Freshwater: Tightening the vise

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The pressure on John Freshwater and his attorney R. Kelly Hamilton was ratcheted up last Friday, July 2, when the attorney for the Dennis family in Doe v. Mount Vernon Board of Education et al. filed a memorandum in opposition (pdf) to Freshwater and Hamilton’s motion for reconsideration of the federal court’s ruling that the two are liable for sanctions–attorney fees–due to non-compliance with discovery requests. That memorandum, written by Douglas Mansfield, the Dennises’ attorney, is full of bad news for Freshwater and Hamilton.

Details below the fold

First, recall that Freshwater has repeatedly claimed under oath that in May 2008 he and Hamilton met frequently–“almost daily”–to prepare 15 affidavits that were purportedly to be part of Freshwater’s comprehensive response to the allegations being investigated by the Board’s independent investigator, HR OnCall. There have been questions for months about the provenance of those affidavits, and in aid of determining just when they were prepared, Hamilton’s billing records for that period were sought in discovery. That’s when the Flood story emerged. Hamilton claimed that a broken water pipe flooded his laptop computer, and concluding that the data were irrecoverable he discarded it. He told the federal court that he had no billing records for the period in question.

However, it turns out that two months after the purported flood, Hamilton provided those very billing records, in electronic form, to the Board of Education’s attorney Sara Moore. From the memorandum in opposition:

In the affidavit attached as an exhibit to his Motion, Mr. Hamilton maintains that the “only evidence of billing records or anything relevant to the drafting or preparation” of Mr. Freshwater’s 15 affidavits “is limited because the gray colored Toshiba laptop computer used by affiant to … work on John Freshwater’s affidavits was completely destroyed by a water pipe burst that occurred at affiant’s office sometime between January 13, 2009 and January 16, 2009.” (Hamilton June 15, 2010 Aff. Para 3, 8) The proof that he billed Mr. Freshwater for assisting in the preparation of these affidavits, Mr. Hamilton claims, is Mr. Freshwater’s payment of $10,000 on November 12 and 13, 2008. (Id. Para 2, 8) But when Mr. Hamilton swore to these facts in his affidavit, he neglected to mention that he produced all of his billing records from April 17, 2008 through February 22, 2009 to counsel for the Mount Vernon City School Board of Education on March 17, 2009–two months after the alleged flood in his office occurred. (See Billing Records of R. Kelly Hamilton (filed under seal as “Exhibit A”) (cover email dated March 17, 2009).) The bills he produced to the School Board two months after the flood were for all periods before the flood, for the period after the flood but before he bought his new computer on February 3, 2009 (see Hamilton June 15, 2010 Aff. ¶ 7),1 and for the period after he claims to have the new computer in place. What is more, he produced these records to the School Board electronically, complete with what appear to be computer generated redactions, supplying further evidence that these records survived the flood. (Page 5; all italics original)

That seems to seal the case that Hamilton has been lying to the federal court about the billing records being sought in discovery.

But there’s more. Freshwater testified under oath that he and Hamilton met numerous times to prepare the 15 affidavits–“almost daily” in Freshwater’s words. However, while the billing records are under seal due to the gag order, the memorandum in opposition described the relevant portions:

The billing records, moreover, confirm the Dennises’ longstanding suspicions that Mr. Freshwater’s 15 affidavits were not executed between May 23 to May 25, 2008, as Mr. Hamilton maintains. In fact, no entries involving affidavits or anything approximating affidavit-related activities appear in Mr. Hamilton’s billing records during the entire month of May 2008. (See Billing Records of R. Kelly Hamilton.) Given Mr. Hamilton’s refusal to turn over his billing records and his untruthful representations about the existence of those records, the Court should not reconsider its decision to impose sanctions. Rather, the Court should impose further sanctions as set forth below. (Page 6)

So Hamilton was clearly lying about the loss of the billing records and Freshwater was apparently lying about the preparation of the affidavits. The only alternative to the latter conclusion is the hypothesis that Hamilton didn’t bill Freshwater for the affidavit preparation. But Hamilton has told the federal court that a payment of $10,000 to him from Freshwater in November, 2008, was in payment for the preparation of the affidavits. That’s a rock and hard place problem for them both.

There’s more in the memorandum in opposition about on-going failure to comply with discovery orders on the part of Hamilton and Freshwater, and you can read the memorandum (pdf) for that.

The sanctions the family are now requesting (in addition to those imposed earlier by the court) are first, that the court grant a summary judgment against Freshwater in favor of the Dennises, which would end the suit. Failing that, the family requests, via their attorney, that adverse evidentiary inferences be made against Freshwater concerning all the material not produced in compliance with the discovery orders. Specifically, they request the court rule


1. that Mr. Freshwater’s 15 affidavits were not prepared on May 2008 as Mr. Freshwater contends; and
2. that materials Mr. Freshwater acknowledges were in his classroom during the 2007-2008 school year but has not produced were religious items that served no secular purpose. These items, which may have been removed by Mr. Freshwater with the five armloads of materials in August 2008 or at other times with the President Bush poster or the copies of materials made at his church, include posters featuring Biblical quotes displayed on his classroom cupboards and books such as Refuting Evolution, Evolution of a Creationist, The Real Meaning of the Zodiac, and Icons of Evolution, and the “Lies in the Textbooks” videotape with the text “Part A 487” and “10 Lies of Evolution” displayed in his classroom. (See Pls.’ Mot. for Sanctions (Doc. No. 96) at 11-12.) (p. 15)

That last would eviscerate Freshwater’s defense since the case as originally filed against the Board of Education (which settled) and him is mainly an Establishment Clause case, and deeming all that material to be religious in nature with no secular purpose would strip him of the defense he’s been floating in the administrative hearing to the effect that he was using the creationist stuff to teach “bias” according to the Academic Content Standards and that the rest (e.g., the 10 Commandments) had a secular purpose.

This is becoming very sad to watch. Freshwater is not an intrinsically bad or evil person, but like not a few of his colleagues he is terribly misguided in his views of what is appropriate for a public school teacher. Further, he has been operating on the basis of very bad advice–from Daubenmire to start with and then Hamilton for the last two years–exacerbated by a socio-religious context full of people playing ‘Let’s you and them fight.’ While he is not an unwilling victim (after all, he has chosen to act on the bad advice), he is clearly being set up as a hero/martyr by his co-religionists who are more than happy to see someone else taking the point (and the arrows). That’s an awfully hard social role to decline when his family, friends, congregation, and principal advisers like his pastor Don Matolyak are all enthusiastically casting him in it and supporting him. Were he to try to decline or abandon that role he would be isolated and shunned, and that’s a high social price to pay. Freshwater has literally bet his farm that it’s worth it.

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No surprise here.

Hamilton’s bar review will be interesting!

Freshwater is not an intrinsically bad or evil person, but like not a few of his colleagues he is terribly misguided in his views of what is appropriate for a public school teacher.

He might’ve thought he was doing the right thing in the classroom, but he should’ve known he was doing the wrong thing when he lied on the witness stand.

Moreover, the social pressure to defend his story of the affidavits only occurred after he manufactured the story of the affidavits. There was certainly no social pressure to make up the story in the first place - honestly, no one would’ve thought of asking him for them. Its just not that central to the case. This was a completely unnecessary lie that he (and his lawyer) dreamed up themselves, not out of social pressure (no one was crying for affidavits) but merely to assist them in making a minor side-point in the case.

Eric said: “He might’ve thought he was doing the right thing in the classroom…”

No, he knew that some of the things he was doing in the classroom were wrong. That’s why he tried to ensure that a lot of the creationist handouts never left the room in the possession of a student.

Further, he has been operating on the basis of very bad advice–Daubenmire to start with and Hamilton for the last two years–exacerbated by a socio-religious context full of people playing ‘Let’s you and them fight.’ While he is not an unwilling victim (after all, he has chosen to act on the bad advice), he is clearly being set up as a hero/martyr by his co-religionists who are more than happy to see someone else taking the point (and the arrows). That’s an awfully hard social role to decline when his family, friends, congregation, and principal advisers like his pastor Don Matolyak are all enthusiastically casting him in it and supporting him. Were he to try to decline or abandon that role he would be isolated and shunned, and that’s a high social price to pay. Freshwater has literally bet his farm that it’s worth it.

Over the years since the 1970s I have frequently sampled the messages being sent from the fundamental pulpits and from the ID/creationists actively pushing their stuff.

During the years of the last Bush administration, the demonizing of secular education and science teachers became almost the standard shtick coming from these pulpits and propaganda mills.

In the last few years, however, it has gotten downright ugly. Nearly every video you can find railing against evolution and modern science has cranked up the demonizing and vilification of scientists and science teachers to a fever pitch. Science teachers are purported to be preaching in their courses that there is no god.

The demonizing flows so easily from their lips that the audiences listening to this crap are grinning a guffawing on cue from their speakers. The audiences are now being told to not even allow “evolutionists” and scientists to set the definitions and terms of discussion.

Essentially this advice comes down to saying that “evolutionists” and scientists have the wrong world view, and have no business defending themselves. They should be cut off at the knees before they can even speak.

I think I may have linked to this video of Thomas Kindle before.

Just over a minute into the talk he starts demonizing and continues throughout the talk. About 4 minutes in he says to the audience not to allow scientists the opportunity to “set the rules.” Then he goes on to completely mangle science and thermodynamics. It is constant demonizing all the way.

As ugly and nauseating as it is, it is well worth listening to because Kindle uses every damned trick in the ID/creationist playbook. It is meanness personified; and it is a fairly good condensation of the tactics they are using. It is guaranteed to blow your irony meter.

And this is just a sample.

Then you can go over to AiG and see the videos of talks directed at teens. These are getting ugly and snarky in the way they portray secular society and other churches. And they read from scripture to justify their attacks on people they don’t even know.

If this is the world in which Freshwater exists, it is no wonder he behaves the way he does.

Rule #1. When you find yourself in a hole, the first thing to do…is stop digging!!!

At this point, he should cut his losses and count himself lucky.

I’ve said since the beginning that he might end up doing a Kent Hovind or Martha Stewart. Turning a civil case into a jail sentence. Perjury and obstruction of justice are felonies. The courts really hate both as it interferes with their function in society.

The way it is going now he will lose and be a rather tattered and not very convincing martyr like Hovind. That few people regard as such and far more will hold up as a lesson in what not to do.

Then you can go over to AiG and see the videos of talks directed at teens. These are getting ugly and snarky in the way they portray secular society and other churches. And they read from scripture to justify their attacks on people they don’t even know.

As horrible as this is, it may well mean they are losing and know it.

According to the SBC, 7 out of 10 kids stop going to church when they can, usually after age 18.

And between 1 and 2 million people leave xianity every year in the USA.

Wait and see, but they might feel the tide going out on their mythology is real story.

As Greta Christensen said recently, “Of all the thousands of cases known, it is always a scientific explanation replacing a supernatural one. It has never worked the other way.”

I can see this judge closely copying a very pertinent quote from another judge’s famous decision: “It is ironic that several of these individuals, who so staunchly and proudly touted their religious convictions in public, would time and again lie to cover their tracks and disguise the real purpose behind the ID Policy.” - Judge John Jones, Harrisburg, PA, December 20, 2005.

These religious fanatics have lied to us before, and they will continue to lie to us. Remember that.

Did I read that he didn’t pay as ordered and that he even tried to lien his farm as payment??

How the hell can you pity Freshwater? The man landed in court for posting a list of rules on the door to his classroom that he believes were handed down by God Almighty. The Supreme Architect of the Universe dictated just Ten Rules to follow. One of these simple rules explicitly forbids in crystal clear terms the very actions this man is now so obviously guilty of.

Freshwater was paid in tax dollars to educate children in a vital subject area. Instead of doing his job, he betrayed the public’s trust and used his position as a platform to push an ideological agenda on his students. And it seems obvious now that he doesn’t even really believe in following that ideology himself.

wgw said:

Did I read that he didn’t pay as ordered and that he even tried to lien his farm as payment??

Yup. And Hamilton hasn’t paid either. And according to a statement Freshwater made under oath in a deposition for the federal suit, he has already signed over his farm to Hamilton as security for Hamilton’s fees, so how he can offer it to satisfy the sanctions imposed by the federal court is beyond me.

Mike Elzinga said: I think I may have linked to this video of Thomas Kindle before.

That is, of course, Thomas Kindell - more on him at http://creationwiki.org/Thomas_Kindell.

Selected quotes in the Kindell article:

“He has received advanced training in scientific creationism through the Graduate School of the Institute for Creation Research…”

“…a lifetime sustaining member of the Creation Research Society.”

“His seminars have been enthusiastically endorsed by Dr. Duane T. Gish…”

Well, we certainly know where he’s coming from, don’t we?

It continues to amaze (and amuse) me that creationist groups for all there banging on about the teaching of evolution undermining morality, seem to have little reservation in being dishonest.

Evolution, it would seem, is not the problem.

raven said:

Then you can go over to AiG and see the videos of talks directed at teens. These are getting ugly and snarky in the way they portray secular society and other churches. And they read from scripture to justify their attacks on people they don’t even know.

As horrible as this is, it may well mean they are losing and know it.

According to the SBC, 7 out of 10 kids stop going to church when they can, usually after age 18.

What is the SBC?

As for me, I was originally a Southern Baptist as a teenager, deconverted from that in college, joined a Unitarian church while professing to be agnostic, became a Baha’i a few years later, followed that for about eight years and deconverted from that in 2004. I then returned to the same Unitarian church and called myself agnostic again. I was a Christian because most of my relatives were, but I was a Baha’i because I was looking for a “pure” religion. Well, guess what! THERE IS NO PURE RELIGION. As long as human beings run religions (or anything else, for that matter) they will be screwed up. I have accepted that and no longer look for perfection. It just doesn’t exist.

Ryan Cunningham said:

How the hell can you pity Freshwater?

Read a little more carefully. I don’t pity Freshwater; indeed, I was careful to note that he is responsible for his own behavior. What I said was that this is becoming sad to watch. And it is. Maybe I’m too old–nearly 70–but I take little pleasure in seeing anyone being publicly eviscerated, much as they might deserve it.

Freshwater and I share some background. We’re both from small rural communities and prefer them, we both grew up in conservative Christian churches, we were both firefighters for long time, and so on. In other circumstances I might have wound up in his shoes. I didn’t, thanks to a whole lot of things, some of them purely contingent. E.g., who would have expected to meet a fellow enlisted man in the military, an honors grad of MIT, who required me to read Plato and respond to questions about my reading, thus introducing me to philosophy when I could have been raising Hell on liberty on the beach.

Don’t be too arrogant or triumphalist. Humans, even the most self-aware of us, can screw up badly for what we think at the time are the best of reasons.

Freshwater is happy at the thought of the majority of the human raced burning in hell for eternity? What reason is there to think and the, and anyone who feels the same way, is not evil?

This nonsense should have been away with a long time (religion, I mean).

Helena Constantine said:

Freshwater is happy at the thought of the majority of the human raced burning in hell for eternity?

No, I don’t think he’s at all “happy” about that thought.

What reason is there to think and the, and anyone who feels the same way, is not evil?

I don’t do “evil” in general. I think it’s insane.

This nonsense should have been away with a long time (religion, I mean).

Yup, I agree.

“Freshwater is not an intrinsically bad or evil person”

except … almost all of the bad and evil people in history have, in their own views, been fighting “the good fight” and propping up their own version of justice. the fact that they are working outside of socially agreed rules and laws, or that their actions won’t stand up to the scrutiny of an argument that includes all interested parties, is the point where they should twig to the fact that they have crossed a line; but people who battle evil-doers rarely do much twigging.

However, as mike elzinga illustrates very well, freshwater is very far from the worst in terms of knowingly crossing that line of fairness

Mike Elzinga said:

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In the last few years, however, it has gotten downright ugly. Nearly every video you can find railing against evolution and modern science has cranked up the demonizing and vilification of scientists and science teachers to a fever pitch. Science teachers are purported to be preaching in their courses that there is no god.

The demonizing flows so easily from their lips that the audiences listening to this crap are grinning a guffawing on cue from their speakers. The audiences are now being told to not even allow “evolutionists” and scientists to set the definitions and terms of discussion.

Essentially this advice comes down to saying that “evolutionists” and scientists have the wrong world view, and have no business defending themselves. They should be cut off at the knees before they can even speak.

As I pointed out in another post, this can be viewed as the eternal struggle of “good” vs “evil.” That is the world view they present. As “good” is inclusive of only the supernatural perspective, and a particular christian fundamentalist one at that, then evil is everything else, i.e., all of science as we know it.

In addition, this is the same world view presented by the dishonesty institute. It’s easy to mislead people about the Nazi’s activities regarding eugenics and it’s so-called association with Darwin, and they can easily convince their rubes regarding their case. As a result, anyone supporting Darwin and evolution is suspect of Nazi leanings or outright support of Hitler’s program. Indeed, David Klinghoffer of the dishonesty institute has a recent post on the Huffington Post site to that effect.

RBH said:

Helena Constantine said:

Freshwater is happy at the thought of the majority of the human raced burning in hell for eternity?

No, I don’t think he’s at all “happy” about that thought.

What other reason could there be to believe something like that against all evidence, except wanting it to be true?

Mike Elzinga said:

If this is the world in which Freshwater exists, it is no wonder he behaves the way he does.

Don’t forget that the fundies think the world is ending. The cable TV evangelist hucksters push it all the time. (It means more money for them.) It’s pretty much standard cable TV theology nowadays.

RBH said: Read a little more carefully. I don’t pity Freshwater; indeed, I was careful to note that he is responsible for his own behavior.

Just did, and I can see that now. Thanks for sharing a bit of your reasoning, too. I understand better what you mean by “sad.” A long series of tragic mistakes that put Freshwater where he is, and now each one of those mistakes is humiliating and obvious to every gossip. Worse, he is ultimately going to pay for what is in reality an entire community’s mistakes.

At the same time, the public evisceration is necessary. In the end, scores of children were the victims of his hypocrisy. He got away with this for years by being dishonest. He was supported by a community encouraging further dishonesty. They put children on the stand to cover their lies with more lies. Our public education system is undermined over and over again because people like this operate under a cloud of dishonesty.

Now the truth is there for everyone to see. Their deception is revealed for anyone who is willing to look, which makes it easier for us to keep more kids from going through episodes like this in the future. When I weigh Freshwater’s personal tragedy against the future damage this prevents to the education system, yea. I come out feeling damn good about this.

RBH said: Don’t be too arrogant or triumphalist. Humans, even the most self-aware of us, can screw up badly for what we think at the time are the best of reasons.

Wise words.

Helena Constantine said: What other reason could there be to believe something like that against all evidence, except wanting it to be true?

“Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.” - Hanlon’s razor

I didn’t touch on one other reason it’s sad to watch this debacle. Freshwater was a genuinely enthusiastic and committed teacher who worked hard at it and who was very much liked and respected by his students. And he wasted all that in service of his bibliolatry. That’s close to tragic in the classical sense.

Those who spent their youth in church may remember a dreadfully tuneless hymn, written during the saccarine turn-of-the-century nadir of Awful Church Music: Living for Jesus

I think of this version as the Creationist Hymn.

1. Lying for Jesus, my life’s battlecry,
Striving to fool them in all that I try;
Feigning allegiance, duplicitously
Always the pathway of bullshit for me.

** Chorus:
O Jesus, Lord and Savior, I lie a lot for Thee,
For Thou, who needs my shilling, won’t mind the lies from me;
I own no other morals, except what helps Thy throne;
My lies I give, though deceptive, O Christ you must condone.

2. Lying for Jesus, wherever I am,
Pulling each conjob for His holy Name;
Causing confusion, but righteously boss,
Perjurous trials are part of my cross.
**

3. Lying for Jesus through life’s little while,
An effective technique, the lies make me smile;
Scamming the targets I try to redeem,
Bringing the claptrap to make them love Him.
**

4. Lying for Jesus, a purpose-filled grace,
Those falsehoods are never a sin or disgrace;
Nothing constrains me to honesty’s call,
Follow my leading and tell lies to all!
**

RBH said:

I didn’t touch on one other reason it’s sad to watch this debacle. Freshwater was a genuinely enthusiastic and committed teacher who worked hard at it and who was very much liked and respected by his students. And he wasted all that in service of his bibliolatry. That’s close to tragic in the classical sense.

So he let the admiration of his students go to his head and make him think he could get away with anything, expecially when he got his religion involved in it.

I wonder how people who claim to be Christian would have felt if Freshwater had also been sexually abusing his students. Look at the Catholic priests who have done such things. I remember reading about when Freshwater was burning crosses on his students and I was disgusted by that. That alone should have gotten him fired, without any long hearings on the matter.

Call me gossip but whatever happened to the contents of the mysterious suitcase?

mario said:

Call me gossip but whatever happened to the contents of the mysterious suitcase?

See here and here. It was pretty much a fizzle: much to-do about not very much.

“He has received advanced training in scientific creationism through the Graduate School of the Institute for Creation Research…”

lol

That would be the same ICR “graduate” school that has been denied accreditation at least 3 times I’m aware of, in 2 different states (first CA, then TX).

These people are so pathetic.

Ryan Cunningham said: Worse, he [Freshwater] is ultimately going to pay for what is in reality an entire community’s mistakes.

At the same time, the public evisceration is necessary. In the end, scores of children were the victims of his hypocrisy. He got away with this for years by being dishonest.

I’m personally hoping for an equal heaping of opprobrium on him and his lawyer. I have no idea what when on behind closed doors between Hamilton and Freshwater, but my guess is that some of F’s bad conduct is a direct result of H’s legal advice. If his lawyer had told him “John, we can’t lie in court. Tell your side of the story truthfully, with passion, and let the court decide” right at the outset, I imagine both the civil case and the administrative case might’ve gone differently.

I also think this particular instance is a clear example of legal misconduct. Assume for the sake of argument that H is telling the truth about the flood, laptop, affidavits, etc… and that on March 17 2009 he “found” a copy of the bill. In that case it is Hamilton’s responsiblitiy to inform the court he found a copy. Its not Freshwater’s responsibility to do so. So even under the most charitable reading of the facts possible, Hamilton is guilty of legal incompetence or misconduct.

wgw said: Did I read that he didn’t pay as ordered and that he even tried to lien his farm as payment??

RBH said: Yup. And Hamilton hasn’t paid either. And according to a statement Freshwater made under oath in a deposition for the federal suit, he has already signed over his farm to Hamilton as security for Hamilton’s fees, so how he can offer it to satisfy the sanctions imposed by the federal court is beyond me.

IANAL, but my understanding is that court-ordered fines/sanctions/liens/etc. have a higher priority than what is essentially a contract-law lien. So if the court orders it, then the court gets the farm and Hamilton gets bupkis - and maybe has to pay out of his own pocket for his own sanctions.

Of course, Hamilton can then go after Freshwater for the money that the lien was supposed to cover.

MrG said:

I would think almost anyone with any sense would find this whole fiasco painfully tiresome by now: “ENOUGH already!”

It’s kind of like watching a car-crash, but also getting to watch the whole build up of the incident before the crash. Painfully fascinating. I think of it like following a really drunk guy from the bar, into his car, winding his way home. The only other people on the road are drunks, so I’m pretty sure there’s gonna be carnage. And I’m sure as hell keeping a safe distance!

As others have pointed out though, there are sober folks on the roads around Mount Vernon, and they’ve been hit.

It’s not so much like a conventional car crash though. It’s more like an amateur stunt driver (being egged on by some alleged pro ones) deliberately and repeatedly crashing his car, while variously claiming that: it’s his constitutional right to crash cars, he wasn’t the one driving, he was nowhere near the car at the time he was driving it, it’s not so much a car as a van or even a very tiny lorry despite its car-like appearance, no onlookers were harmed by the crash, the ones who were harmed don’t count and are making it all up, the crash investigators were the ones hiding the evidence of the crash, it’s not a crash because the vehicle was painted red and marked with a Jesus fish, not that he’s overtly religious or anything, ooh look - shiny car elsewhere.

John Freshwater and his lawyer (Liars for Jesus) have been outed by the Mount Vernon News online yesterday (7/8). I tried to copy the article but it just wouldn’t work. You can find the article by searching John Freshwater on Google News. I’m betting the Columbus Dispatch will pick up on this and do an article also, rendering Freshwater’s name mud throughout Central Ohio.

Mary M said:

John Freshwater and his lawyer (Liars for Jesus) have been outed by the Mount Vernon News online yesterday (7/8). I tried to copy the article but it just wouldn’t work. You can find the article by searching John Freshwater on Google News. I’m betting the Columbus Dispatch will pick up on this and do an article also, rendering Freshwater’s name mud throughout Central Ohio.

Here it is.

Thanks, Mike, for providing the link. RBH, you’ll get a chuckle out of the comments following the article. Sam Stickle of “Accountability in the Media” made the claim that attorney Mansfield has violated the gag order by releasing information in his request for sanctions. Stickle was quickly trounced by the next 5 posters for making an inaccurate claim. The gag order only covers any details of a settlement. It seems that people in Mount Vernon are onto Stickle’s game.

Freshwater may be digging his own grave but his friends and his attorney are giving him a lot of help.

Yup, Sam is grasping at straws as the ship sinks beneath the waves.

Mike Elzinga said:

Mary M said:

John Freshwater and his lawyer (Liars for Jesus) have been outed by the Mount Vernon News online yesterday (7/8). I tried to copy the article but it just wouldn’t work. You can find the article by searching John Freshwater on Google News. I’m betting the Columbus Dispatch will pick up on this and do an article also, rendering Freshwater’s name mud throughout Central Ohio.

Here it is.

Freshwater and Hamilton have not merely dug themselves a hole; they have dug themselves a black hole from which there is no escape. Golly. I can only surmise that they didn’t think it would go this far; that there would have been a settlement by now.

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