Blogging Batholiths Part 2

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I’m back from field work, and have finally gotten enough time to get my photos web-ready after returning from Batholiths Onland. (see Blogging Batholiths: Part 1 for a summary of the 1st 8 days of the adventure, and a description of the scientific goals of the project; the part 1 photo essay is here.)

The updated photo tour includes reactions to the activist who tried to sabotage the project, finally getting some data, splendid photos from team members, and more. Part 2 starts off with a hike up to the gorgeous falls in Hagensborg, BC, and can be found here.

Comments may be left here or there, but nowhere in between.

Update: a piece about the failed attempt to sabotage the project, “Eco-warrior trashes seismic experiment” by Rex Dalton, appears in the 23 July 2009 issue of Nature.

Update, Aug. 5th, 2009: Forest fires have come to the region. More below the fold.

A friend in Hagensborg writes to say that

With all the dry weather we are now battling three large mountain fires and many small ones. Lots of smoke and panicked people but we haven’t lost any houses yet, though many have been evacuated.

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And this urgent report (image #16 and others) from Trish Sissons describes the serious situation in more detail:

There’s a town on the central coast of British Columbia called Bella Coola, B.C. that could probably use a little attention right now. There’s only one road into the valley, Highway 20, and it has been closed at Tatla Lake, Alexis Creek and at the very top of Heckman pass making it so that no one in the valley can get in or out, and no food supplies can get in by road. The cause of the closures is the forest fires that were spurred recently in a huge lightening storm in pine beetle tree kill area. What was once a group of small forest fires, merged into a bunch of very large ones. Also, inside the valley there are two forest fires raging on the mountains very close to homes. A majority of the town is on evacuation alert. However, there is talk of also shutting down the ferry route due to the fires, and flights in and out of Bella Coola run on a scheduled service by Pacific Coastal out of Vancouver, and seats cost about $350 each way. The valley is receiving no outside help, not getting groceries and is on evacuation alert with nowhere to evacuate to. I thought this might deserve some coverage, as there are a lot of people with homes in danger who aren’t in Bella Coola right now, and probably have no clue what is going on. (Submitted by Trish Sissons)

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13 Comments

Thanks for sharing your adventures on the Batholiths.

Recently, the History Channel has been airing (cabling?) the “How the Earth was Made” series. http://www.history.com/content/how-[…]rth-was-made Which, in my opinion as a near complete ignoramus on things geological, is quite good. Beats the heck out of MonsterQuest, Ice Road Truckers, and the Nostradamus drivel.

-DU-

David Utidjian said:

Thanks for sharing your adventures on the Batholiths.

Recently, the History Channel has been airing (cabling?) the “How the Earth was Made” series. http://www.history.com/content/how-[…]rth-was-made Which, in my opinion as a near complete ignoramus on things geological, is quite good. Beats the heck out of MonsterQuest, Ice Road Truckers, and the Nostradamus drivel.

-DU-

Thanks, David. There was also a pretty good show on “The Rockies” that appeared a few weeks ago on the National Geographic “Naked Science” series. For me, a plus for this program was that it featured several geologists I know and work with from the University of New Mexico; however, it made no mention of the post-Cretaceous Canadian granite batholiths, and implied that most of the Rockies’ granite is on the American side of the border.

Now, if they would just make a whole episode about the Coast Mountains!

Cheers, Dave

Snelling posted this over at the Answers in Genesis website: http://www.answersingenesis.org/art[…]neous-bodies

Dan Phelps said:

Snelling posted this over at the Answers in Genesis website: http://www.answersingenesis.org/art[…]neous-bodies

Ugh! That is just horrible!

They want to release the heat in magma in a period of time consistent with a 6000 year old earth.

Don’t these guys ever think? If that occurred, such a rapid heat loss would have cooked every living thing on the planet and would have ablated the Earth’s atmosphere.

Mike Elzinga said:

Don’t these guys ever think?

No.

Mike Elzinga said:

Dan Phelps said:

Snelling posted this over at the Answers in Genesis website: http://www.answersingenesis.org/art[…]neous-bodies

Ugh! That is just horrible!

They want to release the heat in magma in a period of time consistent with a 6000 year old earth.

Don’t these guys ever think? If that occurred, such a rapid heat loss would have cooked every living thing on the planet and would have ablated the Earth’s atmosphere.

They have been thinking! Creationists have a name for this: “the heat problem.”

DeYoung says that the heat problem is taken seriously, but it is not seen as an insurmountable problem. …

Source

Humphreys recognizes this “heat problem” but is currently unable to provide a solution. …

Source

Cheers, Dave

Mike Elzinga said: They want to release the heat in magma in a period of time consistent with a 6000 year old earth.

Don’t these guys ever think?

Its even wronger than you think. YECers must also assume Uranium and Thorium half-lives were ~6 orders of magnitude shorter (to make 6K-old ore look billions of years old). So the radiative contribution to geological heating would be much higher in their model. They don’t just need to get rid of the expected heat faster, they also have more heat to get rid of.

Has someone suggested in a very serious tone that perhaps God just removed the heat?

Dave Thomas Wrote:

They have been thinking! Creationists have a name for this: “the heat problem.”

eric Wrote:

Its even wronger than you think. YECers must also assume Uranium and Thorium half-lives were ~6 orders of magnitude shorter (to make 6K-old ore look billions of years old). So the radiative contribution to geological heating would be much higher in their model. They don’t just need to get rid of the expected heat faster, they also have more heat to get rid of.

Spinning and contorting and marketing would probably be a better description.

What continues to amaze me since I started watching this process back in the 1970s is that despite the fact that these guys have had these egregious errors pointed out to them repeatedly, they keep repeating the same mistakes over and over. Everything from distortions of entropy to bending radioactive decay to speeding up cooling to hideous contortions of the fossil record continues to be repeated by them.

That behavior convinced me very early on that these people are not being honest, and what is more, they know they are not being honest. It has always been dogma first, bend the science to fit, and then use politics and marketing tactics to ram the dogma down the throats of others.

Now here it is again; Andrew A. Snelling “PhD” posting on August 5, 2009 something from Proceedings of the Forth International on Creationism,1998 . What does that tell us? It is the repeated lie; repeated until it becomes true in the minds of rubes. This is Ken Ham’s organization. Everyone in this organization is completely aware of the fact that they are lying. Ken Ham knows he is lying. He keeps his thumb on the people in his organization to make sure they continue to lie.

Wheels said:

Has someone suggested in a very serious tone that perhaps God just removed the heat?

Or could it be.…Satan? [/churchlady]

eric said:

Wheels said:

Has someone suggested in a very serious tone that perhaps God just removed the heat?

Or could it be.…Satan? [/churchlady]

No, no, Satan puts the heat into things…

Wait, no, I’ve got it. Where do you think the heat in hell comes from? It’s obvious. Now we know. Problem solved.

Where’s my Nobel?

Dave Luckett said:

No, no, Satan puts the heat into things…

Wait, no, I’ve got it. Where do you think the heat in hell comes from? It’s obvious. Now we know. Problem solved.

Where’s my Nobel?

:-)

If you Google “heaven is hotter than hell”, you can cherry-pick a refutation that could put your Nobel on hold until “further research” resolves the “question”.

We have a day that will long remembered in the annals of science history, when the poster Wheels posited the mechanism of Intelligent Thermodynamics. We were all lost looking for Morton’s Demon when really it was just God.

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