Help TalkOrigins Bid for “Expelled”

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As most of you already know, the production company Premise Media went bankrupt. Their execrable propaganda film, “Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed”, is on the auction block. The online auction is proceeding now, and will end on Tuesday, June 28th.

The auction promises that besides all available rights and interests in the finished film itself (there is an existing distribution contract), the winner will get all the production materials and rights to them. Want to know what was in the rest of the interviews with Richard Dawkins and PZ Myers? I know I would like to have that material archived and made available to the public, among other things that Premise Media found inconvenient to include in their film.

There was talk among individuals on “After the Bar Closes” about the auction. Kristine Harley pointed out that, depending on exactly what is in the production materials, there may well be “Wedge Document 2” in there somewhere. When the “academic freedom” label on religious antievolution goes to court, it could be very handy to have those materials on hand.

But any one individual is unlikely to have the wherewithal to make the winning bid on this.

Today, the TalkOrigins Archive Foundation approved a resolution to use our funds on hand to put in a bid on “Expelled”. We hope to make many of the materials freely available and to collaborate with other groups seeking to produce rebuttals to claims made in “Expelled”. To that end, we would like your help. Our final bid amount will be determined by funds on hand and what has come in via our PayPal donation button by Monday, June 27th. This is because there are delays in transfers between PayPal and the bank, and (hopefully!) we’ll need to pay out of our bank account.

Ken Fair, our secretary and treasurer, wrote a detailed discussion of donations and bidding. The short of it is that while we hope to bid and win the auction, we don’t know what the bid prices will be come the 28th, and cannot guarantee that we will win the auction, especially since it has an unknown reserve price on it. We cannot refund donations, so even in the case of us making the winning bid, donations that take us beyond that amount would remain part of the TOAF funding. On the other hand, contributions to the TOAF are tax-deductible for USA residents and will be used in accordance with the TOAF’s mission.

I hope that by providing a single point at which we can pool our resources, we’ll have a better chance to put in the winning bid on “Expelled”. Even if we don’t manage to make the winning bid, every bit that we can do to raise our bid helps in that the other side will have to take even more money out of their current projects in order to beat the bid.

Update: Professor Richard Dawkins has chipped in to help the TalkOrigins Archive Foundation “Win Ben Stein’s Movie”. If you haven’t taken a moment to visit the Foundation’s donation page and chip in your own stake, remember that our bid amount tomorrow (Tuesday) will be based on what can be cleared through the system into our bank account today (Monday).

124 Comments

i don’t know anything about how films get bought etc. Yet anything to bring more publicity to this little film is a good thing. so anyone buying it and seeking out its creation can only add to its already notable success. Still it shouldn’t be movies but it should be the educational system that teaches about origin issues from all sides.

30 dollars donated. Let’s hope the sleazeballs haven’t already destroyed the evidence.

Definitely, Byers. In ten years time, this little film will be right up there with “Plan 9 from Outer Space” or “Attack of the Killer Tomatoes”. People will be making sound tracks up for it, splicing in extra footage, looping it, doing raps to it. It’ll be a cult classic!

Donated twenty bucks. I had thought of entering a very low bid for it myself, but this makes more sense.

Donated a few bucks. Uh, Byers. ….the film’s “notable success” contributed to Premis Media’s bankruptcy. Do you read? I mean, do you read for comprehension? Just wondering. Good luck to the TalkOrigins Archive Foundation on this great effort!

Byers of course is assuming that “any publicity is good publicity” for his side. This is an exception. A cut of Expelled with the science interviews restored to their actual context would be a good thing–a good thing for the truth.

dpr

I’m trying to spread the word in a couple of related forums.

The donation button seems to not be working.

Thx dude! I’ll give a little.

OK, you got my donation!

Byers, if Panda’s Thumb having bought Expelled would be a GOOD thing, because it would draw more attention to the film, then YOU will be helping to bring about that GOOD thing, right?

The button works, so you can start with your donation, then encourage other YECs to do likewise at your church, on the internet, etc. Surely that will help get your “origins” story into US schools.

Robert Byers said: Still it shouldn’t be movies but it should be the educational system that teaches about origin issues from all sides.

No, actually, the educational system should only teach about origin issues from the non-mythical side. Unless it’s a class about mythology, I suppose, and not a science class.

Just to be clear here, our donations will be returned or not taken if the bid loses, right?

Also, if the bid wins, I would like to suggest that a version of the film be made with subtitles or pop ups that explain the fallacies and lies in real time.

revtim said:

Just to be clear here, our donations will be returned or not taken if the bid loses, right?

Ah, no, they were quite explicit on that matter.

@revtim:

“Just to be clear here, our donations will be returned or not taken if the bid loses, right?”

No, actually, the donations will not, under any circumstances, be returned. To wit:

(4) As a practical matter, the Foundation will be unable to return any donations made to the donors, even if the Foundation is unsuccessful in bidding for Expelled, or the Foundation is successful and the amount donated is greater than the bid.

We are therefore simply asking potential donors to make contributions (which are tax-deductible in the United States) to the TalkOrigins Foundation. Although the Foundation would like to use those funds towards the purchase of Expelled, given the constraints facing the Foundation, THE FOUNDATION CANNOT MAKE ANY GUARANTEE OR PROMISE CONCERNING THE EXPENDITURE OF THE DONATED FUNDS. Funds not used to acquire Expelled will be used for other purposes consistent with the Foundation’s non-profit purposes. Due to the time constraints, the Foundation can only attempt to bid with the funds it has on hand and those donated to its Paypal account as of Monday, June 27, 2011.

It’s highly unlikely that they will win the bidding, so if you’re donating money, be aware that you’re simply lining the pockets of these guys.

“Also, if the bid wins, I would like to suggest that a version of the film be made with subtitles or pop ups that explain the fallacies and lies in real time.”

And you could show it on VH1!

Thanks guys, don’t know how I missed that!

jinxmchue said: “Also, if the bid wins, I would like to suggest that a version of the film be made with subtitles or pop ups that explain the fallacies and lies in real time.”

And you could show it on VH1!

Yeah, and we can cut to b-list comedians making fun of it! Could be awesome…

revtim said: Yeah, and we can cut to b-list comedians making fun of it! Could be awesome…

Robots would be better. Expelled is definitely good MST3K material.

In with a few bucks.

It would be useful if Talkorigins Foundation could form a consortium with other groups in the Reality Based Communities.

For example, NSCE, and the various free thought groups, FFRF and so on.

The more the merrier.

I would think the so called moderate, or liberal xian groups would find this a worthy cause as well. We keep hearing that they exist, so where are they?

And of course, our friends the Accomodationists. Calling Mooney et al., where are you?

Since it is an online auction, is there a place where people can watch the bidding in real time. Should be, that is the whole point of online auctions.

It would be useful for PT and so on to keep people updated. Adds a little interest to have an ongoing contest with real money at stake.

In for $50. If the TAA doen’t win, at least the money will go to continuing one of the best resources in the fight against the dumbing down of America and the world.

Does anyone have a clue what this film is expected to cost? It’s a loser, so it can’t have much market value. It would be amazing if sold for very much, unless some creationist kept bidding to keep it out of “Darwinist” hands.

In for 100USD. I know, less than I spend on potato chips each year.

SensuousCurmudgeon said:

Does anyone have a clue what this film is expected to cost? It’s a loser, so it can’t have much market value. It would be amazing if sold for very much, unless some creationist kept bidding to keep it out of “Darwinist” hands.

I truly suspect That AiG, DI, or ICR is going to end up winning the auction. About the only chance to win it away is to assemble a coalition of science groups to make a unified bid. Otherwise, I can just see the billboards on I75 in Cincinnati now.

dpr

raven said:

Since it is an online auction, is there a place where people can watch the bidding in real time. Should be, that is the whole point of online auctions.

I think this is it: http://www.maxanet.com/cgi-bin/mnde[…].cgi?rosen2/ Click ‘Click here to VIEW or BID ITEMS BEING SOLD’ It’s only at $1,500.00 right now!

I dated $50, good luck guys!

I refer to talk.origins enough that even if the bid loses I’m happy to support it.

I’m also in for $50. I was going to send coffee to John Wilkins. He will have to keep drinking bilge water.

In for $25. Where the money winds up, I know it will be put to good use.

I would think the so called moderate, or liberal xian groups would find this a worthy cause as well. We keep hearing that they exist, so where are they?

I, a moderate, am here but I’ve been unemployed over a year.

Instead of requesting non-refundable contributions for something you may not get, you should instead set up a KickStarter project, set an appropriate goal based on an analysis of the value of the film and the expected bids of other potential/expected bidders, and then make your bid accordingly. That will give people a choice to donate unconditionally (using your existing process) or to pledge an amount that will be contributed if you win. If you don’t win, then the people who contribute via the kickstarter project won’t lose their money.

Asking for donations of an unspecified amount, without indicating how much has been donated so far, and without also clearly specifying what the funds will be used for in the event of a loss, is asking too much from some people, myself included.

I, a moderate, am here but I’ve been unemployed over a year.

Ouch!!! Sorry to hear that. You aren’t the only one.

My natal moderate Protestant church has 1/2 trillion dollars in assets. Too bad they never pay attention to what I want.

With what my parents have given them, a huge amount, they could easily buy Expelled and have money left over for the grand new opening party.

Unfortunately, the winning bid was *not* from the TOAF. Ken Fair has a detailed statement about the campaign that will be up a bit later.

How much did the efforts raise btw? I hopped TO would win, but I am glad that my donation will still be put to good use.

Oh well, the komputer klutz tried to make a donation, but I don’t think it was processed. I read that there was a glitch in the beginning, but it’s more fun to blame the klutz. Anyway, the 13th year NCSE member (not so subtle hint: join now!) will try again knowing that the donations will still go to a good cause.

Should have had Bill Gates chip in a million.

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