Kirk Cameron on the spot

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Here’s a video from UCLA last week showing some folks getting the opportunity to discuss evolution with Kirk Cameron in person – something the rest of us on the other campuses were hoping for. Who’s the brilliant young woman telling Kirk what’s what down at UCLA? I think I’m in love…

(HT: via TMZ via Huffington post)

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Could Cameron be any more transparent here? What a slimeball.

The funny part is that he got owned in biology by a college freshman.

My favorite quote:

Kirk: “I love science.”

Right Kirk.

That chick totally rocks.

Is there a transcript? I can’t make out most of the words.

Yes, a transcript is needed, especially for us old farts.

It is hard to hear with the Dvorak-playing trumpeter in the background. It gets better towards the end. The conversation isn’t Ken Miller level or anything, it’s just funny just how little Kirk Cameron knows.

Commenter Dorkman on pharyngula made a transcript.

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/[…]ment-2099557

(May or may not be 100% accurate.)

That young woman restores my faith in life, the universe and everything.

It is interesting just how immature the arguments of Cameron are. When I hear these arguments repeated I sometimes think that these creationists simply never learn anything. They just keep hammering on the same arguments, no matter how many times they are refuted or shown to be stupid.

Maybe it is effectively an IQ screening test. Any rubes passing by who are in awe of such arguments are the kinds of followers they are attempting to recruit. Anything brighter would be a threat to the leaders of these “armies of the night.”

What a wonderful example of reason and logic versus personal agenda. Cameron seemed foolish and unequipped to counter any logical argument. Did he think he was on his way to Costa Mesa Community College instead of UCLA.

I think as a manner of appreciation to the woman’s clear dedication to education we should increase her tuition by 32%. Just Cali saying thanks.

The young lady was awesome. But, you can’t knock Cameron too badly - he was at the very least respectful of her and let her finish her thoughts. So he gets some kudos for that. But wow, she was great, I second Raul’s comment.

I looked at the title and then at the vidcap image, and was all ready to hear Cameron belt out his extemporaneous take on the G-spot. “You can see it all in those videos my friend Carrie made! Honest!” Alas, it was just a creationist arguing with some college students.

Kirk Cameron says:

Kirk: Okay, have you heard… Okay. Here’s, here’s, here’s the other important…um…(lengthy pause) I believe that Darwin was absolutely…that the end game was to make God…was to remove God from…the, the worldview of… I think that that was his end game. Um.

Very telling. Cameron has no evidence that Darwin’s final objective was to remove God from the worldview of anything. No such evidence exists. But he wishes this were true … he “thinks” that that was Darwin’s “end game”. To Cameron, this is sufficient.

What if we applied Cameron’s line of “reasoning” to other facets of life? I wish that I were a millionaire. Using Cameron’s line, this wish overrides the lack of evidence that I’m a millionaire.

Dan said:

What if we applied Cameron’s line of “reasoning” to other facets of life? I wish that I were a millionaire. Using Cameron’s line, this wish overrides the lack of evidence that I’m a millionaire.

The IRS would be very, very interested in this idea, then.

We should just refere to Kirk as “banana boy” from now on. That video he made with Ray is hilarious.

I do agree with Norm, he was at least polite. But then again, he was arguing with a young female, in front of other young people and with a camera on him. Too bad he could not have been as articulate as he was polite. But than again, too bad he could not have been logical or presented any evidence either. Polite ain’t an argument.

Of course, it matters not what the motivation was for Darwin to write the Origin. All that matters is that he was right. Kirk somehow seems to have missed that point.

Okay, bonobos are essentially chimpanzees, except they’re smaller, and they’re more, uh, friendly with each other

Delicately put.

Stanton said:

Dan said:

What if we applied Cameron’s line of “reasoning” to other facets of life? I wish that I were a millionaire. Using Cameron’s line, this wish overrides the lack of evidence that I’m a millionaire.

The IRS would be very, very interested in this idea, then.

Bah, easily solved. I wish there were no IRS. :)

Now that I think about it it, maybe Cameron learned his schtick from Hovind, not Comfort.

Darnit! Why’d he go to UCLA and not USC! I would have LOVED to “debate” him - though I must admit this bruin does a pretty good job.

Not only that Ray, but she sounded far more intelligent that poor misunderstood Kirk Cameron. I strongly second your endorsement:

Raul said:

That young woman restores my faith in life, the universe and everything.

From a “Simpsins” episode and other sources i understand women do go into or do well in sciences. Way to rock the casbah Cameron. Canada saluts your energy, courage, and time on behalf of truth. This guy is doing jus what creationism needs. Bringing attention. Others can do the studied issues in everything we take on. If Kirk is no threat then theres no problem. Stoping him in the street with the best criticisms is not stopping but adding to the creationist story of addressing greater audiences.

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I know of several preeminent women scientists such as Brown University vertebrate paleobiologist Christine Janis and Harvard University physicist Lisa Randall (In the interest of full disclosure, her high school classmate was another future distinguished physicist, Brian Greene; both of whom I had overlapped with at our high school alma mater.). One of my undergraduate geology professors was - and still is - a noted structural geologist, and I have studied with several other prominent women scientists while in college and graduate school.

Apparently Byers, you are not only ignorant with respect to what is real, genuine science - since creationism is just religiously-derived mendacious intellectual pornography - but, most likely, a Canadian male chauvinist pig too (Wonder how Denyse O’Leary would tolerate having someone like you as a fellow Canadian IDiot.):

Robert Byers said:

From a “Simpsins” episode and other sources i understand women do go into or do well in sciences. Way to rock the casbah Cameron. Canada saluts your energy, courage, and time on behalf of truth. This guy is doing jus what creationism needs. Bringing attention. Others can do the studied issues in everything we take on. If Kirk is no threat then theres no problem. Stoping him in the street with the best criticisms is not stopping but adding to the creationist story of addressing greater audiences.

As for Kirk Cameron, I’d love to see him in “Star Trek XII” as an ill-fated USS Enterprise crew member who is vaporized by a Klingon armed with a Klingon sonic disruptor (Of course Cameron would play a red-shirted security officer who beams down with Chris Pine’s Captain James T. Kirk and Zachary Quinto’s Mr. Spock.

In the interests of full disclosure, I wish to make it clear that I was not in High School with John Kwok. Other posters to PT are, of course, presumed to have been in HIgh School with John Kwok unless they explicitly state that they were not in High School with John Kwok.

Thank you for your attention. Please resume what you were doing.

@ Amadan -

Thanks for the reminder, but for your information, I was trying to “pull rank” with that delusional Canadian IDiot, Mr. Byers. Anyway, I hope you agree with me that Kirk Cameron’s next acting gig should be as an ill-fated member of a USS Enterprise landing party confronting hostile Klingons in the next “Star Trek” film.

I was not in high school with John Kwok, but I did sit next to a future major league pitcher in senior year English class. Did I mention it was an advanced writing class? And I once sold a Snapple to Joe Montana.

.….Frank McCourt!

Re: Mr. Byers claim that woman do not to well in science…

Marie Curie

W. H. Heydt said:

Re: Mr. Byers claim that woman do not to well in science…

Marie Curie

Robert Byers strives to be a lying idiot in everything, for example, take his inane claims that the founding fathers of America wanted to establish a “Christian” nation where Genesis would be taught instead of science as “an origin”

ben,

I think Byers is so stupid that he wouldn’t even know who Frank McCourt is (BTW there’s actually two of them who are prominent.) and I am taking a long break from mentioning the one who is deceased. As for the other one, well will be interesting to see whether he’s going to give Joe Torre the pitching staff that Torre needs to ensure that his team does reach the National League championship series in the postseason next year:

ben said:

I was not in high school with John Kwok, but I did sit next to a future major league pitcher in senior year English class. Did I mention it was an advanced writing class? And I once sold a Snapple to Joe Montana.

.….Frank McCourt!

Stanton,

I suppose we have to remind the delusional Canadian (And if you are a Canadian other than Denyse O’Leary reading this, I do not mean to insult Canadians, since I have ample respect and appreciation for them and their beautiful country.) Mr. Byers that, in our very first treaty with another country, the United States stated that it is not nor was it ever, a nation founded under Christian principles (I suppose Byers probably hears the likes of Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity, and they’ve probably indoctrinated him into thinking that ours is a “Christian” nation.):

Stanton said:

W. H. Heydt said:

Re: Mr. Byers claim that woman do not to well in science…

Marie Curie

Robert Byers strives to be a lying idiot in everything, for example, take his inane claims that the founding fathers of America wanted to establish a “Christian” nation where Genesis would be taught instead of science as “an origin”

Or Barbara McClintock or Rosalyn Yalow or Irene Joliot-Curie (Marie’s daughter) or the many other women Nobel Prize recipients in the sciences:

W. H. Heydt said:

Re: Mr. Byers claim that woman do not to well in science…

Marie Curie

Henry,

So let me get this straight, you are denying plate tectonics and contintental drift just so that you can hold on to your myth of a 6,000 year old earth, does that about cover it?

Well, I guess if you can deny all of the evidence for evolution, you can also deny all of the evidence from geology as well. Funny how all of the evidence gives the same answer though isn’t it?

Now here’s the big question Henry, who cares what you think? Apparently reality doesn’t, why should anyone else?

henry probably means 100 degrees Farenheit, not Celsius. In the latter case, he would be saying the oceans were at boiling point. I can’t imagine even someone as lost to reality as henry would be that brain-dead. However, 100 degrees F (just over blood temperature) would still be enough to kill off nearly all marine life, which is mostly very temperature-sensitive, and, even more so, sensitive to levels of oxygen in solution.

Dave Luckett said:

henry probably means 100 degrees Farenheit, not Celsius. In the latter case, he would be saying the oceans were at boiling point. I can’t imagine even someone as lost to reality as henry would be that brain-dead. However, 100 degrees F (just over blood temperature) would still be enough to kill off nearly all marine life, which is mostly very temperature-sensitive, and, even more so, sensitive to levels of oxygen in solution.

And you’d have to be brain-dead to assume that having 100 degrees water, whether farenheit or celsius, would automatically lead up to an ice age.

Stanton said:

And you’d have to be brain-dead to assume that having 100 degrees water, whether farenheit or celsius, would automatically lead up to an ice age.

I always really hate the way creations can never do math.

According to wikipedia, the volume of the oceans is about 1.3 billion kilometers. If they were at 100 degrees F, and now they average about 50 degrees F, that means they needed to loose about 13e28 Joules, which is a lot of energy.

All that energy would presumably have to radiate out through the moisture-laden atmosphere.

Seeing as how just a few degrees can source enough energy flux to drive massive hurricanes in the Gulf of Mexico, quite a shallow sea… well, I’m no meteorologist, but it seems that that’s a big enough heat source to power giant monsoons for centuries.

Um, I don’t see the bible (or the contemporary written accounts of the Egyptians, Babylonians or early Chinese) mentioning anything about that even though the Biblical characters occupied low-lying lands near significant bodies of water and could have reasonably been expected to take some note of constant category-5 hurricanes in the neighborhood.

undereducated atheist said:

eric said:

undereducated atheist said: Also, if that is true, why do they [creationists] not all homeschool so that public schools can be a place of learning and not superstition?

Just to expand on what Stanton said, creationism is in large part a religious proselytization movement. Ensuring their own children believe is only part of the goal: they also want to convert your children. They think government establishement (in both schools and elsewhere) is a great means to do that, and that it is justified by the ends (saving souls).

Right now its easier to baffle school boards with academic bull**it than it is to argue that a morning prayer to Jesus doesn’t violate the first amendment, so that’s what they do. The drive to insert religion into science, history, english etc… is about proselytization, rather than academic rigor.

Thank you for your answer, I appreciate it. However, not to be unkind, but my question was rhetorical. The creationist agenda is not lost on me. I am just trying to gain as much knowledge as I can for the battles I know I will soon have to fight in order for my son to remain god and superstition free. This website and these threads are some of the best places I have found to gather information and insight, not only about evolution, but about its opponents as well.

There is hope for your son.

Madalyn Murray O’Hair’s son eventually became a Christian preacher despite his mother’s militant atheism.

henry said:

Madalyn Murray O’Hair’s son eventually became a Christian preacher despite his mother’s militant atheism.

And, of course, there are no stories of children raised by strict Christian preachers, in strict Christian homes who go out into the world and totally rebel.

C’mon henry, it’s so common it’s a freakin cliche’.

I remember back in the days of olde when I was back in college. There was a reason we would skip over our own co-eds to date the girls from the strict catholic girl’s school next door. Nuff said.

henry said:

There is hope for your son.

Madalyn Murray O’Hair’s son eventually became a Christian preacher despite his mother’s militant atheism.

Another thing I can’t stand about henry, besides the fact that he’s an arrogant, willfully stupid idiot, is that he’s so casual with his bigotry.

henry always shows how he readily accepts propaganda, lies and urban myths as though they were the gospel truth, and readily demonstrates how he so eagerly rejects any facts that contradict him.

I’m surprised henry has never thought of joining up with the Klu Klux Klan. After all, the KKK are a group who are proud of being homophobes who hate and despise atheists and evolution.

Dave Luckett said:

henry probably means 100 degrees Farenheit, not Celsius. In the latter case, he would be saying the oceans were at boiling point. I can’t imagine even someone as lost to reality as henry would be that brain-dead. However, 100 degrees F (just over blood temperature) would still be enough to kill off nearly all marine life, which is mostly very temperature-sensitive, and, even more so, sensitive to levels of oxygen in solution.

I stand corrected. The oceans were less than 100 degrees F, but high enough to cause enough evaporation to start the ice age. The snowfall would have been much greater than current levels so that the glaciers can grow and not melt away during the summer months. As the oceans cooled, the snowfall diminished eventually ending the ice age.

henry bullshitted:

I stand corrected. The oceans were less than 100 degrees F, but high enough to cause enough evaporation to start the ice age. The snowfall would have been much greater than current levels so that the glaciers can grow and not melt away during the summer months. As the oceans cooled, the snowfall diminished eventually ending the ice age.

Do you enjoy making a complete and total idiot out of yourself with every single post you make, henry?

stevaroni said:

John Kwok writes…

…especially given the elegant language in both the Declaration of Independence and the United States Constitution (including the Bill of Rights)

Or as evidenced by the lack thereof.

It’s a little know fact that the words “God” and “Christ” do not appear anywhere in the Constitution, and whenever terms like “religion” are used it’s always in an enumeration about how the government needs to stay away from it.

Even the famous preamble to the Declaration of Independence, “We hold these truths to be self-evident…”, though it does mention a “Creator”, is clearly far, far more about civil rights than it is about any reference to religion.

Actually, I believe the only religious word in the Constitution is ‘Lord’, and is found in the date “the year of our Lord”. That was simply a common dating language of the period. No other mention of god, Jesus, etc.

- K.

henry said:

Dave Luckett said:

henry probably means 100 degrees Farenheit, not Celsius. In the latter case, he would be saying the oceans were at boiling point. I can’t imagine even someone as lost to reality as henry would be that brain-dead. However, 100 degrees F (just over blood temperature) would still be enough to kill off nearly all marine life, which is mostly very temperature-sensitive, and, even more so, sensitive to levels of oxygen in solution.

I stand corrected. The oceans were less than 100 degrees F, but high enough to cause enough evaporation to start the ice age. The snowfall would have been much greater than current levels so that the glaciers can grow and not melt away during the summer months. As the oceans cooled, the snowfall diminished eventually ending the ice age.

Stand corrected? You made a completely evidence-free assertion that was quickly shown to be nonsensical, so you retreated to a similar, equally evidence-free assertion. Is what sense is that a correction? Correction is the process of making something correct; you are showing no signs of attempting that, you’re just lying for jesus.

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