World ends tomorrow!

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I guess everyone knows it by now, but the world ends tomorrow. I anticipate a headline the day after tomorrow, “The world ended yesterday.”

Nevertheless, this human-interest article in the Times was disturbing. For example,

The three teenagers have been struggling to make sense of their shifting world, which started changing nearly two years ago when their mother, Abby Haddad Carson, left her job as a nurse to “sound the trumpet” on mission trips with her husband, Robert, handing out tracts. They stopped working on their house and saving for college. …

“My mom has told me directly that I’m not going to get into heaven,” Grace Haddad, 16, said. “At first it was really upsetting, but it’s what she honestly believes.”

And later,

But the children worry that there may not be enough money for college. They also have typical teenage angst – embarrassing parents – only amplified. “People look at my family and think I’m like that,” said Joseph, their 14-year-old, as his parents walked through the street fair on Ninth Avenue, giving out Bibles. “I keep my friends as far away from them as possible.”

“I don’t really have any motivation to try to figure out what I want to do anymore,” he said, “because my main support line, my parents, don’t care.”

His mother said she accepted that believers “lose friends and you lose family members in the process.”

“I have mixed feelings,” Ms. Haddad Carson said. “I’m very excited about the Lord’s return, but I’m fearful that my children might get left behind. But you have to accept God’s will.”

Fortunately, the children have more sense than the parents:

The children, however, have found something to giggle over. “She’ll say, ‘You need to clean up your room,’ “ Grace said. “And I’ll say, ‘Mom, it doesn’t matter, if the world’s going to end!’ “

Think about those children if you think that extremist religious beliefs are harmless.

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In South Africa there is also a nut case who preaches that the world will end tomorrow. What will the poor bugger say when he wakes op on Sunday morning and all is well? As I recall, the man who founded the Seventh Day Adventist Church discovered inescapable evidence in the Bible that the world was going to end on a certain date. That date came and, embarrassingly, went. Then he popped up with an explanation: it was because Christians attended church on Sundays instead of Saturdays as they were instructed in the Bible. Well, that must have come as huge relief to his followers: the probability that they will ever persuade all the Christians in the world to change their weekly day of devotions is so dim that they can confidently borrow money on their houses and buy cars and take out life insurance.

I’m amused and annoyed with these latter day soothsayers. Those I’ve seen “warning” unlucky souls like yours truly in New York City, I have observed quite simply that I am looking forward to meeting with my “saviour”, the Bringer of Light himself, Lucifer.

I believe Sunday the 22nd, is International Egg on your Face day and also, Sorry I was being an idiot day.

So long, and thanks for all the fish.

Well, come late on Saturday the Pandas from DownUnda will have to post here to let us know if they’re still around.

mrg said:

Well, come late on Saturday the Pandas from DownUnda will have to post here to let us know if they’re still around.

Actually, the time is 4-6 Eastern time zone when everything goes down.…because God has an East Coast Bias…and since this is based on America, I hope all these people realize that the correct answer is “Mormon”…We were looking for “Mormon”.

I learned last night that there are a large number of people in the Los Angeles area going around collecting clothes to set out at various places such as park benches, cars, elevators, etc. Pretty funny.

It’s a great excuse for a party, however.

Don Luigi said: In South Africa there is also a nut case who preaches that the world will end tomorrow. What will the poor bugger say when he wakes op on Sunday morning and all is well?

What will he say? What all the other such preachers say. Some variation of this:

1 I was wrong/the Lord saw fit to postpone armageddon.

2 The new date is…

3 Please keep those generous donations flowing.

Actually, the time is 4-6 Eastern time zone when everything goes down.

I don’t know what your source is for that (you don’t cite any). I have been it will be 6 PM in each time zone

…”starting in the Pacific Rim at around the 6 p.m. local time hour, in each time zone, there will be a great earthquake, such as has never been in the history of the Earth,” he says…

Gosh, I don’t suppose the child protection people can intervene in a case like that, can they? I mean, it seems like you could make a case for reckless neglect, or something; have the courts freeze the college account so the parents can’t blow it on mission-tripping, etc. Seems like the kids are the ones acting like adults in that family.

Ntrsvic said: Actually, the time is 4-6 Eastern time zone when everything goes down.…because God has an East Coast Bias.

Actually, I think this loon has said that the earthquake will ripple around the world so that it happens at 6pm local time in every time zone. So, first on the chopping block is the pacific island nation of Kiribati, and the east coast of the U.S. will be one of the last places hit.

Which means that when this buffoon waits for his clock to tick 6pm, he will have already been wrong for about 19 hours.

God’s real trick is going to be Hawaii. It actually lies north (not east) of Kiribati because our time zones are not straight north-south sections. So an earthquake traveling east-west around the earth will always hit Hawaii a day earlier than Kiribati. There is no way to finagle it so that both get hit at 6pm on the same calendar day: 6pm May 21st Kiribati time is the same time as 6 pm May 20th Hawaii time.

Hear that Hawaii? You have just over 9 hours.

Yes, the world is coming to an end, again. And again. And again. The rapture industry is here to stay.

My humble prediction is that Harold Camping’s followers will have a very brief crisis of faith on Sunday morning. Two minutes later, they’ll just listen to the radio and wait for the guru to calculate another date. At no point will they feel silly or consider growing up and getting a life. This is a known bug of the human mind, unfortunately.

Oh, you people. You’d think the Y2K calamity had never happened. How soon we forget!

I keep wondering if Camping, who is 89, will die tomorrow.…of purely natural causes, of course.

–W. H. Heydt

Old Used Programmer

Did Harold Camping promise each male 72 virgins upon their arrival in heaven? Nothing, of course, for the females. But if this comes to naught, can people get a refund for the money they’ve given to the “cause?”

DavidK said:

Did Harold Camping promise each male 72 virgins upon their arrival in heaven? Nothing, of course, for the females.

The women get 1.39% of a man’s attention instead of 100%. I’m sure many of them consider that an improvement.

eric said:

DavidK said:

Did Harold Camping promise each male 72 virgins upon their arrival in heaven? Nothing, of course, for the females.

The women get 1.39% of a man’s attention instead of 100%. I’m sure many of them consider that an improvement.

Unless it’s a pool of 72 virgins.

Oh wait; that must be Hell.

Eamon Knight said:

Gosh, I don’t suppose the child protection people can intervene in a case like that, can they? I mean, it seems like you could make a case for reckless neglect, or something; have the courts freeze the college account so the parents can’t blow it on mission-tripping, etc.

For better or worse, no, US courts can’t intervene in cases like this whatsoever. “Neglect” is denying the children the necessities, like food, housing, medicine, and K-12. Indeed, by the time the children are old enough for college, they are more or less adults in law.

I mean, the ridiculous crap that usually passes for homeschool education is usually legal–you expect college to be a right?

I knew a real real smart friend in high school whose parents would not reveal income information (on principle, only), so he could nor receive Ivy League financial aid, but he did get a 100% scholarship to a very good school anyway. And I’ve known people whose parents quit paying for their college over some trivial matter. Sometimes with happy endings, sometimes not. And all legal.

The only times courts would intervene in cases like this are when it seems money is being mismanaged. If, for example, the child is the beneficiary of a trust fund that comes with sort-of-clear rules as to what’s being paid for. Or in the case of divorce where one parent is very unhappy with what the other parent is doing.

DavidK said:

Did Harold Camping promise each male 72 virgins upon their arrival in heaven?

Ladies, make sure you aren’t a virgin by tomorrow. You wouldn’t want to be stuck sharing one of those religious nuts with 71 others for the rest of eternity now, would you.

rossum

So will Buffy tVS save the world from yet another apocalypse over the weekend? (She did that once a year, twice in some years, during the time for which we have documentation.)

Of course, this is far from the first time that some group of True Believers has predicted the end of the world. And what’s fascinating is, their convictions are unaffected by the total failure of their predictions. They find some reason for the non-event plausible enough to buy into, and they carry on with their god-required duties. Usually they move the date up, according to some re-interpretation of scripture, or some other verses.

My favorite was the time when the group woke up, looked around, saw that nothing happened, consulted their bibles, and concluded that their own efforts in spreading the word had impressed their god so much, that he changed his mind. They took credit for averting their own prediction.

For me, this is impressive chutzpah. But for them, it’s apparently life and death. They CAN’T be wrong, even when they are. So they aren’t.

You guys are insane because I thought to remember that god himself said he not even he knows when the world is going to end so why would you think that man the one who ****** up this world will know when it will end. But yes there is earth quakes crazy thin ever in 2011 but maybe the world is telling us something maybe gas oil is supposed to stay in the ground or Cars were never supposed to be invented but who am I to say those things So people who believe this madness should all go **** there selves. Good by and good luck waking up on Sunday to go to church.

where’s the proof

john said:

where’s the proof

Camping used Dembski’s equations. They’re useful for proving anything and everything, no evidence required.

Four hours to go, Kiribati! Good thing the Christian missionaries converted you. Don’t worry about leaving your clothes behind - the Rapture lifts Adam and Eve’s “Curse of the Magic Fruit”, so you won’t know you’re naked.

Oh man, wouldn’t it be great! All the holier than thou types will be gone and I can finally have some peace. Reason and logic will prevail. I will be able to get around town on Sunday without the usual traffic delays.

There is a downside though, no more fun with the Mormons and Jehovahs at the front door!

Tomorrow is my wife’s birthday, so thanks to the loonies for the big party. We’re celebrating by watching an Expelled-type mess known as “The Triumph of Design and the Demise of Darwin”, put out in 2009 and featuring Phillip Johnson talking about ID, evolution, and, um, oh right, GOD. God, God, God. God everywhere, God in every argument, Goddity God, God, God.

Now tell us again Phillip how ID is not religion? If we survive tomorrow, that is.

There’s a money angle to just about everything unfortunately.

The largely negative and acid comments here on religion show what harm fanatics (or plain idiots?) like Camping can do. It is true that religion, or rather a twisted version of religion, can make people do terrible things, like Roman Catholics and Protestants lovingly burning each other at the stake. However, one should not lose sight of the marvellous, inspiring actions of some deeply and truly religious people. Go read Corrie ten Boom’s “The Hiding Place” if you want to see what I mean.

Don Luigi said: The largely negative and acid comments here on religion …

… are actually rather normal around here, at least for a faction among the Pandas. Not my fight though.

Don Luigi said:

…one should not lose sight of the marvellous, inspiring actions of some deeply and truly religious people.

The problem is that there are almost always equally marvellous inspirations for good works available that don’t come with the unique potential religion has for inspiring the worst of atrocities. Why invite a mass murderer to babysit your kids when there are saner options available? Sure, he MIGHT do good, but then again…

But tomorrow was three days ago and the world is still out there…

Dale Husband said:

JG said:

So sad that people out there don’t know what the Bible says. What God says. For one thing the world does not end. When Jesus comes back after the 7 year tribulation children of God, those who believe and accepted His Son Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior has eternal life & will reign 1000 years on earth. So sad that people only believe what they want to believe. What ever happen to finding the truth instead of listening to what others say or assuming you know it all. There is a heaven and a hell and hell is eternal suffering. But life will live on and heaven is the one I choose. The world is not ending but Jesus could come back any time. If you haven’t accepted Jesus as your Lord and Savior today is the day of salvation. Tomorrow may never come. No one knows when their last day is on earth. But asking Jesus in your heart and trusting in Him guarantees life forever.

When was Jesus supposed to return? If you actually read every reference to that issue in the New Testament, you may see that the early Christians fully expected Jesus to return and start God’s kingdom on Earth while at least some members of the generation that saw him alive still lived themselves.

Jesus is generally thought to have died about 30-35 AD. Let’s assume that you were born shortly before that time. The maximum life span of a human is about 120 years. 120+35=155. So if Jesus had not returned by about 155 AD.…..he never would, because his claims about the issue were falsified by that time.

Jesus did return. He destroyed the Temple, Jerusalem and Israel just as He promised in 70 AD. Josephus’ record showed that the Jews knew the Roman army was Jesus’ coming in judgment on the Apostate nation.

However, one should not lose sight of the marvellous, inspiring actions of some deeply and truly religious people. Go read Corrie ten Boom’s “The Hiding Place” if you want to see what I mean.

Please excuse me, but I have read a lot of Holocaust books, and I could find nothing believable in that book. If I remember it correctly, ten Boom would have us believe that she sheltered a very significant number of Jews in plain sight; when she was finally caught and sent to a concentration camp, the people there had a marvelous time praying together until the end of the war. I have no doubt that the bones of the story are true, but overall I thought the book was slow, boring, sappy, and worst of all self-serving. Ten Boom was too good to be true. In my book group, the book has been the butt of jokes for perhaps 20 years.

The news is reporting that there are people contemplating a class action lawsuit against Harold Camping.

These are people who were “induced” to quit jobs and sell everything.

So, if the end of the world is about to come, what is the purpose of quitting a job?

What do you do with the money you obtain by selling everything?

One has to wonder if such people could pull off a class action suit; but Camping certainly has money to spread around.

Henry burbled

Jesus did return. He destroyed the Temple, Jerusalem and Israel just as He promised in 70 AD. Josephus’ record showed that the Jews knew the Roman army was Jesus’ coming in judgment on the Apostate nation.

Dear me, Henry, what cobblers. Jerusalem was partly destroyed, with the second (Herodian) temple, by the fifth, eighth, tenth and twelfth legions under Titus in the year 70 CE. Jesus was not present and not even the Christian redactors who tampered with Josephus’s text say he was.

And if that was Jesus’s judgement on the Apostate nation - which is, of course, utter nonsense, because Jesus would almost certainly have approved of that revolt, having tried to start one himself - how come Jesus hasn’t shown up to judge the current nation, which is exactly what the Jews of 70 CE were trying to establish?

Do you really manage to believe the malarky you post? You must have been an apt pupil of the Red Queen.

henry said: Jesus did return. He destroyed the Temple, Jerusalem and Israel just as He promised in 70 AD. Josephus’ record showed that the Jews knew the Roman army was Jesus’ coming in judgment on the Apostate nation.

It is possible that the destruction of the Jewish Temple (by Titus), along with the eruption of Mt. Vesuvius (the same year Titus became Roman Emperor) was a fulfilment of the prophacies of Jesus. So how do you explain the assertions later by Christians that Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, made century after century after century after century after century after century after century after century after century after century after century after century after century after century? And it has NEVER HAPPENED!

So you lied, henry!

I’ll repeat my earlier point:

When was Jesus supposed to return? If you actually read every reference to that issue in the New Testament, you may see that the early Christians fully expected Jesus to return and start God’s kingdom on Earth while at least some members of the generation that saw him alive still lived themselves.

Jesus is generally thought to have died about 30-35 AD. Let’s assume that you were born shortly before that time. The maximum life span of a human is about 120 years. 120+35=155. So if Jesus had not returned by about 155 AD.…..he never would, because his claims about the issue were falsified by that time.

DEAL WITH THE FACTS!

UNTESTABLE HYPOTHESIS: If this were a pre-literate society, people in parts of the Midwest and South, would, in a generation or so, be telling campfire stories about how their whole world (their village) was destroyed by the “mighty winds from God”.

Give it 50 more generations, invent writing, and by then the tale would be about how God LITERALLY blew everyone and everything on the face of the world away many years ago (because they were WICKED), except for a few that were saved to repopulate the place.

Then several thousand years later, after most rational people had realized that the Worldwide Tornado story had no basis in evidence, and was mainly a campfire story to frighten people into obeying the priests, there would be literalists who would insist that the tornado scriptures were literally true.

And every few years some self-proclaimed prophet would discover that he could get lots of attention (and MONEY) from the faithful by declaring that God is ramping up to do it again, and this time go all the way. (But if you buy my Prophecy Video Series, you can go straight to Heaven and be spared being sucked inside out by the Tornado of the Apocalypse!)

Camping’s re-interpretation of the events (or lack thereof) of May 21st reminds me of an old joke:

Perhaps you’ve heard of the man who thought he was dead?

In reality he was very much alive. His delusion became such a problem that his family finally paid for him to see a psychiatrist. The psychiatrist spent many laborious sessions trying to convince the man he was still alive. Nothing seemed to work. Finally the doctor tried one last approach. He took out his medical books and proceeded to show the patient that dead men don’t bleed. After hours of tedious study, the patient seemed convinced that dead men don’t bleed.

“Do you now agree that dead men don’t bleed?” the doctor asked.

“Yes, I do,” the patient replied.

“Very well, then,” the doctor said. He took out a pin and pricked the patient’s finger. Out came a trickle of blood. The doctor asked, “What does that tell you?”

“Oh my goodness!” the patient exclaimed as he stared incredulously at his finger…

“Dead men do bleed!”

Sorry for stepping on the punch line of your joke, but I would expect:

“That’s not blood.”

Not funny, but closer to what we get from creationists, etc.

Or how about: “That is blood, but it was put there by the Devil to deceive us.”

Then again how about, “This is blood, but the clotting cascade could not have evolved.”

Karen S. said:

Then again how about, “This is blood, but the clotting cascade could not have evolved.”

A most “wise” assessment from the clotting “expert” himself, one Lehigh University biochemist, Mikey Behe. Instead the clotting cascade was “intelligently designed”.

Dale Husband said:

henry said: Jesus did return. He destroyed the Temple, Jerusalem and Israel just as He promised in 70 AD. Josephus’ record showed that the Jews knew the Roman army was Jesus’ coming in judgment on the Apostate nation.

It is possible that the destruction of the Jewish Temple (by Titus), along with the eruption of Mt. Vesuvius (the same year Titus became Roman Emperor) was a fulfilment of the prophacies of Jesus. So how do you explain the assertions later by Christians that Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, Jesus was going to return, made century after century after century after century after century after century after century after century after century after century after century after century after century after century? And it has NEVER HAPPENED!

So you lied, henry!

I’ll repeat my earlier point:

When was Jesus supposed to return? If you actually read every reference to that issue in the New Testament, you may see that the early Christians fully expected Jesus to return and start God’s kingdom on Earth while at least some members of the generation that saw him alive still lived themselves.

Jesus is generally thought to have died about 30-35 AD. Let’s assume that you were born shortly before that time. The maximum life span of a human is about 120 years. 120+35=155. So if Jesus had not returned by about 155 AD.…..he never would, because his claims about the issue were falsified by that time.

DEAL WITH THE FACTS!

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You’ve already stated that the New Testament believers were expecting Jesus to return in their generation. He did. The expectation that He would return in subsequent generations is taking the Bible out of context.

Dale Husband said:

DEAL WITH THE FACTS!

With henry, you might as well demand the Moon in a dixie cup, or 6 other impossible things before breakfast.

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