NCSE community training coming soon to a monitor near you.

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NCSE is ginning up to run webinar training sessions for folks interested in defending the teaching of honest science out in the field:

The National Center for Science Education will soon present monthly online training sessions that will show you how to defend science education in your schools and your community.

There’s a questionnaire at Survey Monkey to gauge interests. I’m not (yet) sure of the registration procedure, though the questionnaire solicits the relevant info and an expression of interest in attending/participating.

Some years ago I attended a meatspace workshop at NCSE in Oakland aimed at (more or less) the same objective, and it was well worth the time. I’ll be taking at least one of the webinars, too.

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Honest science!! Well at least they admit creationists do science. Its just not honest. “Defending science education” What they are ACTUALLY defending is conclusions in certain subjects dealing with origins in public institutions where the methodology invoked as used is called science. Creationism insists it is defending truth and methodology principals, science, as much as anyone and better. Defending science jazz is really a accusation against one opponents motivations. Origin contentions is a contact sport.

Hoping that this will be Byers’ one and only allowed comment on this thread, I still have to ask:

Booby, where did you get the absurd and delusional notion,

Robert Byers said:

Well at least they admit creationists do science. Its just not honest.

???

I missed the inference, let alone any direct statement, that even remotely suggests that real, professional scientists have admitted that creationism is science of any kind.

Robert Byers said: What they are ACTUALLY defending is conclusions in certain subjects dealing with origins in public institutions where the methodology invoked as used is called science.

OMG, you got a claim about 80% right. Personally I’d say that teaching the methodology is more or as important as teaching the conclusions, but yes indeedy Robert, you are correct, in science class they teach conclusions of science. Just as in history class they teach conclusions of history, in math class they teach conclusions of math, etc…

Creationism insists it is defending truth and methodology principals, science, as much as anyone and better.

You are free to develop your own creationism methodology. To use it in your privately funded labs. What you CANT do is misrepresent creationism as science. It isn’t the same methodology. There is no step in science where evidence is weighed against or interpreted through biblically revealed truth. If you do that at any step in the process, you aren’t doing science.

Robert Byers said:

Well at least they admit creationists do science. Its just not honest.

He may be wrong about them actually doing science, but at least he realizes that it isn’t honest science. It’s just lies and deceit all the way down. Good job bobby. You nailed those bastards to the wall!

Honest science!! Well at least they admit creationists do science. Its just not honest.

That’s right. Creationist science is not honest science. It’s pseudo science.

It turns out that you can make this stuff up.*

Glen Davidson

*”This stuff” being ID.

I love it. Yes, we have to limit Byers to one comment, because even with one comment he forces, just forces many people to respond to him and clutter up the thread.

Just DNFTT, that’s all.

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Byers exceeded hiis limit.

OT: Why is Timothy Sandefur allowed space to discuss ‘indoctrination’ and ‘freedom of speech rights’ and then end his piece by saying he allows no rebuttal, response, reply? I have no doubt he prefers a civilized one on one e-mail exchange, rather than an open, equal access format exchange, but I don’t. It’s bloody annoying to read his posts and then not be able to read what others think.

robert van bakel said:

OT: Why is Timothy Sandefur allowed space to discuss ‘indoctrination’ and ‘freedom of speech rights’ and then end his piece by saying he allows no rebuttal, response, reply? I have no doubt he prefers a civilized one on one e-mail exchange, rather than an open, equal access format exchange, but I don’t. It’s bloody annoying to read his posts and then not be able to read what others think.

We’ve been through this before. Not allowing comments pretty much violates the spirit of this blog.

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