Creationist extravaganza on TBN

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I think sometimes academics and bloggers who oppose creationists don’t really fully get the cultural and emotional context that the creationists are living in. You need to watch this May 20th episode of TBN’s “Praise the Lord”, devoted to creationism. Featured interviewees include Sean McDowell (son of Josh), Eric Hovind (son of Kent), Hugh Ross, Ray Comfort…and well-known non-creationist, Stephen Meyer. But the first 15 minutes of the show gives you some idea of just how far this is from being an academic issue.

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Meyer still with the shtick about information only coming from intelligent sources. What a huckster.

I watch about 80%. I had to stop due to the absolute embarrassing nature to the information. I could not help but to think how these grown men sounded like four year old children telling a story about a finger painting they had done.

Complete and utter lack of intelligent thought.

…”in Costa Mesa, CA”

sadly, that’s where I was born and raised.

This is where all the money for this shit comes from on the West Coast.

I think Howard Ahmanson was the primary mover 30 plus years ago, up till at least the last decade.

Having said that, I can’t recall actually even meeting a creationist until well into college, in Santa Barbara.

I guess nobody paid much attention to them…

Ichthyic said: …I can’t recall actually even meeting a creationist until well into college.… I guess nobody paid much attention to them…

You didn’t deal with them (on the creationist level) but they were there. I know I was arguing with them 30 years ago.

It’s just amazing to me how these people can be so proud of their scientific illiteracy and willful ignorance.

Um does this video now not work for anyone? Did they yank it?

… my brain is already hurting in the first 5’. Scientists thought the Earth was flat just 2 to 300 years ago (ie 1710 to 1810)? It sounds as though it’s going a concentrated “pleethooora” of nonsense. The percussion isn’t much better than a jackhammer.

Seth, still works for me. It should open in windows media player. It’s really painful viewing but if you really want to see it try a different video quality - http://www.tbn.org/watch-us/archives (2nd one down)

I tried the “high quality” connection, but it was still a bunch of low-quality trash.

Glen Davidson

Rather Odd still says no video, might be an issue with my flash but I haven’t had any other issues with flash stuff.. hmm someone rip and put on youtube! lol

Yeah this link gives different resolutions. And all the other episodes too!

It just says No Video, also it’s a WMV so not flash hmm.. grr it might suck but sucks worse not seeing it to laugh

finally got it to work, guess it might had been my speed or something, it just said (no video) and then after about 30-45sec the video starts… watching it now, and the opening is really annoying to start with.. ugg I will try and push through it!

Oh man i lived there for 12 years, and i think i know just that place, of the 405 near 55? I could feel ignorance as i sped along. at my college in the area i was in a genetics class and a class mate behind me said: “well if evolution worked how come we are not all concrete colored?!” such is my experience with evolution denial. It can never make sense to people who can’t grasp it.

another gem is “it takes me MORE faith to believe evolution.” ugh… just translate the theory of evolution into the theory of gravity. who cares what you believe? faith? why do people have 0 grasp of naturalist philosophy

we talk about literacy in this country all the time, literacy for fiction or non fiction; why is scientific literacy so tolerable in a country where the entire ascension as a world power/economy is based on technology?

Lots of stupid crap being thrown around in that video. But what really blew me away in terms of “I can’t freaking believe how Goddamn ignorant you are while attempting to make a scientifically based argument” was McDowell’s claim that eclipses only happen where there are “observers” (i.e. here on planet Earth).

But to maintain that belief, he’s going to have to either tell us what observers live on the planets Jupiter or Mars, or explain why they don’t count on planets.

Otherwise he could simply admit he had no freaking idea what the hell he was talking about and vow to never speak of scientific matters before getting his facts straight first, but I don’t really see that happening.

How ironic that a show claiming to be all about science begins with the Carman “talkie” song, “There Is a God,” that gets just about every assertion it makes about Earth and the Universe completely wrong.

Par for the course.

Glad to see that Stevie Meyer is a holy roller!

The Lord is Information! (amen!)

Jesus is your Windows 7 to 7th Heaven! (hallelujah , brother!)

The Bible is Ten to the Fortieth bits of Goodness! (yeah, gimmie some!)

If only Meyer could sing, man, he’d have it all.

I keep thinking that the only reason anyone would deny evolution is because he has either been lied to from childhood about the Bible being the Word of God and that the physical and chemical laws that government the universe are somehow not real, or that he is himself a con artist lying to others.

I beleive that the universe itself would have to be the Word of God, not any man-made book, and that a God who claims to represent absolute truth and morality would never do miracles, which by definition are a violation of physical and chemical laws. Laws must be absolute to be valid; miracles makes scientific laws pointless. So creationists can’t have it both ways; if God does miracles as creationists insists he does, then science is of no value.

It’s also fascinating to see how the IQ of the conversation drops when a Hovind male (Eric son of Kent in this case) opens his mouth *even* when that conversation is with other creationists!

Has anyone the intestinal fortitude to do a proper fisking?

Less than a minute into the animation/musical segment, and there were 6 lies I caught in just one pass.

30 seconds more and 3 more lies.

10:10 “Though they silently orbit, the sun, the moon, the stars, are like celestial evangelists above who circle the earth every twenty-four hours shouting in every language that THERE IS A GOD!” 10:22

Come on people! Dig in.

This is somewhat embarrassing, but could someone explain to me exactly how to view this?

Clicking on the link downloads a php file that doesn’t really do anything on my desk top (at least so far as I can figure out). Right clicking just lets me copy or save the link.

I’m using Windows vista (I feel rather like an old woman just given a computer for the first time, staring at the Explorer icon and unable to figure out how to get to the internet).

6 lies in 12 seconds!

You know, major props to Nick for finding this, but I can’t bring myself to watch. I just don’t need the frustration right now. I am curious to see if it comes up that Hugh Ross and Stephen Meyer both think the Earth is about 4.54 billion years old.

Then again, my feeling is that the real objection is not the geological age of the Earth, but the thought of humans evolving from earlier life forms. When pressed for evidence against evolution, creationists almost invariably retreat to abiogenesis (the veterans can confirm or refute this), but I think the bottom line is they need human beings to be supernaturally special.

Is there any likelihood that there will be a copyright infringement suit against creatocreeps “there is ”’…”’” at 11:20

also known as

“We are the the world ”’…”’”

What is interesting, although it’s nothing new with him (it was same in an interview with Dennis Miller), is that Meyer doesn’t even pretend that ID isn’t about God.

He just states that it is.

I think they’ve given up on winning a “Dover II” or some such thing.

Glen Davidson

Glen, I don’t think this is anything new. IDists have always tailored their comments to the type of audience they are talking to.

Glen, not so:

Glen Davidson said:

What is interesting, although it’s nothing new with him (it was same in an interview with Dennis Miller), is that Meyer doesn’t even pretend that ID isn’t about God.

He just states that it is.

I think they’ve given up on winning a “Dover II” or some such thing.

Glen Davidson

Don’t you recall that Bill Dembski declared to appropriate audiences back in 2000 that ID was simply the scientific “extrapolation” of the LOGOS word of Saint John? He and his fellow Dishonesty Institute mendacious intellectual pornographers have followed quite faithfully the Arafat principle of saying one thing to your immediate supporters and something else that could sway a much larger one.

Ever since they came up with cdesign proponentsis IMHO:

tacitus said:

Glen, I don’t think this is anything new. IDists have always tailored their comments to the type of audience they are talking to.

((Backs slowly away, smiling blandly))

Jesse said:

Perle said:

Love is a luxury of the humble. Creation is for love. I surround myself with everything I love. The United States is banrupt with no pyramids or coliseums, or roads. Scary.

Have you ever, you know, been more than 20 miles from home?

You’re talking to an idiot who claims that THERE ARE NO ROADS IN THE UNITED STATES. Forget 20 miles, to believe that idiocy Perle could never have left the house or even looked out a window. It’s as ridiculous as that song from An American Tail “there are no cats in America, and the streets are paved with cheese”. As such, my future posts in regard to Perle will be entirely based on references to animated media. :P

Perle said:

We evolve in spirals.

BRO BRO FIGHT DA POWAH!!!!

Who the hell do you think I am?!!

Perle said:

Mind is the Builder. Apes evolved from Man. We spiraled from perfect Creation to the caveman or neanderthal man. We were not allowed knowledge of fire and the Earth was severely tilted almost to be swung from its axis. We had forced numerous ice ages upon ourselves during all this upheaval or disobedience. Mind is the builder whether it be a centaur, a pig, or a flower. Mythology is real. Man lived in perfection for thousands of years, and then came the mixture of creatures, etc. when Man co-created in blatant disregard. We are persons or pure sons (of God). 1x1x1x1x1x1=1 God can multiply without separation, but man has free-will and chooses to struggle with reincarnation. You can’t mix oil and water. God can’t receive man back unwillingly. Create. Don’t regurgitate.

“Yes, sir! True satisfaction! That’s what discipline brings! Even the five court ladies dancing to frog flutes and drums had it, and so did the whirlwind of recycled paper! Computer graphics playing in my head and I like it! I don’t support Technicolor parfaits and those snobby little petit forks that sit there uneaten, and my position on that is common knowledge to everyone in Oceania. Now the time has come to return to the great blue sky, where confetti falls like stardust and everyone shaking around the shrine gates with the mailbox and the refridgerator leading the hip hop festival! Anyone who is concerned about expiration dates, step aside now! No one gets in the way of my glory train! They need to really analyze all of the livers of the triangle goose party! Ahhh! This whole festival was put together by twenty third-graders with lotsa hutspa and one panda! You see?! Now I am… truly grand! The ultimate one!”

phantomreader42 said:

Perle said:

We evolve in spirals.

BRO BRO FIGHT DA POWAH!!!!

Who the hell do you think I am?!!

Good catch!

Ichthyic said:

Good science often starts with good intuition. Bad science ends with it.

Now THAT sounds more like something Einstein would have actually said.

You flatter me sir.

Jesse said:

phantomreader42 said:

Perle said:

We evolve in spirals.

BRO BRO FIGHT DA POWAH!!!!

Who the hell do you think I am?!!

Good catch!

I like that, but I think the quote from Paprika is more fitting, especially since it came from the ravings of a severely delusional patient, and it reads so similar to Perle’s madness. :)

Justfinethanks said:

Lots of stupid crap being thrown around in that video. But what really blew me away in terms of “I can’t freaking believe how Goddamn ignorant you are while attempting to make a scientifically based argument” was McDowell’s claim that eclipses only happen where there are “observers” (i.e. here on planet Earth).

But to maintain that belief, he’s going to have to either tell us what observers live on the planets Jupiter or Mars, or explain why they don’t count on planets.

Otherwise he could simply admit he had no freaking idea what the hell he was talking about and vow to never speak of scientific matters before getting his facts straight first, but I don’t really see that happening.

I am by no means agreeing with creationists; however the mention of observing and eclipse where there are observers, despite being badly worded is fundamentally true. Essentially if you are not in the shadow the moon casts you will not observe the eclipse.

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