of us normally refer to the “Dishonesty Institute” after the way its dupes and minions lie. Examples include Buckingham and Bonsell of the Dover School Board and Jon Buell of the Foundation for Thought and Ethics in his Dover deposition. This led the judge in the Dover trial to comment in his decision “It is ironic that several of these individuals, who so staunchly and proudly touted their religious convictions in public, would time and again lie to cover their tracks and disguise the real purpose behind the Intelligent Design Policy.”

So, Steve - give us you opinion about the “Dishonesty Institute.”

Note the contrast:

The Discovery Institute makes blatant lies, and Steve P. has no comment.

Richard B. Hoppe makes a pun – Disco ‘Tute – and Steve P. is up in arms about intellectual standards and “rigour” [sic].

Steve P. said:

Just love the infantile commentary here.

Disco’tute? What a hoot! Yep. We had to learn how to disco dance just to keep up with all the rigourous science coming outta the panda’s ar..thumb.

In the process of attaching Richard’s neologism of “Disco ‘Tute”, Steve makes his own neologism, namely “ar..thumb”.

No one could ever accuse Steve of consistency!

Steve P. said:

Wonder how ID’s ‘density’ compares to adaptation being mistaken for evolution.

Evolution is a mechanism by which organisms adapt from one generation to another. Learning is a mechanism by which some organisms adapt to short term changes during their lifetime.

Adaptation is a word that describes some observations whilst Evolution is a mechanism that allows some types of adaptation to occur.

learning is not something all organisms are capable of, as your comments above illustrate.

So how come Steve P has no comment about the fact that the Discovery Institute is engaging in illegal censorship by making a copyright claim on footage that they have no legal copyright for?

Nnoel said:

Steve.P, thank you for your contribution on this interesting topic. Please show as much critical analysis of the Intelligent Design community as you do towards flippant comments made about an institution that stands up for ‘honest christian values’ and lies and deceives as often as possible!

Have a great Day ! :)

I mean, why would the Discovery Institute constantly accuse scientists of illegally censoring Intelligent Design proponents, as described in “Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed,” yet, readily engage in it, itself?

Oh, wait, it’s because the Discovery Institute is staffed by liars and charlatans.

Steve P. said:

Just love the infantile commentary here.

Oh the irony…

Hey Steve! Thanks for dropping by! By the way, we’re still waiting for that first published, peer reviewed paper proving ID to be a better explanation than evolution. Are you about done with that yet? What’s the holdup? Thanks and have a GREAT day!

I have been saying for years that the Dishonesty Institute is a crypto-Fascist organization. Their latest act of intimidation against this YouTube blogger merely confirms my sad, but quite true, assessment. However, since this episode is relatively speaking, minor (It doesn’t quite compare to Bill Dembski’s gleeful boasting as to how he had stolen the XVIVO-produced Harvard University cell animation video a year and a half ago, and sadly, that’s one crime which he was never prosecuted for.).

We should note how Steve P, when his “questions” are answered, as on the “Transitionals, Transitionals” thread, ignores the response and runs away to soil another thread instead. A true intellectual coward.

Just to finish my train of thought here:

John Kwok said:

I have been saying for years that the Dishonesty Institute is a crypto-Fascist organization. Their latest act of intimidation against this YouTube blogger merely confirms my sad, but quite true, assessment. However, since this episode is relatively speaking, minor (It doesn’t quite compare to Bill Dembski’s gleeful boasting as to how he had stolen the XVIVO-produced Harvard University cell animation video a year and a half ago, and sadly, that’s one crime which he was never prosecuted for.).

Since blatant act of DI censorship is relatively speaking, a minor one, I don’t think anyone should think seriously of devoting ample personal, financial or legal resources to it (My apologies in advance to the YouTube blogger, but, as I noted beforehand, the injustice done to you pales in comparison to what Bill Dembski has gotten away with in his theft of the Harvard University cell animation video.).

Steve P. said: Xian? Did you know that it is a city in China? Didn’t think so. Ya gotta wait till college to learn that.

BTW, Does pronouncing the word Christian hurt or sumptin?

Use of X, the Greek letter chi, for “Christ” is an ancient Christian practice.

I’d be happier if the X had a cute little rho nestled in the middle, but I realize that is difficult while typing.

Steve P. said:

Just love the infantile commentary here.

Disco’tute? What a hoot! Yep. We had to learn how to disco dance just to keep up with all the rigourous science coming outta the panda’s ar..thumb.

Xian? Did you know that it is a city in China? Didn’t think so. Ya gotta wait till college to learn that.

BTW, Does pronouncing the word Christian hurt or sumptin?

Wonder how ID’s ‘density’ compares to adaptation being mistaken for evolution.

(sigh) Another bleeding heart liberal.

Given your apparent problem with evolution and sympathy for the DI, would you mind telling us whether you agree with Michael Behe that life on earth has a ~4 billion year history and that humans share common ancestors with other species?

He’s being a concern troll, guys. Like novparl. I recommend DNFTT, at least until he says something substantive about DI’s claim of copyright infringement.

I work with someone from that fine city in China. And it’s Xi’an, not Xian. Alternate spelling is Sian (among other archaic transliterations).

Oh, look! From Wikipedia: “Xian, an alternative spelling of Christian.”

Infantile? No, funny. Learn the difference!

There is documentation for the Disco ‘Tute has lied.

The most fascinating anomaly about the name “Discovery Institute” is that its members have never discovered anything the slightest bit interesting. Have its members, associates, or assorted hangers on ever used their resources to conduct a genographic study or fund a dig yielding a cool new fossil? Have they synthesized any new vaccines or found a way to increase crop yields in third world countries? Is there a Discovery Institute team at CERN mining for nuggets of data about sub-atomic particles? Surely they have a team deployed to Greenland or the poles drilling for ice cores to expand our knowledge of the planet’s historical climate!

I only wish I knew what the discovery in Discovery Institute is supposed to mean.

The most fascinating anomaly about the name “Discovery Institute” is that its members have never discovered anything the slightest bit interesting…I only wish I knew what the discovery in Discovery Institute is supposed to mean.

Not very hard. Discovery is very central to the operation of the DI - their job is to PREVENT it by whatever means work.

FastEddie said: I only wish I knew what the discovery in Discovery Institute is supposed to mean.

I’ve always assumed that it was legal jargon :)

FastEddie said: The most fascinating anomaly about the name “Discovery Institute” is that its members have never discovered anything the slightest bit interesting. Have its members, associates, or assorted hangers on ever used their resources to conduct a genographic study or fund a dig yielding a cool new fossil? Have they synthesized any new vaccines or found a way to increase crop yields in third world countries?

They have a “research” budget that runs to about $1million/year. AFAIK they use most of it on advertising/public relations, with some going to support academics like Behe.

As a nonprofit or not-for-profit or whatever they are, their books are public record. You have to go to some web site and sign up etc… to get access to the information, but you can. I did it about a year ago and haven’t looked at it since, which is why I’m hazy on the details.

In any event, if any creationist ever uses the “we would do research if we just had the resources” argument, you now know that’s a lie. They do have the resources, they hypothetically spend it on what they consider research, they just have nothing whatsoever to show for it.

Steven P lying xian Death Cultist:

Wonder how ID’s ‘density’ compares to adaptation being mistaken for evolution.

Stupid comment. They are equivalent. ID is all lies and calling evolution adaptation is a lie.

Lie=Lie.

Not very smart or honest are you? It’s a fundie cult xian thing.

If that is the best you have, amuse us. When is the Rapture? What is the name of your Death Cult. When is the next xian terrorist attack?

Has anyone talked to the Electronic Frontier Foundation about this?

Filing a false DMCA takedown notice leaves you wide open for both criminal and civil liabilities.

I find this kind of behavior especially stupid when it comes from the people who shamelessly flaunted their rip-off of Harvard’s expensive CGI animation for their own propaganda. Does it get any dumber? Perhaps, like falsely accusing someone of promoting genocide because he gave an informative talk on pandemics.

TomS said:

Steve P. said: Xian? Did you know that it is a city in China? Didn’t think so. Ya gotta wait till college to learn that.

BTW, Does pronouncing the word Christian hurt or sumptin?

Use of X, the Greek letter chi, for “Christ” is an ancient Christian practice.

In fact, the use of the letter chi in spelling “Christ” predates Old English.

Wheels said: Filing a false DMCA takedown notice leaves you wide open for both criminal and civil liabilities.

…and then, once the court case(s) get cooking, Casey and his friends at the Dishonesty Institute will really find out what the legal term “discovery” means. And then it will get very interesting.

It will be really big news if the Discovery Institute ever does anything to demonstrate that they have some integrity.

If they can trace it to the Discovery Institute is the organization responsible or can they give up a sacrificial perp.

I just noticed, the other day that Meyer, the leader of the bogus creationist anti-science efforts over at the Discovery Institute, has been demoted. He is only listed as being the director of the ID scam wing of the Discovery Institute. Was there some kind of announcement as to why he is no longer vice president of the Discovery Institute?

Ron Okimoto said:

I just noticed, the other day that Meyer, the leader of the bogus creationist anti-science efforts over at the Discovery Institute, has been demoted. He is only listed as being the director of the ID scam wing of the Discovery Institute. Was there some kind of announcement as to why he is no longer vice president of the Discovery Institute?

He wasn’t discovering enough ways to slander and libel scientists while bilking the stupid faithful as according to schedule?

Ron Okimoto said:

I just noticed, the other day that Meyer, the leader of the bogus creationist anti-science efforts over at the Discovery Institute, has been demoted. He is only listed as being the director of the ID scam wing of the Discovery Institute. Was there some kind of announcement as to why he is no longer vice president of the Discovery Institute?

Might it be because his new book is another embarrassment to ID?

In fact I have been wondering if the reason that there have been no new threads lately is because the PT guys are busy reading and writing reviews of that book.

Frank J said:

Ron Okimoto said:

I just noticed, the other day that Meyer, the leader of the bogus creationist anti-science efforts over at the Discovery Institute, has been demoted. He is only listed as being the director of the ID scam wing of the Discovery Institute. Was there some kind of announcement as to why he is no longer vice president of the Discovery Institute?

Might it be because his new book is another embarrassment to ID?

In fact I have been wondering if the reason that there have been no new threads lately is because the PT guys are busy reading and writing reviews of that book.

More likely mutual blackmail, where they have negotiated a reduction in salary based on what the scam book will bring in from the clueless rubes, just as long as no one goes public with what they have against eachother.

As sad as that tale sounds, based on the past fiascoes at the Discovery Insitute it is a more likely scenario than the scenario that Meyer’s book will be found to be the ground breaking work that reestablishes the intelligent design scam as the primary bogus scam of the creationist anti-science perps instead of the current obfuscation switch scam (that the Discovery Institute is currently running) that doesn’t even mention that intelligent design ever existed. These are the same guys that used to claim that ID was their business, but what is their primary scam today? Any additional intelligent design books are just additional bait to help them run in the switch scam on any rube ignorant or incompetent enough to be taken in by it.

Hey, they still have Wells as a fellow. Well, at least, the last time that I checked, and they likely have to warn the creationist rubes to not use any of Wells’ books in perpetrating the switch scam as well as telling them not to mention creationism nor intelligent design. At the very least they might point them at the Ohio State School board fiasco and hope that the rubes can take a hint equivalent to a sledge hammmer up against the side of their heads. Why would an organization keep deadwood like that if they were not forced to for some reason? I know that some would claim that Wells isn’t any worse than any of the other Discovery Institute fellows, but what kind of lame excuse is that? It is not one that the Discovery Institute uses in public.

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